Israel attacks gaza strip

[EiNsTeiN]

Well then Wikipedia is lying..about what their goals are..here is a quote.



Love

Dallas

For that reason I said:

....And nothing "officially" more..

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Of course to be 'objective', the Hamas charter explicitly calls for a Palestnian state on the entire area of the state of Israel, the Hamas charter also explicitly calls for the obliteration of Israel.
do this very short search and read the charter on line.

Well, I'm talking about official deals....If we are going to take it from that percpective, then Israel for sure dont want the existance of Hamas as well!!

 

[Caladan]

Well, I'm talking about official deals....If we are going to take it from that percpective, then Israel for sure dont want the existance of Hamas as well!!

The majority of the Israeli public and decision makers have been supporting the two states solution, while the Hamas calls for the obliteration of Israel.
Israel supports the creation of Palestinian state, and naturally opposes those who call for its destruction, and those who act in accordance with this destructive rhetoric.

 

[DallasApple]

Why dont they just go halves?? Ya know?? Here is your half here is ours..I think they both have all have a "right" to be there.Stop threatening each other..stop wanting more.

And I dont care what Hama's says "officially"..You dont go around trying to say "officailly this" and then "unnoficially" saying what your real plan is..No one will trust you..They will think your "official" goal is to ultimately obtain your "unnoficial goal" and your official goal is to get you closer to that.

Its like playing chess.

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Why dont they just go halves?? Ya know?? Here is your half here is ours..I think they both have all have a "right" to be there.Stop threatening each other..stop wanting more.

And I dont care what Hama's says "officially"..You dont go around trying to say "officailly this" and then "unnoficially" saying what your real plan is..No one will trust you..They will think your "official" goal is to ultimately obtain your "unoficial goal".

Its like playing chess.

Love

Dallas

Well, I agree with what you just said...

Both play the same game, the official speechs, and the totally opposite non official speechs..

I personally do support the "sharing the land" option....Though, both should carry positive intentions to each other, and both should simultaneously committ to the terms of the agreement to be made..

 

[DallasApple]

Well, I agree with what you just said...

Both play the same game, the official speechs, and the totally opposite non official speechs..

I personally do support the "sharing the land" option....Though, both should carry positive intentions to each other, and both should simultaneously committ to the terms of the agreement to be made..

I agree one thousand percent..We are all just people..and I think we should all just want each other to live in peace and raise our kids ..

My infant child is no different than your infant child..We are all born naked wet and stupid! (oh and precious)

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I agree one thousand percent..We are all just people..and I think we should all just want each other to live in peace and raise our kids ..

My infant child is no different than your infant child..We are all born naked wet and stupid! (oh and precious)

Love

Dallas

I will be honest with you...I'm personally confused about who is right and who is wrong..(Though I have to mention I'm more biased to the Palestenian party as an arab and muslim fellow)..

While solving a mathematical problem for instance, once I reach a blocked end, I restart again...I believe thats what should be done in the moment...

 

[DallasApple]

I will be honest with you...I'm personally confused regarding who is right and who is wrong..(Though I have to mention I'm more biased to the Palestenian party as an arab and muslim fellow)..

While solving a mathematical problem for instance, once I reach a blocked end, I restart again...I believe thats what should be done in the moment...

I like honesty..and I agree with you..I think both are right and both are wrong.

I'm not realy all that good at math..But I've NEVER been able to untangle a slinky once it gets all tangled up and bent..Even when I think I've "fixed it" it doesnt slink right anymore..

So you get a fresh new slinky..and take better care of it..

Love

Dallas

 

[sindbad5]

Lava Kurdish are not Turks, Kurds want their own homeland, Kurdistan conquered by Ottoman, then Attaturk, Turkey will not give them one,PKK is a recognised terrorist organisation by USA, EU,and NATO,

Kurdish and palestinians problem are totally different, how?

• turks didn't go to kurds, kicked them out of their homes and replaced them with migrants from all over the world <--> Israel did this for Palestinians
• some kurds (i'm not sure they are the majority or minority of them) fight for political recognation and to establish an independent state <--> palestininans fight to end their sufferings what ever this solution is;
  • some call for one state 2 nations, israel refuses
  • some call for 2 states, israel not only refused for tenth of years, but make it practically impossible by settlements and the wall (look at the maps)
  • some call for returning the refugees to their homes, israel says no, and brings other people from thousands of kilometers away to live on those refugees homes.
  • some call for destruction of israel (like ahmadi najad of iran), israel also refuses this solution

turky want somehting, PKK want something
palestininas want something,,, everybody want something except israel, what exactly israel want Kai?
and please don't say to me to stop rockets, say another answer please.

Hamas kill Fatah!

correction, fateh made a co-operation with israel and america, by thise cooperation, fateh got weapons in order to KILL elected party called hamas, but they were pretty idiots at that job.

Hamas walk free anywhare if they put down gun.

gun? what gun?
i don't see F16 fighters or M1A1 tanks have the flag of hamas on it
it's a propaganda Kai, zionists try to portrait what's happeneing in Gaza right now as a war between 2 sides, in fact it's massacre.

israel is the occupeir in control, the strong side, the one who suppose to have sense of responsability, but israel proved in a way that leave no doubt it's just a military power that have no morality enaugh to prevent it from commiting genocides, i'm sure holocust on its menu.

the funny thing is israel thinks she's fooling the world, in fact anybody knows the mideast and read about the problem know's exactly what's happeining.

 

[kai]

Kurdish and palestinians problem are totally different, how?

