Israel attacks gaza strip

[England my lionheart]

I'm not sure about the opinions regarding this link, but I think it's hallirious, and the best to describe the situation over there!..
Rantings of a Sandmonkey » Get Your War On!

I agree

 

[Poisonshady313]

Actually, Judaism does NOT hold Shlomo to be a prophet. A great monarch and blessed man of G-d (at times in his life), but not a prophet.

You're wrong. Shlomo was indeed a prophet. and Judaism considers him as such.

 

[Elessar]

You're wrong. Shlomo was indeed a prophet. and Judaism considers him as such.

But not a prophet in the same sense as an Islamic prophet - as I understand it, in Islam, prophets are near blameless and near-sinless. By no means was Shlomo either of these things.

 

[Poisonshady313]

But not a prophet in the same sense as an Islamic prophet - as I understand it, in Islam, prophets are near blameless and near-sinless. By no means was Shlomo either of these things.

None of the prophets in Judaism are considered near-blameless or near sinless.

Since when do Jews measure their prophets according to Muslim standards?

A prophet is someone who speaks on behalf of God.

 

[.lava]

But not a prophet in the same sense as an Islamic prophet - as I understand it, in Islam, prophets are near blameless and near-sinless. By no means was Shlomo either of these things.

according to Islam only God is flawless and perfect. Prophets are human too. there is a verse in Qur'an that tells about a mistake Mohammad (PBUH) made. don't you know that? we know Prophets do not have free wills but they, under command of divine will, still do mistakes because they are human. by that, God shows us that only God is with no mistakes and even though Prophets are perfect humans, they are still creatures of God and absolute perfection belongs to God.

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[Elessar]

None of the prophets in Judaism are considered near-blameless or near sinless.

Since when do Jews measure their prophets according to Muslim standards?

A prophet is someone who speaks on behalf of God.

Truly, you are correct, and I apologize for anyone who misconstrues my post as contradicting this.

 

[.lava]

None of the prophets in Judaism are considered near-blameless or near sinless.

Since when do Jews measure their prophets according to Muslim standards?

A prophet is someone who speaks on behalf of God.

since when do you own Prophets of God?

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[Don Penguinoini]

Maybe Israel should finish the job this time, their citizens are sick of dying and they're sick of having rockets from Hamas landing in their residential areas.
Iran is probably not stupid enough to intervene, i imagine the USA is licking her lips to join this one.

I agree totally...

 

[.lava]

if Hamas is responsible of dead Palestinians, is Israel responsible of dead Israelis?

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[Jayhawker Soule]

Maybe Israel should finish the job this time, their citizens are sick of dying and they're sick of having rockets from Hamas landing in their residential areas.
Iran is probably not stupid enough to intervene, i imagine the USA is licking her lips to join this one.

I agree totally...

Only those societies infested with Hamas have it within their power to "finish the job." Any suggestion that this could be accomplished by the IDF is irresponsibly naive.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

if Hamas is responsible of dead Palestinians, is Israel responsible of dead Israelis?

No. :no:

 

[.lava]

No. :no:

then who's responsible of dead Israelis?

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[Jayhawker Soule]

then who's responsible of dead Israelis?

Those who create, promote, and allow Hamas terrorism.

 

[.lava]

Those who create, promote, and allow Hamas terrorism.

what now? playing guess who?

those who create Hamas = Israeli occupation and settlers.

those who promote Hamas = thousands of dead Palestinians

those who allow Hamas = Gaza

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[Jayhawker Soule]

those who create Hamas = Israeli occupation and settlers.

Rubbish ...

 

[.lava]

Rubbish ...

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[kai]

This is a complete nightmare , the ground incursion cannot eradicate Hamas, there is no military solution to this problem ,unfortunately for Palestinians ,Hamas and there associates put Israel into a situation where there is no other way to respond.

The only way to break this cycle is for a Palestinian leadership this is not military based and if the west bank and Jordan are to have some kind of autonomy or Independence then they must seek a peaceful basis for the formation of a Palestinian state.


I my view thats not possible without help from Israel,there is no way that a Palestinian state could be fully self supporting.


This change can only be started from inside the Palestinian areas, by the people realizing that Hamas etc will not bring them what they want. I deplore the violence from both sides but the Palestinians will have no choice but to take the brunt of death and destruction until they oust the leaders whos main goal is the destruction of Israel and replace them with someone whos main goal is the formation of a Palestinian state.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

This is a complete nightmare , the ground incursion cannot eradicate Hamas, there is no military solution to this problem ,unfortunately for Palestinians ,Hamas and there associates put Israel into a situation where there is no other way to respond.

