Israel attacks gaza strip

[EiNsTeiN]

Just to lighten the mood a little here today. This video touched me and I wish we could learn as humans too. A wonderful day to everyone.

YouTube - The Animal Odd Couple

That was nice ...Thanks!

 

[Caladan]

Gaza is the home of a sovereign people who have every right to rule them selves with an elected government that might be unpopular to the western world.
They, like all sovereign people, have the right to arm them selves and to use those arms in their defence.

And now lets get back to the real world.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

And now lets get back to the real world.

Well, from a Palestinian percepective, this is the real world.

 

[Caladan]

Well, from a Palestinian percepective, this is the real world.

Is it?

Gaza is the home of a sovereign people

while recent times gave us the creation of the PA, there is still work to be done in order to establish a sovereign independent Palestinian state.

have every right to rule them selves with an elected government that might be unpopular to the western world.

That is Utopian (or dystopian...), if their self elected government is a terror organization that is actively engaged in terrorism it puts itself as a legitimate target.

they, like all sovereign people, have the right to arm them selves and to use those arms in their defence.

Anyone who has a little grasp of the development of the Israeli-Palestinian issue is aware that at a certain point Israel has helped the Palestinians erect an ARMED force, Israel has even supplied the weapons, ideally it was to maintain order in the Palestinian territories by the Palestinians themselves, but if we have a terror organization which openly declares its goal is the 'obliteration of Israel', they have no right to arm themselves, nor to use these arms, without facing the consequences.

 

[DallasApple]

I can't see how the war is protecting israeli civilians...After 12 days, nothing changed...just more of the palestinian misery.

I dont understand why the Hamas leaders have not stopped as of yesterday firing rockets into Israel.They are clearly losing this battle.Isnt it time to wave the white flag ?

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Because the resolution didn't include any of Hamas's requirments for a ceasefire...and actually, Hamas are not losing the battle as you might think..

The only losers there are the palestinian civilians and Israel!
I bet Hamas had put the Israeli government in an embarrassing situation...After 12 days of war, Israel is not even close from accomplishing its goals...IDF just made some lives there more misrable..

Edit:
This doesn't mean by anyway that I'm supporting Hamas's decision..

 

[DallasApple]

Because the resolution didn't include any of Hamas's requirments for a ceasefire...and actually, Hamas are not losing the battle as you might think..

The only losers there are the palestinian civilians and Israel!
I bet Hamas had put the Israeli government in an embarrassing situation...After 12 days of war, Israel is not even close from accomplishing its goals...IDF just made some lives there more misrable..

Edit:
This doesn't mean by anyway that I'm supporting Hamas's decision..

But they are losing.Civilians.I dont know if its "on purpose" or not that all these regular people and children are getting blown up everyday.But if you ask me..thats losing.

If Im firing bullets at you..and Im holdign a gun..You pull out your gun in self defense and start shooting back..You keep missing me but you are killing my brothers and sisters and children and parents .And you say drop your gun.quit firing at me ...I dont say..Im not losing! I still have my gun! Im going to keep shooting at you as long as Im still holding a gun.

I would drop my weapon to protect my people.What are the weapons for in the first damn place! Its to protect and defend the PEOPLE!!!!

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

But they are losing.Civilians.I dont know if its "on purpose" or not that all these regular people and children are getting blown up everyday.But if you ask me..thats losing.

If Im firing bullets at you..and Im holdign a gun..You pull out your gun in self defense and start shooting back..You keep missing me but you are killing my brothers and sisters and children and parents .And you say drop your gun.quit firing at me ...I dont say..Im not losing! I still have my gun! Im going to keep shooting at you as long as Im still holding a gun.

I would drop my weapon to protect my people.What are the weapons for in the first damn place! Its to protect and defend the PEOPLE!!!!

Love

Dallas

Yeah, you are totally right..I too believe Hamas should give up fighting for the sake of its people..

I'm not sure about my political analysis, but I'm just guessing..

I think Hamas is really embarrasing Israel, because now it's very clear that the Israeli military solution didn't work..

Hamas wants Israel to proceed with the military process (as long as it's not really working), because if Hamas accepted the resolution, Israel would win, while Hamas would lose everything.
While if the war proceeded, Israel's situation would be more awkward; just killing more civilians and escalating the humanitarian crisis without really harming Hamas..

