Israel attacks gaza strip

[sindbad5]

Rockets Missiles and Bombs will solve nothing,not one thing,this all boils down to stupid religion and ignorance.

i'm really agree with you, but what can you do in times when your country get bombed because you say no to oppression and occupation? seek for peace ?

If there is a way forward it must be to stop the Palestinians being used,Hamas

now Hamas is the problem? man, Hamas in control in gaza for 2 years, the occupation started 31 years ago, man, hamas is the symptom not the illiness.

Iran,its common knowledge that Iran wants to attack Israel and push it into the Sea.

right and wrong,
righ because iran uses palestine problem as a playing card in the game,
wrong because since when iran considered an actual threat on israel? for the most of israel life time iran government was one of the big supporters for it, leave out all these political games, what iran wants is the recognation from america that she's a big player and should have a slice of the middle east cake.

The problem with this whole area is it dwells in the past and therefore there can be no future,

guess who recall those daemons from the past? zionists, remember that.

and it is pointless to want the people of Israel to leave,where are they going to go,nobody wanted them in WW2 or after so what do you think you would do.

practically, your right, where they will go?
belive me, arabs can accpet jews between them, it happened before (before and after islam) and can happen again.
the problem is the way israel think and act.

I feel sorry for the Youth of Palestine because they are stuck in this endless cycle of hate and poor leadership like Arafat.

man, i understand that in sake of peace one can renounce some of his rights, but not all of them, right?

 

[sindbad5]

Even before Judaism, the Middle Eastern tribes, even back to the dawn of civilization, have been fighting.

yeah, and it's just 50 years ago, a big fantastic empires in europe have been fighting to the extent that they kill 55 millions human being.

 

[.lava]

you'r right, and i'm wrong
sorry for you pigs and all animals

it's just, what can i call it? a "zionists effect"?
they have a very strange way of thinking, they get you out of mind for a moment, they assume they can be accepted and live between arabs thru killing their children and stealing their homes, yelling and screaming in anger if arabs even express refusing them.

dear friend, you are on your own. i did my duty as a friend and told you what i practice. i condemn fascism and racism. to me it is obvious animals are not racist or fascist.

i don't mind if Western perceive what's happening as if Israel is defending. that is not what i see. it was Israel who made hundreds of people homeless because their two soldiers were captured. it is OK for Western governments when Israel leaves hundreds homeless and dozens dead for two Israeli men. that shows the value of Muslims for them. Hamas rocket killed an Israeli, well here is the punishment for one life of Jew...more than 300 deads and hundreds of injured. it is OK too. they expect all Palestinians to says OK to every command comes from people who actually hate them. if Gaza did not fall onto her knees, that kind of will does not come from hatred or terror. many would give up after all but they don't. why? because they are terrorsits? are they masochists? do they enjoy to pick up pieces of their relative after an attack? do mothers really love to see their kids without heads? is it fun to live without heat or medicine or food? is it nice to see your child suffering to death because Israel does not let medicaments to go in? are they swimming in that terrible sawage all over the place? could any normal human being expect Palestinian to give in to Israel after every single one of them buried at least one member of their family? how could entire world waits for them to be OK with all of these? how could so many educated men still call what Israel is doing for decades 'self-defense'? this is genocide in slow motion, for God's sake! this is plain hypocricy! if Israel kills that is their right, if Hamas kills it is terror. WHY? Hamas was democraticly elected by Palestinian. what happened to voice of Western that preaches goodness of democracy? Palestinian don't deserve to choose? of course not! they can not choose! Israel chooses for them and Palestine says no, no matter how many they bury, they still say NO! is that terror to you? it looks like honourable act to me. instead of being slaves, they rather die.

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[EiNsTeiN]

Regardless what we think of Hamas, what happened there was a genocide by all scales...

Killing 210 in a day!
I wonder how Livni sleeps at night!!

And yeah, randomly launching rockets that causes no harm is just similar to F-16 missiles killing 210!..
Thats what they call "ceasefire"...

***Edited to remain resonable***

 

[Sunstone]

It seems to me there can be no moral justification for the disproportionate deaths and injuries suffered by the people of Gaza at the hands of the IDF. It is barbaric to kill hundreds in retaliation for the death of one.

 

[Sunstone]

Both sides are as bad as each other.

Is the death of one person the same as the death of hundreds, my friend? Yes, in so many ways both sides are as bad as each other, but here we have a case where it seems one side has retaliated disproportionately. And that, I believe, is immoral. The world should be outraged.

It is just all childish immaturity fuelled by petty differences and greedy power hungry men.

Well said.

 

[Sunstone]

how could so many educated men still call what Israel is doing for decades 'self-defense'? this is genocide in slow motion, for God's sake!

It is not self-defense when one side kills 300 in retaliation for the death of one person. I don't know if I would call it genocide, but if it is not genocide, it's pretty damn close to it.

