Israel attacks gaza strip

[Luminous]

And it's a disaster for a country like Egypt to consider Hamas a more dangerous threat than Israel.

NO, its not paranoid. Israel is never going to do anything to Egypt unless war.
Hamas wants to kill all nonmuslims and rule through HAMASHARIA LAW. What ever they say is what God wants. yeah right. >:-&

 

[Elessar]

And it's a disaster for a country like Egypt to consider Hamas a more dangerous threat than Israel.

I'd like to see how a nation less than 1/10 the size of Egypt in both area and population, with more freedom for Muslims than is freedom for Christians or Jews in Egypt, which has a formal treaty with Egypt and which has never, ever violated a formal treaty, is any threat to Egypt. While, Hamas, an Islamist organization, is very real threat to the institutionalized secular government of Egypt, as all Islamists are.

EDIT: Heck, Egypt's population is over five times the population of ALL Jews on the ENTIRE PLANET.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Nice answer, but what will they get in return for any peace deal that only concedes to the demands of Israel, without having any of its issues addressed or dealt with? People keep saying just stop the rockets, and I would agree with that, but still how is peace achieved only from one side? Since Israel is steadfast in that it will not give in to any demand Hamas makes no matter what it is, I wonder how Palestinians are to agree to that? In essence when Israel states that it will not even consider any demands Hamas puts forward, it is saying to the Palestinians that it is not there concern whether they live or die in that strip. They can rot there for all Israel cares as long as no rockets get fired into Israel.

EDIT: I should have quoted Jay's answer for this is a reply to his last post.

 

[Sahar]

I'd like to see how a nation less than 1/10 the size of Egypt in both area and population, with more freedom for Muslims than is freedom for Christians or Jews in Egypt, which has a formal treaty with Egypt and which has never, ever violated a formal treaty, is any threat to Egypt. While, Hamas, an Islamist organization, is very real threat to the institutionalized secular government of Egypt, as all Islamists are.

ha...
It's enough to know that Israel has nuclear power and weapons. This is a threat to any neighboring country. There is not a country that can tolerate the presence of a nuclear neighbor country except by balancing this power. The imbalance of powers that Israel creates in the region threatens every country in the region. And the Arab countries have no strategic vision regarding this matter.
If Egypt considers Hamas a threat more than Israel, then the current Egyptian political leadership is playing with our national security.
And the sweet talk of "a nation less than 1/10 the size of Egypt" is naive. Israel is superior to Egypt hundreds of times on the military level. The young child knows that Israel has one of the strongest armies in the world.
What is Hamas compared to Israel?!!!

 

[Luminous]

ha...
It's enough to know that Israel has nuclear power and weapons. This is a threat to any neighboring country. There is not a country that can tolerate the presence of a nuclear neighbor country except by balancing this power. The imbalance of powers that Israel creates in the region threatens every country in the region. And the Arab countries have no strategic vision regarding this matter.
If Egypt considers Hamas a threat more than Israel, then the current Egyptian political system is playing with our national security.
And the sweet talk of "a nation less than 1/10 the size of Egypt" is naive. Israel is superior to Egypt hundreds of times on the military level. The young child knows that Israel has one of the strongest armies in the world.
What is Hamas compared to Israel?!!!

a terrorist group. Who want to Iradicate Secularism and therefor damaging democracy. they want to force people to do what they say is what God likes. Well they are liars and know nothing of God. Just because Israel is the best and strongest nation in the middle east doesn't mean that it has to stop making angry people feel weak.

 

[TashaN]

From my perspective, any organization committed to terrorism and the eradication of Israel is a wholly illegitimate existential threat.

And from my own perspective, Israel is the biggest threat in the region along with Iran.

For the sake of the Palestinian people.

To stop fighting for the sake of the Palestinian people? Israel never stopped building new settlements and it didn't stop from stealing more lands from the Palestinians. You think Israel will have mercy on the Palestinians when Hamas stop?

Yasir Arafat has said it before he died, if you [Israel] didn't deal with me so you will deal after me with people who will be far more conservative than me.

And i say today, as many experts have said recently, if Israel and the world as a whole didn't recognize and deal with Hamas, so this will cause a more extreme people/organization "from a western perspective" to emerge because they [Palestinians] saw what happened to those who wanted peace before them. Believe it or not, Hamas is just the one in charge today, deal with them or face the consequences.

The same happened in Iraq, they wanted to get rid of Saddam, look what happened after that?

