Israel attacks gaza strip

[England my lionheart]

but this nightmare became true in Gaza.

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And this nightmare will repeat itself many times all because of a stupid minority of stupid people

 

[England my lionheart]

Im not saying lets wait and see if hamas has greater firing power. Im saying i dont think they have. If they did wouldnt intelligence know about it?

Anyway...i hope for the sake of all that they dont have bigger fire power, and i hope that israel, for their sake dont kill innocent civilians. Their rockets can pretty much reach everywhere.

A rocket can only go so far. Ashdod and the outskirts of Be'er Sheva in Israel can be evacuated if we assume that hamas only has rockets that can fire that far. Firepower needs to be smuggled in. Israel controlling the sea, the borders etc....it wont be easy to smuggle bigger rockets into gaza.

The rockets of hamas were smuggled into the Gaza Strip via the tunnels in the Sinai Peninsula. Although Egypt says it must have been by sea.

Still...there isnt an endless supply of this stuff, and smuggling bigger rockets into gaza wont be easy. And if intelligence knows about the smuggled rockets of hamas, then surely they would know if they had anything bigger. Lets hope they dont.

Hamas and Hezbollah are buddies again Iran has just supplied 45,000 Missiles to Lebanon plus other weapons and has a pact with Lebanon,Hamas in comparison to Hezbollaha have less fighting capability and are not as professional as Hezbollah.
If Hezbollah get involved which is most probable break out the body bags.
Irans puppet prime minister has called on all Muslims to defend Palestine and are lapping all this up,anything bad they can do to Israel they will.
The worst scenario that can happen is the war spreads to the Lebanon which would give Iran the excuse to get involved.

 

[Sunstone]

I guess there is no justification for defending the lives of Israeli citizens.

Of course there can be justification for defending the lives of Israeli citizens, my friend. I no more want to see an Israeli civilian killed than I want to see a Palistinian civilian killed. Besides, the government of Israel has a duty and a moral right to defend the lives of its citizens. But don't you think self-defense must be proportionate to the attack? And is that the case here?

on the last few days before operation Cast Lead, Israeli towns have been hit by up to 80 rockets on a single day,

That is more than enough reason to for Israel to act in self-defense, Dan. I apologize for not taking into account how seriously Israel has been provoked before I spoke on this issue. But has Israel responded proportionately? I am not asking that as a rhetorical question. I wish I knew the answer.

...the targets have been exclusively military installations of the Hamas (a terror organization who attempts to sway its Islamist ((as opposed to Islamic)) claws on the Gaza strip and the PA in general)

Americans in Iraq did not purposively target civilians, but many civilians died from American bombs. When you target military installations surrounded by civilian homes, you are almost certainly going to kill civilians. I do not doubt that Israel must defend it's people. I do not doubt that Hamas installations are the targets. But I strongly suspect that civilians, along with Hamas fighters, are being killed.

For some reason, I am reminded of that passage from the Tao Teh Ching --- "Conduct your victory as a funeral". The situation makes me sick, and it makes me sick no matter who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

I believe it speaks volumes when Mahmoud Abbas, (leaving aside the Egyptian foreign minister for a second), the leader of the Palestinian Authority himself blames Hamas.

Indeed. That does speak volumes.

But, in my opinion, the roots of this conflict go deeper than the guilt of Hamas in the current crisis (which I do not deny -- they are scum).

One thing that has undeniably contributed to the current situation is the occupation of the West Bank and the illegal settlements there. I do not believe there is any long term solution to this problem that does not involved dismantling those settlements and freeing the West Bank.

 

[Heneni]

I wouldnt know about the 45 000 missiles given to lebanon. Do you have a source for the information?

Thats disconcerting. If lebanon doesnt get involved in the violence themselves then they can only get those missiles to the gaza strip by smuggling it in.

If these rockets come in through the border between lebanon and Golan, maybe an attack from there is possible. But gaza is hamas headquarters and i dont know if an attack from golan is even possible.

So if lebanon is sitting with 45 000 missiles...and depending on the range of those rockets/missiles they can very well keep them for self-defense or for an attack on israel.

And if lebanon gets involved, then iran gets involved. If Iran gets involved then the USA gets involved. Maybe that is the idea.....and that is what the silent terrorists have been hoping for all along. A reason to nuke the USA. (Who knows when brittian will get involved)

Heneni

 

[England my lionheart]

I wouldnt know about the 45 000 missiles given to lebanon. Do you have a source for the information?