 

[Heneni]

When your swimming in sewerage, without medicine, living in dire poverty...what do you care? You only hope to live to see the next day, and anybody that can help you stay alive will be ok. Hence hamas gains support. But such talk as...we wont stop until israel is wiped of the map is not a good way to look oppressed. And if hamas is in goverment saying those things they have become an international problem. And im afraid to me, they are simply wrong for the fact that they say such things.

And israel, has a responsibility towards their citizens as well. Today it is one citizen tomorrow it is many. They had their country, but wanted more...the six day war has turned out to be a very long war indeed. Why not be happy with what you got? Why push the limits and be greedy.

Israel has the upper hand here. More powerful and quite capable of wiping gaza of the map. Why havent they?

Hamas can probably wipe israel of the map as well, but needs support, hence involving other countries, and as soon as other countries are involved, regardless of who gets them involved, it means that this brotherly tiff has turned into an international crisis...that means im involved as well, even if its only because whatever happens there always has some ripple effect on the rest of the world.

But it is also possible that the rest of the world is piggy back riding on this whole issue because they have their own agenda.

 

[Heneni]

Regardless what we think of Hamas, what happened there was a genocide by all scales...

Killing 210 in a day!
I wonder how Livni sleeps at night!!

And yeah, randomly launching rockets that causes no harm is just similar to F-16 missiles killing 210!..
Thats what they call "ceasefire"...

***Edited to remain resonable***

It helps though that millions of people consider israel to be the holy land, with god on their side. :help:

 

[kai]

It is not self-defense when one side kills 300 in retaliation for the death of one person. I don't know if I would call it genocide, but if it is not genocide, it's pretty damn close to it.

no one has killed 300 in retaliation for 1 death , this is a systematic destruction of Hamas infrastructure. Hamas is at war with Israel. Who said this was retaliation for 1 death?

and has the zeitgeist moved so much that we now call the death of 300 Genocide? I am not condoning this action but it doesn't take a crystal ball to know this would happen and i don't know why anyone is surprised, its exactly what Hamas wanted ,why else keep firing on Israel? were they not expecting a response? and as usual we have conflicting news the UN says 56 deaths (56 to many)

 

[Heneni]

There are about 1.5 million people living in that little strip called gaza. 300 casualties mostly hamas members does not constitute genocide of the palestinian people.

Lava has raised the point that this is genocide in slow motion. That might be the case though. Not shooting them, but starving them, and keeping medicine from them.

The people of gaza have been backed up against the ocean. Where can they go? To the west bank? To egypt? Why havent they fled....

How are they going to get to the west bank....and will egypt accomodate these people? If the people have fled...that wont be very helpful to hamas. If only hamas is left in the gaza strip it will give israel all the more reason to wipe them out. As long as they keep the civilians around they are in some way protected. They are using the palestinians as human shields.

Heneni

 

[.lava]

When your swimming in sewerage, without medicine, living in dire poverty...what do you care? You only hope to live to see the next day, and anybody that can help you stay alive will be ok. Hence hamas gains support. But such talk as...we wont stop until israel is wiped of the map is not a good way to look oppressed. And if hamas is in goverment saying those things they have become an international problem. And im afraid to me, they are simply wrong for the fact that they say such things.

Hamas would have recognized Israel as a nation. don't you know what Hamas rejected and stood against in several agreements that Israel put on the table? (agreement that Al-Fetih accepted but Hamas rejected and therefor Hamas got most of the votes) Israel never leaves Palestine to Palestinian. they never comprimise. what they do is called 'peace talk for war tactic'. if Hamas accepted those agreement, CIA would have controlled every single unit in there, includes police stations, courts...CIA agents would be completely free and they would be in control over Palestine. that is what Hamas rejected. that is why Palestinian people voted for them. that is why today Al-Fetih and Hamas appears to be opposites. that is why Israeli government shakes hands with leaders of Al-Fatih but not Hamas. that is why Hamas announced as terrorists. (remember? you're either with me or against me)

And israel, has a responsibility towards their citizens as well. Today it is one citizen tomorrow it is many. They had their country, but wanted more...the six day war has turned out to be a very long war indeed. Why not be happy with what you got? Why push the limits and be greedy.

Israel has the upper hand here. More powerful and quite capable of wiping gaza of the map. Why havent they?

one bite at a time. they keep breaking down houses of Palestinians. they don't stop. did you know that Palestinian is probably the only nation that has shore but has no fish to eat? imo, if societies was not going to hear about it, Israel would have killed them all. they need support of societies. nobody supports Palestine and you see conditions they are live in.

Hamas can probably wipe israel of the map as well, but needs support, hence involving other countries, and as soon as other countries are involved, regardless of who gets them involved, it means that this brotherly tiff has turned into an international crisis...that means im involved as well, even if its only because whatever happens there always has some ripple effect on the rest of the world.