Aside from the puppet leaders in the middle east, Israel after all this time still can't understand middle eastern people will to fight till death for their right to live with dignity?

"Even when we seek revenge, it is important to make one thing clear – the life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs.

"The Talmud states that if gentiles rob Israel of silver they will pay it back in gold, and all that is taken will be paid back in folds, but in cases like these there is nothing to pay back, since as I said – the life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs," added Rabbi Eliyahu.



http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3527410,00.html

I think they are about to reach that number. Those who were killed are 800+. They still have to give it a little push.

History will repeat itself but people will remain living the dream of absolute control. The future will give them a very harsh lesson and they will realize it but after it's too late for them to restore what they have destroyed by their own hands.

 

[Elessar]

ha...
It's enough to know that Israel has nuclear power and weapons. This is a threat to any neighboring country. There is not a country that can tolerate the presence of a nuclear neighbor country except by balancing this power. The imbalance of powers that Israel creates in the region threatens every country in the region. And the Arab countries have no strategic vision regarding this matter.
If Egypt considers Hamas a threat more than Israel, then the current Egyptian political leadership is playing with our national security.
And the sweet talk of "a nation less than 1/10 the size of Egypt" is naive. Israel is superior to Egypt hundreds of times on the military level. The young child knows that Israel has one of the strongest armies in the world.
What is Hamas compared to Israel?!!!

Actually, it isn't a threat to neighboring countries because no one would drop a nuke on a country right next to their own, because the radiation would spread into their own country. Only people ever to use nuclear weapons dropped them on a country a long, long way away.

And Israel is not that superior to Egypt, at least technology wise (I won't speak about training) - Egypt gets even more military aid from the United States than Israel does. If Israel decided to conquer Egypt, could it? Of course not! US can't even conquer Iraq and it's 1/10 the size of US, so how could Israel conquer Egypt, which is 10 times its size?

 

[Elessar]

Aside from the puppet leaders in the middle east, Israel after all this time still can't understand middle eastern people will to fight till death for their right to live with dignity.

And you still can't understand that Israel and Judaism are just as Middle Eastern as Arabia and Islam, and they will fight to the death against what they see as threats to their right to live with dignity.

 

[Sahar]

And from my own perspective, Israel is the biggest threat in the region along with Iran.

What the heck?!! :areyoucra Faisal, what are you saying?!!

 

[TashaN]

And you still can't understand that Israel and Judaism are just as Middle Eastern as Arabia and Islam, and they will fight to the death against what they see as threats to their right to live with dignity.

Most of them came either from Russia or Europe, at least those who are in power.

 

[TashaN]

What the heck?!! :areyoucra Faisal, what are you saying?!!

I don't want to go off-topic. We can sort this out somewhere else.

 

[Luminous]

Israel after all this time still can't understand middle eastern people will to fight till death for their right to live with dignity?

So will the peopel of the secular republic of Israel and the secular republic of the United States of America shall be by their side as they fight for their dignity and against terrorists. the only thing i don't like is that their army and generals are composed of Zionist Jews. War is always falt of Radicals.
Peace will only come when no one has a reason to fear.

 

[Luminous]

Most of them came either from Russia or Europe, at least those who are in power.

those who got elected you mean. so. they are still Israelies. what you want them to do? "go back to Russia or Europe" please...

 

[kai]

can anyone honestly with all their heart tell me that Hamas have the wishes of the Palestinian people as their first priority?

isnt it the case that if Hamas was to lay down its arms and seak a political solution to this decades old unwinable war that peace would prevail that there would be massive investment in palestine and that the Palestinian people would benefit a thousand fold.

just what is the priority of Hamas and Arabs in general ?a viable Palestinian state which has been at their fingertips for sometime now or war?

please dont insult our intelligence by saying that Hamas is protecting the Palestinians. Come on it all just doesnt add up.

 

[Elessar]

Most of them came either from Russia or Europe, at least those who are in power.

Those in power, yes, but you cannot blame the Sephardim, the majority, who have little power yet are the majority of Israelis, who came almost entirely from Arab and Muslim nations, for the actions of the radical Ashkenazim who rule the nation, nor can you classify them as mere "Europeans" due to the Ashkenazim who run the country. Even the Ashkenazim, though, have this sense of dignity, of honor, that comes from being of among the sons of Shem, even from being gone from the Middle East for the last millennia; sometimes, I know even assimilationist Jews in the U.S. who are areligious, light-skinned and Americanized who act more like an Arab than like a German or Briton.

