Israel attacks gaza strip

[EiNsTeiN]

There is no military solution for the current messed up situation...
The only solution there is to ceasefire, and get back to peacful negotiations, with total respect from both sides, which means that Israel and its allies should declare their recognition of Hamas as the elected legal government by the palestinian people...Studies showed that the more tight is the blockading of Gaza, the more the people there supporting hamas!..

Hamas made their requirments for a peacful relationship with Israel clear enough, and it's quite clear that the main obstacle for a peacful negotiation lays in the Israelian requirments.

"The pre-eminent obstacle to peace is Israel’s colonisation of Palestine."
Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, March 10, 2006

And this is exactly what Hamas rejects in its peacful negotiations' requirments..

 

[England my lionheart]

The US and it's allies showed their hypocrisy when Hamas been elected based on *democracy values* and free elections. The people wanted Hamas because they got tired of Fateh and many of their corrupted leaders, so the US wanted Israel to punish them. They should elect the *right people*, the US and Israel say.

I don't know, but i have a feeling that kai is acting as an Israeli propaganda tool and speaks the way Israel do about this issue.

It's very clear that Israel and the US want to force--as in kill--people to eradicate Hamas, but what they don't know is that those people have dignity and they wouldn't allow outsiders to force them to accept a party or reject another. They might be poor, dying of hunger, thirst, rockets, lack of medical supplies, etc, but they will never give up for this terrorist country called Israel. They do love life and appreciate it, but there is no point in living without honor and dignity. They have a true desire to be free, themselves, not only by getting a piece of land. All Palestinians today don't care who is Hamas and who is Fateh, thank to Israel, they are all just Palestinians now, they are all for Gaza.

By the way, Israel did a big favor for Hamas by attacking but not finishing them off, because just before the attacks, Hamas were losing face because they didn't want to meet with Fateh leaders, and these attacks gave them a big push now, and Israel will definitely regret these attacks. Israel leader(s) were hesitant, or let's say some of them, to use tanks and soldiers to attack Hamas directly but they had to do it because targets which jets can hit were finishing off.

Israel knew that if they stopped before the hand-made Hamas rockets has stopped so the Israeli people will not tolerate that, and if Israel went there with their soldiers like what they did with Lebanon without getting any success in land, their people will never forgive them because they can't handle another defeat.

If you were Israeli would you be happy with Hamas in charge,we all know Hamas's agenda is so it would be like having the Nazi party being in power.
Hamas is a negative party and of no use to their people and they have no idea how to take their people forward and could'nt run a tap let alone a country,Israel have made an error especially by going in by land but you reap what you sow and the only harvest here is death.

 

[darkendless]

If you were Israeli would you be happy with Hamas in charge,we all know Hamas's agenda is so it would be like having the Nazi party being in power.
Hamas is a negative party and of no use to their people and they have no idea how to take their people forward and could'nt run a tap let alone a country,Israel have made an error especially by going in by land but you reap what you sow and the only harvest here is death.

The only thing the Nazis did was bring the German people up for 10 years where life was great. Hamas just fails as a leadership organisation and needs to start caring for their own people rather than how best to destroy the Jews.

 

[England my lionheart]

The only thing the Nazis did was bring the German people up for 10 years where life was great. Hamas just fails as a leadership organisation and needs to start caring for their own people rather than how best to destroy the Jews.

True,i agree

 

[EiNsTeiN]

The only thing the Nazis did was bring the German people up for 10 years where life was great. Hamas just fails as a leadership organisation and needs to start caring for their own people rather than how best to destroy the Jews.

This was never a direct objective for Hamas...

We can't also generalize the term "Hamas"..Hamas is a social/political/ military organization that consists of various wings, one of those is Ezz El Din Qassam, the military wing of Hamas.

Quoted by David Ben-Gurion:

"I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs."

 

[darkendless]

This was never a direct objective for Hamas...

We can't also generalize the term "Hamas"..Hamas is a social/political/ military organization that consists of various wings, one of those is Ezz El Din Qassam, the military wing of Hamas.

Quoted by David Ben-Gurion:

"I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs."

If i was Israel, i'd say to the arabs you lost the war(s) so get over it. Im not only talking about the military wing of Hamas, the Gaza strip is a horrible place to live. They need aid to feed their people, if they left Israel alone maybe Israel would help them a little?
Fighting over God is pathetic, on both sides. Its hard to know if Israel considers this a religious matter or whether they're just trying to defend their people.

 

[kai]

There will be no peace with Hamas in control unless it changes policy and its sworn to not do that so---the Palestinians in Gaza have a wartime leadership gear up for war, and is now engaging in that war, a war that they exist for. Unless there is a call for peace and reconciliation from within Palestine then the war will go on relentlessly. The Israelis will build their wall sit behind it Hamas will lob rockets over the wall and Israel will come out and blast them then return and on and on it will go possibly forever.


you know i am getting sick of talking about it , most peple i know are tired of it , i have seen it going on since my child hood , maybe theres no point in any of it , just let them fight it out, no one really seems interested in peace do they? they just absolutely hate each other.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

If i was Israel, i'd say to the arabs you lost the war(s) so get over it. Im not only talking about the military wing of Hamas, the Gaza strip is a horrible place to live. They need aid to feed their people, if they left Israel alone maybe Israel would help them a little?
Fighting over God is pathetic, on both sides. Its hard to know if Israel considers this a religious matter or whether they're just trying to defend their people.