The only way to break this cycle is for a Palestinian leadership this is not military based and if the west bank and Jordan are to have some kind of autonomy or Independence then they must seek a peaceful basis for the formation of a Palestinian state.


I my view thats not possible without help from Israel,there is no way that a Palestinian state could be fully self supporting.


This change can only be started from inside the Palestinian areas, by the people realizing that Hamas etc will not bring them what they want. I deplore the violence from both sides but the Palestinians will have no choice but to take the brunt of death and destruction until they oust the leaders whos main goal is the destruction of Israel and replace them with someone whos main goal is the formation of a Palestinian state.

I totally agree...But till this happen, both camps should get back to ceasefire..

 

[TashaN]

The US and it's allies showed their hypocrisy when Hamas been elected based on *democracy values* and free elections. The people wanted Hamas because they got tired of Fateh and many of their corrupted leaders, so the US wanted Israel to punish them. They should elect the *right people*, the US and Israel say.

I don't know, but i have a feeling that kai is acting as an Israeli propaganda tool and speaks the way Israel do about this issue.

It's very clear that Israel and the US want to force--as in kill--people to eradicate Hamas, but what they don't know is that those people have dignity and they wouldn't allow outsiders to force them to accept a party or reject another. They might be poor, dying of hunger, thirst, rockets, lack of medical supplies, etc, but they will never give up for this terrorist country called Israel. They do love life and appreciate it, but there is no point in living without honor and dignity. They have a true desire to be free, themselves, not only by getting a piece of land. All Palestinians today don't care who is Hamas and who is Fateh, thank to Israel, they are all just Palestinians now, they are all for Gaza.

By the way, Israel did a big favor for Hamas by attacking but not finishing them off, because just before the attacks, Hamas were losing face because they didn't want to meet with Fateh leaders, and these attacks gave them a big push now, and Israel will definitely regret these attacks. Israel leader(s) were hesitant, or let's say some of them, to use tanks and soldiers to attack Hamas directly but they had to do it because targets which jets can hit were finishing off.

Israel knew that if they stopped before the hand-made Hamas rockets has stopped so the Israeli people will not tolerate that, and if Israel went there with their soldiers like what they did with Lebanon without getting any success in land, their people will never forgive them because they can't handle another defeat.

 

[kai]

The US and it's allies showed their hypocrisy when Hamas been elected based on *democracy values* and free elections. The people wanted Hamas because they got tired of Fateh and many of their corrupted leaders, so the US wanted Israel to punish them. They should elect the *right people*, the US and Israel say. hamas only has to renounce terror to be recognised by western countries

I don't know, but i have a feeling that kai is acting as an Israeli propaganda tool and speaks the way Israel do about this issue. I am no ones "tool" TashaN i agree with my countries stance on this which can be found here:
Middle East Peace Process

It's very clear that Israel and the US want to force--as in kill--people to eradicate Hamas, but what they don't know is that those people have dignity and they wouldn't allow outsiders to force them to accept a party or reject another. They might be poor, dying of hunger, thirst, rockets, lack of medical supplies, etc, but they will never give up for this terrorist country called Israel. They do love life and appreciate it, but there is no point in living without honor and dignity. They have a true desire to be free, themselves, not only by getting a piece of land. All Palestinians today don't care who is Hamas and who is Fateh, thank to Israel, they are all just Palestinians now, they are all for Gaza. what a shame , i keep repeating but there is no military solution to this problem( i dont think thats the Israeli policy i keep spouting do you?)

By the way, Israel did a big favor for Hamas by attacking but not finishing them off, because just before the attacks, Hamas were losing face because they didn't want to meet with Fateh leaders, and these attacks gave them a big push now, and Israel will definitely regret these attacks. Israel leader(s) were hesitant, or let's say some of them, to use tanks and soldiers to attack Hamas directly but they had to do it because targets which jets can hit were finishing off. The ground offensive was obviously part of the plan from the strrt not an afterthought

Israel knew that if they stopped before the hand-made Hamas rockets has stopped so the Israeli people will not tolerate that, and if Israel went there with their soldiers like what they did with Lebanon without getting any success in land, their people will never forgive them because they can't handle another defeat.

The Israeli government had to act, the only way for this to end is for a peaceful solution, or this round will end with a ceasefire eventually and we will be back next year or the year after discussing and dissagreeing about the next round of violence. and as long as people buy into the idea that Hamas or Israel can defeat each other then peace is out.