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Israel attacks gaza strip
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.lava
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Lava, here's Kurdistan, "Courdene", in 60BC.
1721 Curdistan.
i see it says Curdistan on 2nd one but i can't see its borders. second map kinda hurts eyes. i could not find Curdistan in first one, is there name written or do they have any other name?
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gnomon
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I do not think it will end anytime soon.
I also think we may see more conflicts, as there are enough already, in the world as the rise of ethnonationalism continues. The State of Georgia barely holds onto its borders but considering the heavy influence of Russian State one can question how much is true desire for an ethnic state, how much certain groups wish to leave a failing state, etc.
I've never liked states that grant full citizenship to an ethnic/religious/other identity and not to others. In my opinion, that is why we will always have such conflicts. As long as people give greater value to their ethnic heritage over the fact of just being a human being we will never have peace.
Ethnic conflicts make religious conflicts look like a minor tiff in comparison.
Take the issue of the Kurds in Iraq. There are many groups who wish to create a new state centered on the ethnic Kurds. What will this achieve? For one, it will grant autonomy to those people who have been abused and persecuted by other nation states namely Turkey, Iraq and Iran. However, it will most likely increase tensions. I can see Western states allying with the Kurdish state and the rise of any military action could pull in those Western states as well until you have a regional war.......
It seems that the Iraqi Kurds are working to keep the nation of Iraq together and maintain it as a multi-ethnic state. That would be amazing if it can be achieved and far better.
Given that at any time there are dozens of ethnic conflicts going on around the world with many resulting in armed conflict what amazes me is how people use the Israeli-Palestine conflict as the centerpiece of moral measure. That is a joke. Never mind the millions slaughtered in months in Rwanda where outside forces did nothing but when it comes to the Middle East.......oh you better pick a side and prepare to be judged.:sarcastic
No i don't think they could care less about respect which is obvious,do you respect them? whats to respect, that they are going down a dead end alley or they would rather fire a Rocket than feed the people.
How many Arab countries have actually done anything to help the people of Palestine
dose'nt take long to think about it,all thats been offered is the Ayatollah Konemi(spelling) spewing more hatred,Hezbollah "we're ready for Israel" is just not helpful,Palestine is a Donkey that carries all the hatred for America and Israel.
You say i am arrogant to mention respect,well respect is not given it is earned and you cannot earn respect through violence.
However i do agree that Israel should give territory back to Palestinians but how can they,trust is the major factor here,lets say Israel cedes land to Palestine and opens the border and lets supplies in,you me and the world and his wife know what would happen next.
Israeli offensive prompts pro-Gaza rallies | Reuters
gnomon
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Sounds interesting.
I'm wondering if the Israeli government would consider turning complete control over the airport and coastline to the Palestinians in Gaza. Doubtful as long as Hamas is in power.
A radical idea might be the acquisition of the Gaza strip by Egypt. That's not very likely.
I doubt Israel is willing to give up any feeling of security by either method but relinquishing complete authority over the Gaza strip could be strong lead to further peace efforts. While it is about the third the size of Hong Kong in both land and population sole autonomy would probably prove better for the Palestinians in Gaza for economic reasons. There is also the issue of whether or not Israel would accept such a thing over their fear of the development of a Palestinian state.
I don't know.
Israel says it had to safeguard the lives in towns bordering the strip. Palestinians, and many others, believe the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also ordered the raids to achieve what his government had failed to achieve through other means: the removal from power of Hamas. This is the American philosophy which they used on iraq. Symply because you feel threatned from someone or you feel they are a danger to you, you murder them and slaughter them even though they had not claimed war against you or even considered firing rockets onto your land.
Is this hamas?
or this?
these are innocent children who were striped away from there lives wich they could have lived. Any crazy person could not simply believe that these little children could possibly fire rockets or even hold a gun.what were they thinking.
Even after al the losses i am still happy with what we have acieved.Israel has failed their main objective since day one hamas have fired over 10 rockets on to the israeli occupied land. Meaning the have not iliminated the security threat or danger on which they are exposed to.
Is this hamas?
or this?
these are innocent children who were striped away from there lives wich they could have lived. Any crazy person could not simply believe that these little children could possibly fire rockets or even hold a gun.what were they thinking.