I don't know how the Israeli government was thinking, I'm sure they knew all this is gonna happen!

If Ehud Barak really thought he is gonna get rid of Hamas this way, then he is very stupid (no offense!)

I really hope Hamas is more caring about its own people..

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Because the resolution didn't include any of Hamas's requirments for a ceasefire...and actually, Hamas are not losing the battle as you might think..

The only losers there are the palestinian civilians and Israel!

That may very well be the case.

May I ask which Hamas requirement or requirements you consider legitimate?

 

[DallasApple]

I bet Hamas had put the Israeli government in an embarrassing situation...

Well..I hope the Hamas "winning" the bet of embarrasing the Israeli government is worth all the funerals they will be attending.I hope its worth the 800,000 or so people who will be living with out power or clean water to drink or regular meals or decent medical care for God only knows how long.

Thats a lot of sufferring people to have the nerve to claim they arent "losing".In fact its insanity IMHO.

Love

Dallas

 

[challupa]

Well..I hope the Hamas "winning" the bet of embarrasing the Israeli government is worth all the funerals they will be attending.I hope its worth the 800,000 or so people who will be living with out power or clean water to drink or regular meals or decent medical care for God only knows how long.

Thats a lot of sufferring people to have the nerve to claim they arent "losing".In fact its insanity IMHO.

Love

Dallas

Dallas war is insane imo. Keeps the arms dealer rich though:banghead3

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Well, we can't claim anything now..The next few days are going to reveal much...
I'm certain the "next few days" are going to be too long for people living there, so lets just pray for them..

 

[DallasApple]

Hamas wants Israel to proceed with the military process (as long as it's not really working), because if Hamas accepted the resolution, Israel would win, while Hamas would lose everything.
While if the war proceeded, Israel's situation would be more awkward; just killing more civilians and escalating the humanitarian crisis without really harming Hamas..

I don't know how the Israeli government was thinking, I'm sure they knew all this is gonna happen!

Hamas is out for who's best interest then?Its sounds like they are using their own people as pawns.Sacrificing at this point regualr people knowingly in order not to "lose" and to embarrass Israel.

With a government like that?..Who needs outside enemies ?

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

That may very well be the case.

May I ask which Hamas requirement or requirements you consider legitimate?

Ending the blockade is one, and backing off to the 1967 borders is another one..

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Hamas is out for who's best interest then?Its sounds like they are using their own people as pawns.Sacrificing at this point regualr people knowingly in order not to "lose" and to embarrass Israel.

With a government like that?..Who needs outside enemies ?

Love

Dallas

I'm afraid the Palestinian people know this and are willing to sacrify..

I've met some civilians here in Egyptian hospitals, and they all wanted to recover soon and get back to Gaza and defend their lands against the IDF!..Weird spirit I saw there!

I'm not sure about any of these, I'm just guessing based on my historical background of Arabic nations...(I know stuff like these occured in Egypt during the British occupation)

 

[DallasApple]

I'm afraid the Palestinian people know this and are willing to sacrify..

I've met some civilians here in Egyptian hospitals, and they all wanted to recover soon and get back to Gaza and defend their lands against the IDF!..Weird spirit I saw there!

I'm not sure about any of these, I'm just guessing based on my historical background of Arabic nations...(I know stuff like these occured in Egypt during the British occupation)

Sigh..thats fine then ..but give up your children.Let the adults volunteer to sacrifice for a government that apparently cares nothing about preserving your very life here on earth.

And we are only talking about the dead ones..What about the mamed for life?Physically and emotionally ...

Love

Dallas

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Sigh..thats fine then ..but give up your children.Let the adults volunteer to sacrifice for a government that apparently cares nothing about preserving your very life here on earth.

And we are only talking about the dead ones..What about the mamed for life?Physically and emotionally ...

Love

Dallas

Lets pray for the best for everyone..

At least Hamas is becoming more ethical than Israel which is "intentionally" targetting civilians to force Hamas accept the UN truce, which would be declared as a political win of Israel over Hamas. It's like Israel is trying to reach the number of casualities that would let Hamas give up the battle!!...Totally dirty!

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

This article is even more telling than the last.