But it is also possible that the rest of the world is piggy back riding on this whole issue because they have their own agenda.

there are generations who were born and grew up in Israel. it is their home. Muslims has to respect this understandable emotion. but when the very same generations support their government no matter what they do, there, starts the problem. that is not honest. where you are feels like home to you but you don't mind your government break down Palestinian houses, with 5 minutes warning! i have no doubt there is no difference between pain of Jewish mother and Palestinian mother when their child dies. so why do Israeli people blindly support Israeli government? is that nationalism? i don't mind critize Turkish government but i am nationalist. but my loyalty to my nation would not make me forget an English would feel the same or a French..anyone for that matter. my loyalty would not make me abandone what's right and humane. i can't see that in Israelis. they immediately call you anti-semitic.

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[Heneni]

Hamas would have recognized Israel as a nation. don't you know what Hamas rejected and stood against in several agreements that Israel put on the table? (agreement that Al-Fetih accepted but Hamas rejected and therefor Hamas got most of the votes) Israel never leaves Palestine to Palestinian. they never comprimise. what they do is called 'peace talk for war tactic'. if Hamas accepted those agreement, CIA would have controlled every single unit in there, includes police stations, courts...CIA agents would be completely free and they would be in control over Palestine. that is what Hamas rejected. that is why Palestinian people voted for them. that is why today Al-Fetih and Hamas appears to be opposites. that is why Israeli government shakes hands with leaders of Al-Fatih but not Hamas. that is why Hamas announced as terrorists. (remember? you're either with me or against me)

American involvement - camp david - i thought it was a waste of time.

one bite at a time. they keep breaking down houses of Palestinians. they don't stop. did you know that Palestinian is probably the only nation that has shore but has no fish to eat? imo, if societies was not going to hear about it, Israel would have killed them all. they need support of societies. nobody supports Palestine and you see conditions they are live in.

Yes but the same goes for hamas, if nobody paid any attention to israel, they would have done what they are saying they want to do...wipe israel out.

there are generations who were born and grew up in Israel. it is their home. Muslims has to respect this understandable emotion. but when the very same generations support their government no matter what they do, there, starts the problem. that is not honest. where you are feels like home to you but you don't mind your government break down Palestinian houses, with 5 minutes warning! i have no doubt there is no difference between pain of Jewish mother and Palestinian mother when their child dies. so why do Israeli people blindly support Israeli government? is that nationalism? i don't mind critize Turkish government but i am nationalist. but my loyalty to my nation would not make me forget an English would feel the same or a French..anyone for that matter. my loyalty would not make me abandone what's right and humane. i can't see that in Israelis. they immediately call you anti-semitic.

Why does the UN allow israel to withold humanitarian aid? Isnt that against international laws?

 

[Heneni]

By the way...there are protests in the cape town CBD. They are saying...free the palestinian people in gaza.

 

[kai]

Unfortunately for the Gazans their leaders Hams hve no desire for peace the Hamas charter itself calls for the destruction of Israel and you reap what you sow ,if only Hamas would do it out in the open and gain their martyrdom then the Palestinians could have at least a chance to live in peace

 

[Heneni]

Unfortunately for the Gazans their leaders Hams hve no desire for peace the Hamas charter itself calls for the destruction of Israel and you reap what you sow ,if only Hamas would do it out in the open and gain their martyrdom then the Palestinians could have at least a chance to live in peace

Perhaps they see the only way to obtain peace is if israel is destroyed because they wont leave them the hell alone.

The problem is...hamas is still considered a terrorist organisation, and there is no reason for the UN to insist on humanitarian aid to a terrorist run goverment.

PS: Arent elections coming up soon...

Lets look back at history....

The 9/11 happened before an election

The bomb scares in london...just before the elections where tony blair became president

These attacks on israel, just before another election.

I have the feeling something is behind all of this....the silent terrorists.

Zionism maybe?

 

[.lava]

Unfortunately for the Gazans their leaders Hams hve no desire for peace the Hamas charter itself calls for the destruction of Israel and you reap what you sow ,if only Hamas would do it out in the open and gain their martyrdom then the Palestinians could have at least a chance to live in peace

yes, but Palestine would not be an independent country.

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[Heneni]

Israel you have to admit, is like a little island in a vast arab sea. I can imagine that they must feel rather insecure about their future almost all of the time.

I would think that jews who havent returned to israel, probably dont for many reasons, one of them being...they dont want to be surrounded by arabs who dont fancy them much.

Heneni

 

[frg001]

yeah, try not to feed him , and try to kill its baby, and see


pigs
and i'm give them the whole right to call them that

if someone killed your brother and son, and steal your home, you have at least the right to call him pig, right? correct me if i'm wrong.

This attitude is no better than that of westerners calling all muslims terrorists.

 

[Father Heathen]

*sigh*

Both sides are as bad as each other. It is just all childish immaturity fuelled by petty differences and greedy power hungry men.

Both sides believe they have God in their corner, and thus neither will ever yield, ever.