Thats disconcerting. If lebanon doesnt get involved in the violence themselves then they can only get those missiles to the gaza strip by smuggling it in.

If these rockets come in through the border between lebanon and Golan, maybe an attack from there is possible. But gaza is hamas headquarters and i dont know if an attack from golan is even possible.

So if lebanon is sitting with 45 000 missiles...and depending on the range of those rockets/missiles they can very well keep them for self-defense or for an attack on israel.

And if lebanon gets involved, then iran gets involved. If Iran gets involved then the USA gets involved. Maybe that is the idea.....and that is what the silent terrorists have been hoping for all along. A reason to nuke the USA. (Who knows when brittian will get involved)

Heneni

It gets worse:Iran hardliners register volunteers to fight Israel | Top News | Reuters

 

[Heneni]

It gets worse:Iran hardliners register volunteers to fight Israel | Top News | Reuters

I dont know...these clergy men wont be able to get their hands on weapons easily and how will they get into gaza?

Its good propaganda though.

Heneni

 

[Heneni]

Oh....look who has jumped on the bandwagon.

Afghan Taliban urge Muslims to rise up over Gaza raids | Reuters

So we have the clergy and the evil kenevals all rising up against israel.

Who is co-ordinating this dance?


heneni

 

[.lava]

And if lebanon gets involved, then iran gets involved. If Iran gets involved then the USA gets involved. Maybe that is the idea.....and that is what the silent terrorists have been hoping for all along. A reason to nuke the USA. (Who knows when brittian will get involved)

Heneni

a reason to nuke USA? what do you mean? how?

maybe Israel is willing to hit Iran with nukes and does not want to be annoyed by Hamas at the same time.

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[.lava]

Oh....look who has jumped on the bandwagon.

Afghan Taliban urge Muslims to rise up over Gaza raids | Reuters

So we have the clergy and the evil kenevals all rising up against israel.

Who is co-ordinating this dance?


heneni

imo these might be signs of world war. if this calls continues and if they unite to attack Israel, then there is no doubt they would have 'united' respond too.

this is so sad.

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[Heneni]

a reason to nuke USA? what do you mean? how?

maybe Israel is willing to hit Iran with nukes and does not want to be annoyed by Hamas at the same time.

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Lets pray very hard that nobody presses a nuke button. .

 

[Heneni]

imo these might be signs of world war. if this calls continues and if they unite to attack Israel, then there is no doubt they would have 'united' respond too.

this is so sad.

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Well it seems like finally the UN has repremanded Israel for the lack of aid getting through to gaza. A little too late id say. This is terribly sad. I can just imagine the fear those children experience when those planes come over and they hear the bombings. War is never pretty. I really think that whatever hamas thought it was doing good, it hasnt done any good. Hiding inbetween civilians. Thats barbaric. They know that israel cant get them unless they get some innocent peopel killed. And still they put their people at risk by firing stupid rockets at israel.

You dont scratch the lions balls unless you want your hand bitten off. And seriously...i think there is more to this than meets the eye. This is a deliberate attempt to tempt israel, and i think that whatever is going to happen in the next few months, especially on an international level regarding this matter, has been carefully planned out for a long time.

Heneni

 

[EiNsTeiN]

no one has killed 300 in retaliation for 1 death , this is a systematic destruction of Hamas infrastructure. Hamas is at war with Israel. Who said this was retaliation for 1 death?

and has the zeitgeist moved so much that we now call the death of 300 Genocide? I am not condoning this action but it doesn't take a crystal ball to know this would happen and i don't know why anyone is surprised, its exactly what Hamas wanted ,why else keep firing on Israel? were they not expecting a response? and as usual we have conflicting news the UN says 56 deaths (56 to many)

"The head of the emergency services in Gaza said that 312 Palestinians had been killed in all, and more than 1,400 others wounded" BBC news..

And what do you expect from people living in a blockaded strip with no gas, food, or humanitarian supplies for 6 months!!

 

[.lava]

Unfortunately for the Gazans their leaders Hams hve no desire for peace the Hamas charter itself calls for the destruction of Israel and you reap what you sow ,if only Hamas would do it out in the open and gain their martyrdom then the Palestinians could have at least a chance to live in peace

that would be blaming the victim for his death. people who's protesting Israel know that Hamas did not even exist couple of years ago and this is not first time civilians got killed. there've been too many deads, so many targeted civilians, many unacceptable incidents (like not letting women who's about to give birth to go to hospital) and for decades there is a no ending psycological war by cutting off supplies and forcing people to live in terrible conditions. now it is all because of Hamas. what was it for before Hamas?