Basically, it's ONLY a religious matter for Israel..

Hamas settled for ceasefire for 6 months, but the humanetarian situation remained the same, even though Hamas declared it had been critical over there, but no responses from the international community...They were just passing the message to each other!...

 

[EiNsTeiN]

There will be no peace with Hamas in control unless it changes policy and its sworn to not do that so---the Palestinians in Gaza have a wartime leadership gear up for war, and is now engaging in that war, a war that they exist for. Unless there is a call for peace and reconciliation from within Palestine then the war will go on relentlessly. The Israelis will build their wall sit behind it Hamas will lob rockets over the wall and Israel will come out and blast them then return and on and on it will go possibly forever

Hamas should settle for peace (and I think they already are willing for so, declaring their readyness for extending the ceasefire period despite the expiry date announced). But Israel also should provide gauruntees and show up peacful intentions (ending the blockading of the strip)

 

[kai]

Hamas should settle for peace (and I think they already are willing for so, declaring their readyness for extending the ceasefire period despite the expiry date announced). But Israel also should provide gauruntees and show up peacful intentions (ending the blockading of the strip)

end the blockade , end the rockets , which came first the rockets? the blockade? who knows? and who really cares they just want to kill each other tell the truth thats it isnt it? nothing else makes sense

 

[England my lionheart]

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Israel's history of bomb blasts Here are some reasons they will not open the border.

 

[England my lionheart]

Volunteer suicide bombers seek to attack Israel - Yahoo! News
It just gets worse

 

[EiNsTeiN]

end the blockade , end the rockets , which came first the rockets? the blockade? who knows? and who really cares they just want to kill each other tell the truth thats it isnt it? nothing else makes sense

Interesting...
We have two approuches...Either to get back to basics, something like 61 years ago, and re-judge the situation from that percpective, or to forget the entire history and fights and start working for the best of the planet...However, the later approach obligates compromises from both sides.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

England My lionheart...I can provide several other links that justify the links you provided, and then you will give me other links that justify those, and so on...

 

[darkendless]

Basically, it's ONLY a religious matter for Israel..

Hamas settled for ceasefire for 6 months, but the humanetarian situation remained the same, even though Hamas declared it had been critical over there, but no responses from the international community...They were just passing the message to each other!...

Hamas doesn't deserve aid, their people need to realise that instead of attacking Israel, they should be bringing down Hamas.
Border crossings will not open until the fighting ends. Israel simply should not be responsible for feeding people who want them dead end of story.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Hamas doesn't deserve aid, their people need to realise that instead of attacking Israel, they should be bringing down Hamas.
Border crossings will not open until the fighting ends. Israel simply should not be responsible for feeding people who want them dead end of story.

Then why did israel accept the terms of ceasefire??

 

[England my lionheart]

England My lionheart...I can provide several other links that justify the links you provided, and then you will give me other links that justify those, and so on...

I am not justifying anything,i am just looking at the reason why opening the border is a problem,the other problem Palestine have is there are many foreign paramilitary groups causing more hate and violence 30% of suicide bomb attacks on Israel were made by non Palestinians.
My own country has suffered suicide attacks,bomb attacks in recent years and is a stupid way to try and prove something and i have no time or empathy for it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Then why did israel accept the terms of ceasefire??

Very good point. Here is the thing, if Israel was in violation of any agreement, that should have been addressed, not start lobbing rockets across the border. That made both sides in the wrong and push come to shove is a losing proposition.

 

[kai]

Interesting...
We have two approuches...Either to get back to basics, something like 61 years ago, and re-judge the situation from that percpective, or to forget the entire history and fights and start working for the best of the planet...However, the later approach obligates compromises from both sides.

compromise has to be the key in any peace negotiation, dont you agree?

what is it that Hamas wants that Israel wont budge on ?

What is it that Israel wants that Hamas wont budge on?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is no military solution for the current messed up situation...

The only solution there is to ceasefire, ...

When 'ceasefire' is a euphemism for arms smuggling, the reinforcement of a terrorist infrastructure, the brutal suppression of all local opposition, and repeated rocket fire at civilian Israeli targets, 'ceasefire' is nothing but deceitful propaganda.

..., and get back to peacful negotiations, with total respect from both sides, which means that Israel and its allies should declare their recognition of Hamas ...

No. It means that Israel and it allies should be unequivicol in its renunciation of those who embrace terrorism and demand the destruction of Israel. And it means the people must come to realize that those who speak of recognition of and respect for Hamas are part of the problem.