Yes that is my wonder too. I don't like the latest developments, especially the UN having problems getting into Gaza because of the Israelies. That is not good. At the moment the rocket coming out of Lebanon looks like the work of someone other than Hezbellah, and I hope it was. I really don't like the idea of them getting involved.
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Israel attacks gaza strip
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I agree its not good at all,Israel should know better by now that a ground incursion would not be the right choice,although the UN is totally useless the right channels must be used,after all isn't that what the UN is for.
Israel have been a bit naive and a lot reckless in this mess
I do not think it was Hezbollah but i think they knew about it,Hezbollah are better trained and armed compared to Hamas but they are not invincible,however i really hope that this does'nt esculate.
And that is another possible scenario, the Russian are already using the natural gas supplied to Europe to dictate political directions, this is a better option, good one challupa.
The best outcome for this situation is to have a party that can implement whatever international decision that is made the UN is powerless, the US and the Israelites unwilling, Russia with it new found prestige and the control of the natural gas pipe lines to Europe can do it without the need for military action, Israel must be made to show reasons for it existence as a state in the land that they are occupying and must seek the Arabs approval/agreement or they will never stop trying to regain what was their land.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Why should Israel bother? Its their land, thansands of them died to save that land. Whatever claim the Arabs had to that land was void when they started a war.
The Arabs need to suck it up. Look what their war to get their land back is doing to the civilian population.
kai
ragamuffin
Russia is a bully and is a threat to peace in europe,
Israel does not need to show anyone reasons for its existance its a sovereign state recognised by the UN. and there is no way the Palestinians can form a viable Palestinian state without a great deal of help and continued assitance from Israel.
it isn't russia that controls the gas to europe its the ukraine where all gas from russia to europe goes,i would ask you,do you think you should show reasons for your existence,no of course not
They can do it with the help of the so called Arab world, the problem is what should it capital be? This situation will not be settled till the Palestinians see justice done, that include a reason for the Zionist state existence, it legality, that is the only non violent solution, as they saying goes, loosing a battle does not mean that the war is lost, it will go on and on.
Its a UN sanctioned bonifide state and has been for years what more do you need
They possess a mean of implementation that does not contain a military action, if there is no compliance there is no gas supplies.
But only the Ukraine can do that as all the gas goes through there and they are not on good terms with Russia
As I have said before the UN is the most useless institution ever founded, who complies with it rulings? They did not approved of the Iraq action, the EU didnt, who cared? the Use went ahead, they want a cease fire, who cares what they want? Do they have any power of implementation? Who gives a hoot for the UN these days?
Israel trusts Hamas: when the latter speaks of eradicating Israel takes this with absolute seriousness and views the terrorist build-up on its border as a very real existential threat. The presumption is that anything that (a) disrupts Hamas' ongoing efforts to qualitatively and quantitatively enhance its weapons stockpile and (b) places firmly on the agenda the need to effectively police the borders will have a net positive effect on the safety of Israel.
They may be wrong, but the people of Sderot and the Western Negev think differently.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Gaza is the home of a sovereign people who have every right to rule them selves with an elected government that might be unpopular to the western world.
They, like all sovereign people, have the right to arm them selves and to use those arms in their defence.
Israel has defined their own defence so as to permit the attacking their enemies, in a pro-active way. That being so they can not deny the same right to the Palestinians own government.
Israel has always maintained their right to a tit for tat response. This is no different to that pursued by the various Palestinian leaderships since the formation of Israel.
The one can not be thought Terrorist any more than the other. Both started as Terrorist groups and both continue with the fight.
The only Nation formed at that time, that has shown any peaceful and non aggressive intent has been Jordan.
They, like all sovereign people, have the right to arm them selves and to use those arms in their defence.
Israel has defined their own defence so as to permit the attacking their enemies, in a pro-active way. That being so they can not deny the same right to the Palestinians own government.
Israel has always maintained their right to a tit for tat response. This is no different to that pursued by the various Palestinian leaderships since the formation of Israel.
The one can not be thought Terrorist any more than the other. Both started as Terrorist groups and both continue with the fight.
The only Nation formed at that time, that has shown any peaceful and non aggressive intent has been Jordan.
EiNsTeiN
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Well, those objectives weren't actually accomplished through the war...And I think people of Sderot and Western Negev think so too..
Just to lighten the mood a little here today. This video touched me and I wish we could learn as humans too. A wonderful day to everyone.
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Elessar
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If an entity has territory which is indisputably under their control, a clear, established government and bureaucracy, and a loyal military made up of citizens to defend it, then it is a state, regardless of the opinions of any other entity.
Conversely, if an entity has no territory indisputably under their control, no clearly established government or bureaucracy, nor loyal military made up of citizens to defend it, it is not a state, regardless of the opinions of any other entity.
"Legitimacy" is a lie invented by European politicians who wanted to dominate the world.
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