We are both the sons of Shem, Arab and Jew are blood brothers, and until that fact is accepted by both sides, there will still be bloodshed between us.

 

[.lava]

We are both the sons of Shem, Arab and Jew are blood brothers, and until that fact is accepted by both sides, there will still be bloodshed between us.

thank you, Elessar. it means so much to hear this from you

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[TashaN]

Those in power, yes, but you cannot blame the Sephardim, the majority, who have little power yet are the majority of Israelis, who came almost entirely from Arab and Muslim nations, for the actions of the radical Ashkenazim who rule the nation, nor can you classify them as mere "Europeans" due to the Ashkenazim who run the country. Even the Ashkenazim, though, have this sense of dignity, of honor, that comes from being of among the sons of Shem, even from being gone from the Middle East for the last millennia; sometimes, I know even assimilationist Jews in the U.S. who are areligious, light-skinned and Americanized who act more like an Arab than like a German or Briton.

We are both the sons of Shem, Arab and Jew are blood brothers, and until that fact is accepted by both sides, there will still be bloodshed between us.

I agree, and i take my words back if i have offended you in anyway. You just have to know that our problems is with the Zionists in particular, who used all what they could do to drive Jews from other places and push them into this state called Israel whether they like it or just been forced to do so. Of course, except those Jews who were already living there since ages with their Arab brothers and sisters.

 

[Elessar]

I agree, and i take my words back if i have offended you in anyway. You just have to know that our problems is with the Zionists in particular, who used all what they could do to drive Jews from other places and push them into this state called Israel whether they like it or just been forced to do so. Of course, except those Jews who were already living there since ages with their Arab brothers and sisters.

See, here's another problem we have - a language barrier. I had a book once - Among the Righteous: Lost Stories from the Holocaust's Long Reach into Arab Lands by Robert Satloff. While, primarily, it is about exactly what the title says, the stories of Sephardi Jews arrested and annihilated in the Holocaust (often forgotten by history due to the much larger Ashkenazi deathcount), and the Arabs who saved thousands of Jewish lives during that dark time.

In a tangent, though, during the book, Satloff (a Jewish-American neoconservative, who is one of the preeminant American scholars on the Arab World) speaks about a friend of his, an Egyptian Muslim (I cannot remember the name, even if he told it), who said, "It is not Israel or the Jews I am against, it's Zionists". He then goes into the absurdity of this statement in English. A "zionist" in normal English simply means someone who favors a Jewish homeland in the Land of Israel, and that's all it means to anyone who speaks English natively. A "zionist" in Arabic, however, if I remember correctly, means exactly what you intend it to mean - an anti-Arab or anti-Muslim bigot who sees European-Jewish culture as better than Middle Eastern.

The latter certainly does exist, and they do have power and influence in Israel (though not absolute power or overwhelming influence). But, in English, they're not called "zionists", they're called "bigots" and "racists", at least in the English-speaking Jewish-American community, or, in nicer terms, "Eurocentrists". And these are as denounced in the Jewish-American community as any Israeli is - the problem comes, therefore, when you say "I'm anti-zionist", meaning the Arabic sense of racism, and it feels like an attack to American Jews, most of them zionists in the English sense, of simple support for a Jewish homeland in Israel.

 

[England my lionheart]

Most of them came either from Russia or Europe, at least those who are in power.

Does the fact that they came from Europe make such a difference,we have MPs here who come from different countries yet they are still British.

 

[England my lionheart]

Nice answer, but what will they get in return for any peace deal that only concedes to the demands of Israel, without having any of its issues addressed or dealt with? People keep saying just stop the rockets, and I would agree with that, but still how is peace achieved only from one side? Since Israel is steadfast in that it will not give in to any demand Hamas makes no matter what it is, I wonder how Palestinians are to agree to that? In essence when Israel states that it will not even consider any demands Hamas puts forward, it is saying to the Palestinians that it is not there concern whether they live or die in that strip. They can rot there for all Israel cares as long as no rockets get fired into Israel.

EDIT: I should have quoted Jay's answer for this is a reply to his last post.

The major stumbling block for peace is the Hamas charter,how can you deal with an organisation that is bent on your destruction,they must stop the Rockets which was a stupid but calculated thing to do in the first place and show the world they can convey themselves as a country should which is in the best interest of the People.