Israel attacks gaza strip

[England my lionheart]

I've just watched the News on the BBC,a Drone spots a Hamas Rocket crew setting up for firing,Boom 7 Hamas are gone for the big appointment in the sky with a host of Virgins.
What Palestine need is a great leader which they have'nt had ,well i can't think of a great Palestinian leader ever,someone who can bring peace to the Palestinians,the West have offered to help with Trade and border security,even the EU have offered help.
Hamas and Hezbollah are rubbing their hands with anticipation at what will happen next,Israel said they would consider a cease fire if Hamas stopped firing Rockets into Israel,no prizes offered as to what Hamas did next.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hezbollah chief stirs Arabs to turn on rulers | Reuters Here they come It does get worse News Search Results for hezbollah | Reuters.co.uk at least Egypt are honest,if they open their borders they could have an influx of refugees,see nobody wants them

 

[England my lionheart]

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/hezbollah-salute.jpg

There was another army that saluted like that,thay also run on the same fuel....hate

 

[England my lionheart]

Here are some Martyrs from Hamas who have gone for the big appointment in the sky with the 10 Virgins,will there be enough to go around.

 

[Heneni]

Here are some Martyrs from Hamas who have gone for the big appointment in the sky with the 10 Virgins,will there be enough to go around.

Where are they?

 

[England my lionheart]

Where are they?

Information Office | Ezzedeen AL-Qassam Brigades - Palestine

 

[England my lionheart]

Information Office | Ezzedeen AL-Qassam Brigades - Palestine

Of course there are quite a few to add to that

 

[Heneni]

Didnt Israel in 2006 fight against the hezbollah and lost? I cant imagine how. Do you know anything about it EML?

 

[England my lionheart]

Didnt Israel in 2006 fight against the hezbollah and lost? I cant imagine how. Do you know anything about it EML?

Yes i know,Hizbullah gained a lot of prestige for that and thats why they want to get involved because they know Hamas have'nt got the same muscle.

 

[kai]

i really appreciate your honesty.
but, Kai, blaming the victim will not help, prophet Mohamed once said that a man should always support his brother even if he's the oppressor by trying to stop his oppression.

would you do that for Israel?

I am not blaming the victim Sinbad , the Palestinians are the victims here, i blame Hamas fair and square, like i said the Palestinians need peacemakers not rockets makers.
There isnt a country in the world that would just sit there and let Hamas fire rockets into thier territory. yes they are crude and no they are not very effective militarily but sphychologically they are extremely effective and Hamas Knows really knows that Israel will retaliate sooner or later.

Thats why i blame them because its intentional. I firmly beleive that this response is exactly what Hamas wanted in fact a ground offensive is the ultimate goal.

 

[kai]

Didnt Israel in 2006 fight against the hezbollah and lost? I cant imagine how. Do you know anything about it EML?

This is amazing to me how the Hezbollah propaganda machine is so effective. Lebanon was devastated roads ,bridges,infrastructure destroyed, thousands killed. and Hezbollah claim victory. i wonder what they consider a defeat?

there is difference in mind sets ,the martyrdom of everyone in Gaza or Lebanon would be seen as a victory to these guys

 

[sindbad5]

How the 'massacre' in Gaza looks like:
Israeli soldiers rescuing Hamas terrorists from tunnels used against Israel:

they are actors, part of the Zionists propaganda,

anyway Caladan, are you sure you want to go to the images level of debate ???

take this

very sorry to disturb you people

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[kai]

I hoped people could refrain from posting images of dead children . i find it distasteful and doesn't really add to the debate. I am sure all we would get is a competition with who could post the most gruesome pictures dead Palestinians or Israelis.

 

[sindbad5]

like i keep saying there is no military solution to this problem whether your Israeli or Palestinian.

me to Kai, i'm 100% agree with you on that

tell this to the occupier, Palestinians didn't get their military forces and went to occupy Israel, did they?

 

[sindbad5]

I've just watched the News on the BBC,a Drone spots a Hamas Rocket crew setting up for firing,Boom 7 Hamas are gone for the big appointment in the sky with a host of Virgins.

by the way lionhreat making fun of heavens and virgins, etc, is not something i respect, at the end, it's religious concepts despite misused by the media and misunderstood by people.

you want to discuss politics? keep it politics
you want to discuss Islamic concepts? ask

 

[kai]

me to Kai, i'm 100% agree with you on that

tell this to the occupier, Palestinians didn't get their military forces and went to occupy Israel, did they?

They already know,

and no they didnt but that is their goal only failing because they havnt the strength , i am sure you are aware of the goals of Hamas as set out in the Hamas Charter. which is the destruction of Israel.

They also know this is not possible but do they want to be Taxi drivers in a peaceful palestinians state? i think not.

 

[sindbad5]

They already know,

and no they didnt but that is their goal only failing because they havnt the strength , i am sure you are aware of the goals of Hamas as set out in the Hamas Charter. which is the destruction of Israel.

They also know this is not possible but do they want to be Taxi drivers in a peaceful palestinians state? i think not.

i didn't read Hamas charter, but assume you're right.

do you put blame on Hamas because on their charter they mention the distruction of israel?

DEFINATIONS:

Israel: a state that established on the hestorical land of palestine, through using military force and terrorism to quick out Palestinians from their villages and towns.
and in 1967, israel occupied gaza and west bank, by this, completed its control over lands between the river and sea.

Hamas: a movement established in response to israel occupation to palestine in the late 80th, the movement took a very strong push after peace talks failures between Arafat and israel, and loosing any hope of getting any rights from the occupier.

can we go directly to the problem roots and talk?

and leave out hamas, hezbullah, iran, syria, north korea, venzwela, robert mugabi, mmm, who else???

 

[.lava]

by the way lionhreat making fun of heavens and virgins, etc, is not something i respect, at the end, it's religious concepts despite misused by the media and misunderstood by people.

you want to discuss politics? keep it politics
you want to discuss Islamic concepts? ask

i have similar feelings. this is what happens when one learns Islam from haters of Islam. but at least, we can show some respect to dead. they are human too.

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[.lava]

Hamas: a movement established in response to israel occupation to palestine in the late 80th, the movement took a very strong push after peace talks failures between Arafat and israel, and loosing any hope of getting any rights from the occupier.

exactly. what's Hamas?

you know, there is a journalist who went and lived in Palestine then he came back. he joined interviews and he claims Hamas is Palestine. in other words, they are not some kind of gang who's separated from public because they public. they were kids of Palestinian, grew up there. Journalist says Hamas is not a terrorist group. the reason why they were voted by most of the Palestinian is that they are voice of Palestine. while Palestinian and Hamas suffer the same, Al Fatih rides lux cars, they have everything but their people are starving. i personally would not respect any leader who's living in luxury while his people were starving and suffering. they blame Hamas as Israel does. so could anyone tell me how come Palestinian don't? why do Al Fatih and Israel say the same while Palestinian disagree with them and call Al Fatih betrayals? you really need to be honest to answer that.

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[England my lionheart]

by the way lionhreat making fun of heavens and virgins, etc, is not something i respect, at the end, it's religious concepts despite misused by the media and misunderstood by people.

you want to discuss politics? keep it politics
you want to discuss Islamic concepts? ask

I don't think its funny,i think its very sad.