UN levels war crimes warning at Israel over shelling of evacuee house in Zeitoun | World news | guardian.co.uk

How could you tell people to evacuate to a specific place for their "safety" then shell the exact spot you told them to go to? I mean, ***?! I guess they weren't really targeting them? Shelling happened on its own? Or maybe Hamas secretly found a way to infiltrate the safe-house and causing IDF to react?

See this is the kind of stuff that's going on why people are so mad. Einstein I think I disagree with you about Hamas' intentions. I do not believe they continue to shell Israel for the sake of embarrassment, although it is starting to have that effect. They do it because what else do you do? They are not secure in the idea that if they totally disarm that Israel will leave them in peace, and who can blame them? When you apparently are killing civilians on purpose, how can I trust your word that you are on the up and up when it comes to your end of the bargain? I can't trust it. Hamas and the people of Gaza can't trust that. They will not give up because simply it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Who wants to gravel at Israel's feet every time they need something? Beg them to open the corridor into Gaza so they can get essentials. Israel has made it very clear to me, if it isn't clear to anyone else, that they mean to kill those people. Bomb them until there's nothing left.

Israel claims they must kill the civilians because Hamas hides among them. I don't accept that. Even if that is so, there's something in war called tactics and strategies. Get up close and personal then. That's what your foot soldiers are for. If Hamas is standing behind 100 kindergarteners you don't shrug your shoulders and say F** it, plow through the kids. You get out of your tanks, go on foot, and get them up close. They won't because they are afraid to lose their own lives and the support of the Israeli citizens will diminish drastically if their children start returning to them in body bags.

Like with the school incident. If they thought hamas guys were in there, instead of shelling indiscriminately, set up some snipers on the rooftops covering all exits to the building. Then throw a smoke bomb or some tear gas into it. Wait for Hamas to come out them bam, shoot them in the head, no kid deaths necessary. But no no, had to kill the kids right?

I'm really angry. How do they or anyone supporting Israel justify sending people to a safe-house of your choosing, then bombing said house after they all get in there? There is no reasoning anyone can give me or present to me that makes that even slightly okay.

 

[Sajdah]

See this is the kind of stuff that's going on why people are so mad. Einstein I think I disagree with you about Hamas' intentions. I do not believe they continue to shell Israel for the sake of embarrassment, although it is starting to have that effect. They do it because what else do you do? They are not secure in the idea that if they totally disarm that Israel will leave them in peace, and who can blame them? When you apparently are killing civilians on purpose, how can I trust your word that you are on the up and up when it comes to your end of the bargain? I can't trust it. Hamas and the people of Gaza can't trust that. They will not give up because simply it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

That's right, plus zionists don't listen to anyone but themselves, and it's very obvious from ignoring the call of UN for ceasefire.

I'm really angry. How do they or anyone supporting Israel justify sending people to a safe-house of your choosing, then bombing said house after they all get in there? There is no reasoning anyone can give me or present to me that makes that even slightly okay

They are zionists so it's okay for them to do everything, In addition people find many excuses for them EASILY.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Einstein I think I disagree with you about Hamas' intentions. I do not believe they continue to shell Israel for the sake of embarrassment, although it is starting to have that effect. They do it because what else do you do? They are not secure in the idea that if they totally disarm that Israel will leave them in peace, and who can blame them? When you apparently are killing civilians on purpose, how can I trust your word that you are on the up and up when it comes to your end of the bargain? I can't trust it. Hamas and the people of Gaza can't trust that. They will not give up because simply it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Who wants to gravel at Israel's feet every time they need something? Beg them to open the corridor into Gaza so they can get essentials. Israel has made it very clear to me, if it isn't clear to anyone else, that they mean to kill those people. Bomb them until there's nothing left.

I totally agree with you...I was never with the idea of disarming Hamas, and I believe any peace agreement that requires disarming Hamas is a stupid trial. Hamas doesn't have any gauruntees that would make her trust Israel (not for the sake of Hamas, but rather for the sake of Palestinians).
Hamas knows very well that it won't be the winner in this war (military wise), thats why I believe the war is becoming more political, and Hamas wants to keep it so.

In fact, for the moment, Hamas has no option but to continue fighting..

I'm really angry. How do they or anyone supporting Israel justify sending people to a safe-house of your choosing, then bombing said house after they all get in there? There is no reasoning anyone can give me or present to me that makes that even slightly okay.

You've got all the right to be angry..