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[darkendless]

Unfortunately for the Gazans their leaders Hams hve no desire for peace the Hamas charter itself calls for the destruction of Israel and you reap what you sow ,if only Hamas would do it out in the open and gain their martyrdom then the Palestinians could have at least a chance to live in peace

I think peace is only a dream, without Hamas nothing much would change, we'd still see Arab nations supplying hateful Palestinians with rockets to kill civilians with. They say if you want peace, prepare for war, well Israel is preparing for peace by preparing for war.

 

[kai]

is it possible to launch 80 rockets and kill just one man? who knows, maybe that one man died accidently. maybe you're right, Hamas is targeting Israel, not Israelis. if not, i don't know how come they did not kill dozens by those rockets.

is it possible for Palestine to be independent? are you independent? if yes, what's the difference between you and any Palestinian?

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The rockets that they fire are fired indiscriminately and are not laser guided they are kind of point them in the right direction and hope. plus the Israelis have warning systems and shelters . I am sure if Hamas/Islamic jihad etc had more sophisticated weapons at there disposal the death count would be higher.
Qassam rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes we are independant because we have a population of around 60 million and have industry and commerce along with infrastructure that makes us independent. what i mean is could say Gaza exist as a totally indepenent entity ? could it support itself?

 

[kai]

Im not saying lets wait and see if hamas has greater firing power. Im saying i dont think they have. If they did wouldnt intelligence know about it?

Anyway...i hope for the sake of all that they dont have bigger fire power, and i hope that israel, for their sake dont kill innocent civilians. Their rockets can pretty much reach everywhere.

A rocket can only go so far. Ashdod and the outskirts of Be'er Sheva in Israel can be evacuated if we assume that hamas only has rockets that can fire that far. Firepower needs to be smuggled in. Israel controlling the sea, the borders etc....it wont be easy to smuggle bigger rockets into gaza.

The rockets of hamas were smuggled into the Gaza Strip via the tunnels in the Sinai Peninsula. Although Egypt says it must have been by sea.

Still...there isnt an endless supply of this stuff, and smuggling bigger rockets into gaza wont be easy. And if intelligence knows about the smuggled rockets of hamas, then surely they would know if they had anything bigger. Lets hope they dont.

Its not the destructive power of the rockets themselves bt the ability of Hamas to fire them , Hamas portrays itself as a military organisation "look at us we are fighting the so called invincible enemy" they are constantly goading and poking their enemy, once Israel attacks and Palestinians start being killed , Bingo "look what those demons are doing to us " thats the whole point of the rocket attacks not to cause significant damage but to get a response.

 

[kai]

that would be blaming the victim for his death. people who's protesting Israel know that Hamas did not even exist couple of years ago and this is not first time civilians got killed. there've been too many deads, so many targeted civilians, many unacceptable incidents (like not letting women who's about to give birth to go to hospital) and for decades there is a no ending psycological war by cutting off supplies and forcing people to live in terrible conditions. now it is all because of Hamas. what was it for before Hamas?

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Before Hamas it was the PLO,Islamic Jihad,Al asqa martyrs brigade, the PFLP, and the Abu Nidal group Black september, amongst others

 

[sindbad5]

its called hatred sinbad5---Hatred it eats up your heart turns it black and blinds you , it makes you see pigs instead of people its easier for you to hate pigs .

tell me Kai, i know from your talks here you are reasonable and fair
be honest with yourself and me and tell me if somebody did to you what Israel did to Palestinians, do you'll hate him or love him?

 

[kai]

"The head of the emergency services in Gaza said that 312 Palestinians had been killed in all, and more than 1,400 others wounded" BBC news..

And what do you expect from people living in a blockaded strip with no gas, food, or humanitarian supplies for 6 months!!

i would expect them to sue for peace, or get rid of their warmongering leaders.

 

[kai]

tell me Kai, i know from your talks here you are reasonable and fair
be honest with yourself and me and tell me if somebody did to you what Israel did to Palestinians, do you'll hate him or love him?

in honesty i would hate them, but i would also hate Hamas and all soldiers, i would want peace. i would want a leadership who could get me that peace. sinbad i understand ful well why Palestinians hate Israelis and why Israelis hate Palestinians ( a generalisation i know) but it has to end and there is no military solution to this on either side.