Israel attacks gaza strip

[Breathe]

they are actors, part of the Zionists propaganda,

Surely you're not being serious... :sarcastic

 

[England my lionheart]

i have similar feelings. this is what happens when one learns Islam from haters of Islam. but at least, we can show some respect to dead. they are human too.

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They are Human but if they want respect they should live for their country instead of dieing for it,all they manage to do is make things worse.
I do not hate Islam or any religion but religion plays a massive part in this conflict and until fighting stops and people can sign treaties that they can keep nothing will change.
Not very long ago no end could be seen to the violence in Northern Ireland and the hatred between Protestants and Catholic Republicans,guess what they stopped fighting and are talking and NI has seen a lot of growth,they probably still hate each other but they are going forward so anything is possible.

 

[England my lionheart]

i didn't read Hamas charter, but assume you're right.

do you put blame on Hamas because on their charter they mention the distruction of israel?

DEFINATIONS:

Israel: a state that established on the hestorical land of palestine, through using military force and terrorism to quick out Palestinians from their villages and towns.
and in 1967, israel occupied gaza and west bank, by this, completed its control over lands between the river and sea.

Hamas: a movement established in response to israel occupation to palestine in the late 80th, the movement took a very strong push after peace talks failures between Arafat and israel, and loosing any hope of getting any rights from the occupier.

can we go directly to the problem roots and talk?

and leave out hamas, hezbullah, iran, syria, north korea, venzwela, robert mugabi, mmm, who else???

I think we can leave out Mugabe,Venezuela,North Korea but Hezbollah and Iran are very much a part of it unfortunately.

 

[.lava]

Surely you're not being serious... :sarcastic

i don't think they are actors. but why don't Israel try to help curing kids instaed of Hamas members? i guess even if they torture kids, they have nothing to gain, kids know nothing. but Hamas people would worth save, torture and imprison for long years.

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[Breathe]

i don't think they are actors. but why don't Israel try to help curing kids instaed of Hamas members? i guess even if they torture kids, they have nothing to gain, kids know nothing. but Hamas people would worth save, torture and imprison for long years.

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I suppose it's because they're currently under fire from about 20,000 militants.
You're right, the kids should be saved, though. They should not be left to suffer. They need to be broken from what will be an endless cycle of violence and hatred, but that is easier said, than done.

But, nevertheless, it shows that the Israelis will even help their enemy. What is the chance of Hamas doing this? None. Hamas would probably push them into the hole deeper.

 

[kai]

i didn't read Hamas charter, but assume you're right.

do you put blame on Hamas because on their charter they mention the distruction of israel?

DEFINATIONS:

Israel: a state that established on the hestorical land of palestine, through using military force and terrorism to quick out Palestinians from their villages and towns.
and in 1967, israel occupied gaza and west bank, by this, completed its control over lands between the river and sea.

Hamas: a movement established in response to israel occupation to palestine in the late 80th, the movement took a very strong push after peace talks failures between Arafat and israel, and loosing any hope of getting any rights from the occupier.

can we go directly to the problem roots and talk?

and leave out hamas, hezbullah, iran, syria, north korea, venzwela, robert mugabi, mmm, who else???

sure thing


tell me what you think could be done to obtain Peace , but we must remain realistic , not what we wish could happen but what is realisticallty attainable.

 

[sindbad5]

I think we can leave out Mugabe,Venezuela,North Korea but Hezbollah and Iran are very much a part of it unfortunately.

are you sure? prove

They are Human but if they want respect they should live for their country instead of dieing for it,all they manage to do is make things worse.

"want respect"... WoW
do you think they take into their consideration us respecting them?, setting down in our comfort seats, probably enjoying a cup of coffee, browsing, chatting , and enjoying our time?

man, to think in this way, we should have tons of arrogance

and you wrong, i can die for my country if necessary as well as living for it.

and yes, they make things worse for themselves (and more importantly - in this kind of occupation - to the oppressor as well).

Not very long ago no end could be seen to the violence in Northern Ireland and the hatred between Protestants and Catholic Republicans,guess what they stopped fighting and are talking and NI has seen a lot of growth,they probably still hate each other but they are going forward so anything is possible.

i hope so happen in Palestine, but peace is something that need tow hands, not one.
unless Israel admit the rights of Palestinians to live with them in the same land, and leave out the idea of making them surrender for their "peace" conditions, no thing will change.