• turks didn't go to kurds, kicked them out of their homes and replaced them with migrants from all over the world <--> Israel did this for Palestinians
• some kurds (i'm not sure they are the majority or minority of them) fight for political recognation and to establish an independent state <--> palestininans fight to end their sufferings what ever this solution is;
  • some call for one state 2 nations, israel refuses
  • some call for 2 states, israel not only refused for tenth of years, but make it practically impossible by settlements and the wall (look at the maps)
  • some call for returning the refugees to their homes, israel says no, and brings other people from thousands of kilometers away to live on those refugees homes.
  • some call for destruction of israel (like ahmadi najad of iran), israel also refuses this solution

turky want somehting, PKK want something
palestininas want something,,, everybody want something except israel, what exactly israel want Kai?
and please don't say to me to stop rockets, say another answer please.

two party state, and an end to violence i am sure that Palestinians want that to, unfortunately they will have to wait untill a leader comes that wants peace more than martyrdom


and here about Kurds
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/international-politics/74687-just-who-kurds.html

correction, fateh made a co-operation with israel and america, by thise cooperation, fateh got weapons in order to KILL elected party called hamas, but they were pretty idiots at that job.


gun? what gun?
i don't see F16 fighters or M1A1 tanks have the flag of hamas on it
it's a propaganda Kai, zionists try to portrait what's happeneing in Gaza right now as a war between 2 sides, in fact it's massacre.
Hamas have plenty of guns, they are a paramilitary organisation sworn to destroy Israel. Martyrdomm is what they seek and its what they are getting, unfortunately for non Hammas they are getting it too
israel is the occupeir in control, the strong side, the one who suppose to have sense of responsability, but israel proved in a way that leave no doubt it's just a military power that have no morality enaugh to prevent it from commiting genocides, i'm sure holocust on its menu.Iam sure thats the Arab point of view, the evidence seems to point otherwise

the funny thing is israel thinks she's fooling the world, in fact anybody knows the mideast and read about the problem know's exactly what's happeining.

Peace! my friend why do no Muslims ever call for peace ? only accusations, the ummah is huge why cant they put all their vast resources into a peaceful solution, i tell you why because in my opinion the single most important ideal to the vast majority of Arabs /muslims is the destruction of Israel not a Palestinian state

 

[England my lionheart]

Of course to be 'objective', the Hamas charter explicitly calls for a Palestnian state on the entire area of the state of Israel, the Hamas charter also explicitly calls for the obliteration of Israel.
do this very short search and read the charter on line.

I agree,this is about the obliteration of Israel and thats what Iran want aswell

 

[England my lionheart]

And i agree that Muslims never call for peace they just accuse(blindly most of the time)and never come up with a peaceful solution but plenty of rhetoric.

 

[darkendless]

Wow so Israel looks like the bad guy, oh the Palestinians. I think Israel has done well to keep the civilian casualty count down. A sad fact though, is if they leave "civilian teenage boys" alone, how many of them will be the next wave of suicide bombers and murders of Jews???
There is no end.

 

[sindbad5]

i tell you why because in my opinion the single most important ideal to the vast majority of Arabs /muslims is the destruction of Israel not a Palestinian state

your talks is based on assumptions, my talk is based on what's already going on right now.
you ASSUME that palestinians wake every day and the idea of "how to destruct israel" is going on on his head, you say that

and i say Israel ACTUALLY destroyed Palestine, killed hundreds of thousands, and made millions live in refugee camps for tenth of years.

now, we are judjing on palestinians because they bear an idea
and leave out israel who doing ?

now the question is:
which's first, Palestinians hating Zionists? or zionists actings (+ hating ofcourse) against palestinians ?

 

[Caladan]

killed hundreds of thousands

At what point do you draw the line at the absurdity of propaganda?

Casualty figures for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from B'Tselem for the period from 09.12.1987 to 29.9.2000
Palestinians: 1549 (304)
Israelis: 421 (18)

Its fascinating that when the Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash the autonomy of Palestinian organizations and restore his monarchy's rule over the country, the violence resulted in the death of tens of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian. this death toll of Palestinians killed by fellow Muslim Arabs nullifies the death toll of a long Israeli-Palestinian armed conflict. where does that fit in your concern for the well being of Palestinians?

 

[sindbad5]

And i agree that Muslims never call for peace they just accuse(blindly most of the time)and never come up with a peaceful solution but plenty of rhetoric.

lionheart, about what you talking ? muslims and your perception about them or israel bombing gaza?

another thing; i say israel or zinosts when i want to address the state of israel, or the driving power behinde it, i never say jews despite 90% of jews are zionists.

i also say america or west when i address america or west, i never say christians

so, it'll be better to show some respect and to stop generalizing and saying things like "Muslims never call for peace" or "muslims ... never come up with a peaceful solution" or "muslims ... plenty of rhetoric"

 

[sindbad5]

Wow so Israel looks like the bad guy,

suprise

oh the Palestinians. I think Israel has done well to keep the civilian casualty count down.

what? that make you sad? blame Israel

A sad fact though, is if they leave "civilian teenage boys" alone,

you're not that smart, right?
understand, if they take out all boys and girls, how come they enjoy their time in the future?
more over, unemployment could destroy israel, due to no work for the soldiers, oh ,,, wait, now i understand why palestininas enforce zionists to kill them, oh those palestinians, they are smart.

 

[Caladan]

unemployment could destroy israel, due to no work for the soldiers

:no:
Service in the IDF is mandatory.

 

[Breathe]

Sindbad,

How do you propose Israel and Palestine create peace?

 

[.lava]

Peace! my friend why do no Muslims ever call for peace ? only accusations, the ummah is huge why cant they put all their vast resources into a peaceful solution, i tell you why because in my opinion the single most important ideal to the vast majority of Arabs /muslims is the destruction of Israel not a Palestinian state

since pkk want to go back to some maps drown centuries ago, not pkk and Hamas but pkk and Israel are alike.

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