Even after al the losses i am still happy with what we have acieved.Israel has failed their main objective since day one hamas have fired over 10 rockets on to the israeli occupied land. Meaning the have not iliminated the security threat or danger on which they are exposed to.
yes i agree with you there are some arab nations who are not supporing the plaestinians in any way and some infact are fighting against them. However hezbollah or any arab countrey cannot simply go and claim war on israel most probably begining a third world war. You think thats easy as you follow te isreali and american philosophy of "kill everyone before they kill you". Were trying to solve the problem not make it worse. Suplies containing food, health aids and water have come from many arab countries such as qatar. That is probably the most we can d right now.
kai
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Israel says it had to safeguard the lives in towns bordering the strip. Palestinians, and many others, believe the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also ordered the raids to achieve what his government had failed to achieve through other means: the removal from power of Hamas. This is the American philosophy which they used on iraq. Symply because you feel threatned from someone or you feel they are a danger to you, you murder them and slaughter them even though they had not claimed war against you or even considered firing rockets onto your land.
Is this hamas?
or this?
these are innocent children who were striped away from there lives wich they could have lived. Any crazy person could not simply believe that these little children could possibly fire rockets or even hold a gun.what were they thinking.
Israel has failed their main objective since day one hamas have fired over 10 rockets on to the israeli occupied land. Meaning the have not iliminated the security threat or danger on which they are exposed to.
the pictures show exactly what "you" have achieved, death ,martyrdom? be proud very proud as you bury your dead with your self rightousness, hold your head high you just might block out the crying.
War is commonly a solution of failed negotations. War is not pretty. War is not nice. War is sometimes very necessary. Lives will be lost, the guilty and the innocent. My heart mourns for all the lives that are being lost, the destruction, fear and chaos. The people of Israel and the people of Palestine are beautiful people. People do not always get along. Some people can choose a side to stand on, others watch from a distance. May the Star of David continue to shine brightly.
What is Hama's philosophy? well we all know that one ,i notice you are happy with whats been achieved,forgive me perhaps i need an eye test,what has been achieved except getting their own people killed because they hide behind them.
Hezbollah are already involved and their ideal would be to draw Israel into attacking the Lebanon because Lebanon has a security pact with Iran.
As for supplies,water and food are probably taking a back seat to weapons,people say ahh the poor Palestinians but name one constructive thing they are trying to do,someone else in this thread said the Palestinians are Hamas well if they are they are all fools.
Iran to Arabs: Now time to act over Gaza attacks | Reuters They wish to stir up a storm but its only in a tea cup,the Arab league are not interested in their agenda.
The funny thing is ...
When Hamas kill Israelis, so they are definitely targeting them for the heck of it, or maybe because they just love to kill civilians?!!!!!!
But in the other hand, when Israel kill civilians, people say Hamas must have used those civilians as shields, so if Israel killed them, it's not their fault!!!!!!!
So funny!
When Hamas kill Israelis, so they are definitely targeting them for the heck of it, or maybe because they just love to kill civilians?!!!!!!
But in the other hand, when Israel kill civilians, people say Hamas must have used those civilians as shields, so if Israel killed them, it's not their fault!!!!!!!
So funny!
Elessar
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There is not a single significant military target in Sderot, which has seen nearly daily missile attacks for three YEARS, and I personally know people who have been maimed permanently by the rockets, and the Messianic synagogue there was damaged almost beyond repair TWICE by the rockets, once two years ago, and once two months ago.
And Palestinians should talk; no one ever speaks of the suppression of Israel's Messianic Jews, or the suppression of Modern Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstruction Judaism there, as well. Maybe if moderate religion were not suppressed by the Conservative Orthodox, Israel might be more moderate.
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I think the difference is Hamas have'nt a clue where their Rockets will land the Israel does and thats why one of Hamas's leaders is no longer with us,anyway i don't see it as funny,sad definately.
silvermoon383
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In my view, what the area needs is for a 3rd party to get in there, install themselves as a shield between the Israelites and Palestinians and act as a mediator between the two. That's what teachers would do back in high school when a fight broke out.
But who would you find that is unbiased and reliable not to take sides?
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
This sounds like a job for extraterrestrials!
Seriously, who else could be unbiased in this?
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