 

[sindbad5]

But, nevertheless, it shows that the Israelis will even help their enemy.

you mean they are not totally monsters as pro-Palestinians try to portrait?

What is the chance of Hamas doing this? None. Hamas would probably push them into the hole deeper.

Odion, you just built a huge structure of assumptions in the same moments when those non-monsters soldiers cut heads and arms of civilians and children,
man, at least show some respect for the deads as a deads not palestininas, and wait until the aggression end, and blood get dry.

 

[Breathe]

you mean they are not totally monsters as pro-Palestinians try to portrait?

Pretty much. Most Israelis that I've encountered, want peace. Pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinians are guilty of pretty much the same thing, often, demonizing the enemy.

Odion, you just built a huge structure of assumptions in the same moments when those non-monsters soldiers cut heads and arms of civilians and children,

Can you prove that they did that? I don't believe that for a moment, if they did, they would be in so much trouble it would be unreal.

man, at least show some respect for the deads as a deads not palestininas, and wait until the aggression end, and blood get dry.

Hey, I'm not the one posting pictures of dead children on here to win an argument.

 

[sindbad5]

sure thing
tell me what you think could be done to obtain Peace , but we must remain realistic , not what we wish could happen but what is realisticallty attainable.

it turned out Kai that Palestinians are tough, they don't surrender to Israeli way of imposing a solution.

what can we do?
breaking their skulls? already tried before.
killing their kids? thousands of kids get killed and no sign of surrender.
trying to thru them out to other neighbors like Lebanon or Egypt? not worked in past with Lebanon and sure well never work with Egypt.

so what?

what about giving them their rights? it seems simple, direct and clean, and every body will be happy. why is that so tough on Israel?

 

[.lava]

I suppose it's because they're currently under fire from about 20,000 militants.
You're right, the kids should be saved, though. They should not be left to suffer. They need to be broken from what will be an endless cycle of violence and hatred, but that is easier said, than done.

But, nevertheless, it shows that the Israelis will even help their enemy. What is the chance of Hamas doing this? None. Hamas would probably push them into the hole deeper.

even though there is not much food in Gaza, YES, Hamas is holding prisoners and feeding them. an eye witness says this that they share very limited food with them.

Israel would never help Hamas or Palestinian. they hate Arabs. but they need information and they must continue psycological oppression on Palestinian. there are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israel. they are not even allowed to see their families. so where do you think those Araps they are 'helping' going to? they are going to be tortured like many others if they are really Hamas members. no other option exist. so it is not really help. showing off to world how humane they treat Arabs after killing dozens of kid in couple of days. who took those photographer is not even a journalist who stays in Gaza. that kind of people walk around with Israeli army and took photos whenever they are ordered to do so.

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[kai]

it turned out Kai that Palestinians are tough, they don't surrender to Israeli way of imposing a solution. most people are extraordinarily tough when it comes to adversity, yes the Palestinians are tough in that respect so are the Israelis

what can we do?
breaking their skulls? already tried before. yes both sides keep trying that to no avail
killing their kids? thousands of kids get killed and no sign of surrender. same again
trying to thru them out to other neighbors like Lebanon or Egypt? not worked in past with Lebanon and sure well never work with Egypt. No it doesnt work

so what?

what about giving them their rights? it seems simple, direct and clean, and every body will be happy. why is that so tough on Israel?

yes good idea just get Hamas to agree to renewing the ceasefire and we have a start.

come on sinbad you can do better than that, how can we get a permenant solution to this problem ? lets rtefrain from throwing insults and discuss what needs to be done , i say the first step is ceasefire. hamas will not agree to ceasefire.

 

[.lava]

sure thing


tell me what you think could be done to obtain Peace , but we must remain realistic , not what we wish could happen but what is realisticallty attainable.

tell me, is there some kind of unwritten law that says you are free to terrorize people if you are government that's recognized by other nations?

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[kai]

even though there is not much food in Gaza, YES, Hamas is holding prisoners and feeding them. an eye witness says this that they share very limited food with them.

