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Israel attacks gaza strip
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kai
ragamuffin
none at all !
unless they are also willing to compromise. What compromise would you be willing to see if Hamas was willing to give up this commitment. i meant compromise not capitulation to terror. but do you agree that there is no military solution to this.
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kai
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sindbad5
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well, the same expectations Hamas has (in fact all palestinian groups including Fatah)
they say to themselves exactly what you are saying: what we expect from a terrorist state that killed our children and steal our lands that happen to enjoy the whole hypocritical ex-colonial western world support ? :sarcastic
leave out these lies and propaganda Jayhawker, if zionists really want to live in peace, that would be happen decades ago.
but they are greedy, they want peace and steal others lands and rights at the same time.
What about an international court to decide what right each of the parties have on that land, to whom does Palestine legally belong to? How did all of this started?
In 1939, following clashes between Jewish and Arab communities in Palestine, Great Britain made a major change in policy; Jewish immigration was to be severely limited. Ben-Gurion responded with calls for insurrection. During World War II Ben-Gurion supported cooperation with Britain, but after the war's end he authorized Zionist sabotage and terror attacks. The republic of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, with Ben-Gurion as prime minister. He welded the disparate underground forces into an army that defeated the invading Arabs, and for 15 years (except for the period 1953-1955) he continued to lead his country, promoting immigration, education, and the development of desert lands. In 1963 Ben-Gurion resigned, as he said, to study and write; he had also lost favour with his party. He did remain in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, until his retirement from politics in 1970. For the last ten years of his life he lived at Sede Boqer, a kibbutz in the Negev area; he died there on December 1, 1973.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
So this state was created by terrorist and the weak British administration of the territories entrusted to them, it appears to me that this land did no belong to the Jews and nor did it belong to the British to give it to any one.
In 1939, following clashes between Jewish and Arab communities in Palestine, Great Britain made a major change in policy; Jewish immigration was to be severely limited. Ben-Gurion responded with calls for insurrection. During World War II Ben-Gurion supported cooperation with Britain, but after the war's end he authorized Zionist sabotage and terror attacks. The republic of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, with Ben-Gurion as prime minister. He welded the disparate underground forces into an army that defeated the invading Arabs, and for 15 years (except for the period 1953-1955) he continued to lead his country, promoting immigration, education, and the development of desert lands. In 1963 Ben-Gurion resigned, as he said, to study and write; he had also lost favour with his party. He did remain in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, until his retirement from politics in 1970. For the last ten years of his life he lived at Sede Boqer, a kibbutz in the Negev area; he died there on December 1, 1973.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
So this state was created by terrorist and the weak British administration of the territories entrusted to them, it appears to me that this land did no belong to the Jews and nor did it belong to the British to give it to any one.
Yep -- just a bunch of 'greedy' Jews who love killing children. Got it ...
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Well, Hamas did address the violation of the agreement by Israel before launching those rockets..
Very nice questions..kai said:
Well, Hamas's requests could be summerised in:
"A 'peace process' with Palestinians cannot take even its first tiny step until Israel first withdraws to the borders of 1967; dismantles all settlements; removes all soldiers from Gaza and the West Bank; repudiates its illegal annexation of Jerusalem; releases all prisoners; and ends its blockade of our international borders, our coastline and our airspace permanently," Mahmoud Al-Zahar, a prominent Hamas leader, Washington Post
While Israel on the other hand rejects the establishment of Palestine on 1967 borders, rejects the returning of refugess, rejects having Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, rejects removing the wall and other settelments and rejects ending the blockading on Gaza strip...
How would you solve that?!..
If you already know those are terrorists, and that they will continue repeating the whole thing again, why did you accept the ceasefire?!!...I can't understand you claim!..Jayhawker Soule said:
First of all, there is nothing in Hamas's official statments and negotiations call for the destruction of Israel...Hamas is totally ready to establish a state for palestine on the 1967 borders, while this faces the rejection of Israel..Jayhawker Soule said:
Second, those who recognize Hamas are never part of the problem!..Justify your claim please..
Check the above lines I've written...Jayhawker Soule said:
How do you define terrorism?....and how is that definition not applied on the IDF?!
I second thatkai said:
Seems you are ok with the war..Jayhawker Soule said:
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Why is the IDF targetting schools at Gaza then?!Yep -- just a bunch of 'greedy' Jews who love killing children. Got it ...
I'm not claiming anything, but just showing you that what Hamas is doing is just done by the IDF but with more intensity...
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Though I didnt want to open that door, but thank you for the addition!...
And I'd like to add a quote by David Ben Gurion:
"I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out".
Tell me Jayhawker Soule, how would you find peace with such a foundation?!
.lava
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and why do they target hospitals, doctors and nurses?
whay do they use weapons like'shell' that would remain there and exploid later like a land mine?
why did they bomb and ruin central electricity, canalization systems and gas system that built in difficult conditions in years by Gazan?
why are they determined to make life even more misrable for civlians?
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I watched a documentary and tit said that this Gaza strip is most densely populated area in the planet, thinking on that; airs strake? It seems to me that this is highly immoral, at the same time shows the world how useless the UN is. There will be no valid reason for the occupation of this land till the Zionist state is dismantled, they are the problem. they dont have a legal right to the land.
The only way that this would stick is that Ben Gution is God Hinself restoring Israel, after all it was God that exailled them and made the promise to restore them Himself.
Thats just crazy talk "Zionist state dismantled" and simply will not happen,so moving on,both sides need to come to the table with some workable peace deal that will be adhered to by both sides.
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
I do agree, but why are you so sure?!
Because its too late for that,many countries had the opportunity to reject Israel as a state after WW2 but even Iran recognised them.
To EiNsTeiN and kai, there won't be any REAL peace while there is a lack in balance in power. Why should Israel go into these plans while she has the upper hand. They would think, what if the Palestinians had their own state then thought one day, well, why don't we get the rest of our lands back?
Israel will be very .. very stupid if they accepted any peace plan with the Palestinians. They know it's the end for them if they did, so they are just dancing along and delay things using silly excuses.
So, get over this delusion. I know you hope there is peace there, but there will be none. Even if they did, they will have to kick the Arabs of 48 who have Israeli passport to the other side, as many Israelis have suggested and in top of them, the current foreign minister of Israel, to have a pure Jewish state and fulfill one of their biggest dreams.
Israel will be very .. very stupid if they accepted any peace plan with the Palestinians. They know it's the end for them if they did, so they are just dancing along and delay things using silly excuses.
So, get over this delusion. I know you hope there is peace there, but there will be none. Even if they did, they will have to kick the Arabs of 48 who have Israeli passport to the other side, as many Israelis have suggested and in top of them, the current foreign minister of Israel, to have a pure Jewish state and fulfill one of their biggest dreams.
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