Israel would never help Hamas or Palestinian. they hate Arabs. but they need information and they must continue psycological oppression on Palestinian. there are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israel. they are not even allowed to see their families. so where do you think those Araps they are 'helping' going to? they are going to be tortured like many others if they are really Hamas members. no other option exist. so it is not really help. showing off to world how humane they treat Arabs after killing dozens of kid in couple of days. who took those photographer is not even a journalist who stays in Gaza. that kind of people walk around with Israeli army and took photos whenever they are ordered to do so.

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who are these prisoners ? IDF forces are outside Gaza. Lava do you have any realistic proposals for a peace settlement? what are your conditions?

 

[.lava]

who are these prisoners ? IDF forces are outside Gaza. Lava do you have any realistic proposals for a peace settlement? what are your conditions?

my dream? or reality?

sorry unnecessary question now i see...

Prisoners are people who work as spies and give information to Israel, any people who cooperate with Israel. i don't think they have Israeli prisoner at the moment. i am unsure.

it is too late for peace. there was hope when Hamas was elected. i remember they came to Turkiye (yea make that sandwich now if you can lol) they talked to Erdogan and according to papers they could have dropped weapons. but USA and Israel did not even care about what they would do. they had an attitude like we don't make deals with terrorsits. now no hope for ceasefire.


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[kai]

tell me, is there some kind of unwritten law that says you are free to terrorize people if you are government that's recognized by other nations?

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i am not aware of any unwritten laws saying such , are there any written laws that say you are free to terrorise people if your government is not recognised by other nations.

i think its pretty well known if you fire at Israelis they will fire back written or unwritten.

 

[kai]

my dream? or reality?

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reality , dreams are for dreamers thay can very often turn into nighmares. especially if you eat Vieux Boulogne before you go to bed.


reality please Lava, come on lets see how far apart our realities are

 

[.lava]

i am not aware of any unwritten laws saying such , are there any written laws that say you are free to terrorise people if your government is not recognised by other nations.

i think its pretty well known if you fire at Israelis they will fire back written or unwritten.

that's not the point. Israel is terrorizing Gaza for decades. problem here is that as nations recognize Israel, they also say OK to terror they use as their right. how about that? what makes terror their legal issue and what makes actions of Hamas illegal? this is what i am asking. is it simply because they are not recognized? what's this then? a child's game? ohh i don't recognize you! whatever you do is illegal. i recognize you so you can kill as you like...double standards is not one of our rights yet it seems like it is the spine of Western politics.

i think it is very well known if you fire at Palestinians they will fire back. because they are not the first ones who fired. they respond. Israel is not in the position where it defends itself. this is how we perceive situation.

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[.lava]

reality , dreams are for dreamers thay can very often turn into nighmares. especially if you eat Vieux Boulogne before you go to bed.


reality please Lava, come on lets see how far apart our realities are

i am sorry, i added my earlier post. would you read that?

no dreams, just dust in the wind

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[Breathe]

even though there is not much food in Gaza, YES, Hamas is holding prisoners and feeding them. an eye witness says this that they share very limited food with them.

Israel would never help Hamas or Palestinian.

Sorry, this is wrong. Most Israelis want peace.

they hate Arabs.

This is also wrong. A friend of mine from Israel, Edwar, is an Arab, and has been treated very well.

but they need information and they must continue psycological oppression on Palestinian. there are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israel. they are not even allowed to see their families. so where do you think those Araps they are 'helping' going to? they are going to be tortured like many others if they are really Hamas members.

Tortured? I doubt it. Imprisoned, maybe. But those Arabs they are helping are members of Hamas, no? If so, then they are terrorists, who want the destruction of Israel. I would not be surprised Israel if they left them to die in the tunnels they have dug, but no, Israel is saving them, and I applaud them for that. Yes they may go to prison, but it's better than slowly dying in a collapsed tunnel over a few days.

no other option exist.

Yes there is.
Stop killing Israelis. Stop shooting rockets at them, and then stop whinging when Israel retaliates. Do you expect Israel to let people kill them off?

so it is not really help. showing off to world how humane they treat Arabs after killing dozens of kid in couple of days. who took those photographer is not even a journalist who stays in Gaza. that kind of people walk around with Israeli army and took photos whenever they are ordered to do so.

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Hamas is also to blame. They deliberately put their hideouts and places in urban residences, so if they get attacked, civilians are also at risk.
Don't forget how many Muslim Palestinians have gone into civilian areas of Israel and blown up innocent civilians, including many children. Far more than Israelis who have killed on purpose innocent children.