fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
Luminous I appreciate your replies, but I would differ with you about the authority of Hamas. I mean, the US and Israel wanted the Gazans to hold an election, and when they picked the party they wanted and not the one US wanted it was denied. What message does that send the Gazans? It sends the message that says, you will obey us or you will stay in the situation you are in and we won't help you, you choose. It sends the message that the process of democracy that is hailed as the greatest government type since sliced bread, doesn't really work.
The sentiment that "we don't deal with terrorists" isn't working here. Continuing to say that you (Hamas) cannot be included directly with any deals, you must let others decide your fate doesn't work. If Israel is truly commited to peace as it claims, you have to try something else. Just like Hamas needs to try something else other than those crude rockets. Hamas has never been tested with their authority being recognized. It was immediately ignored as a terrorist group, but it might be worth everyones time to give them that shot. Give them the opportunity to run the place and see what else they do. You may be surprised that with the business of life, they may become less interested in trying to bomb Israeli towns.
As far as Israel controlling the area forever, that may not be as far fetched as you think. I'm sure they don't want to but they feel they have to. I mean if you lift yor foot off their necks and give them a second to breathe they may retaliate. This is the thing Israel don't want. No retaliation. That's what I think a ceasefire means to them, for the Gazans to just forget everything that happened and never raise arms again no matter the situation. Israel must keep control of the area or risk the rise of power from the Palestinians in that area. With power the Gazans may not be so quick to forgive the wrongs meted out to them. However, you can control people by their stomachs. Keep someone hungry and halfway dependant on you, and you have them. It's not too much they can do to you if they are hungry. The only other option is to kill them all. You may think that extreme and it is, but it's real and the way things are shaping up Israeli government isn't all that opposed to the idea. Think about it as long as they say they aren't targeting civies they can keep killing them anyways. As long as they say Hamas is using them all for human shields they can bomb anyplace they chose, at any time without having to offer up any more of an explanation than that. Before you know it, there isn't anyone left in Gaza worth mentioning, problem solved. Israel can't very well say that's what they are doing and stick to it, but they can get it achieved while the world watches it and does nothing. If not by bomb then by starvation and illness. If the sewers aren't working properly you're talking about diseases just from filth. Not to mention from an Islamic pov clean water is of extreme importance. If not enough medicine can come through people will die from simple complications and illnesses.
In a way yeah. See it's all about the intent. If I am willing to go the way of peace while at the same time having my own authority equal to and independent of you, then I am not a puppet government. I am acting on my own and on the behalf of my people to be peaceful with you. However, if I go the way you want me to because my authority is directly connected with what you allow it to be, then I am a puppet of yours. If the Gazans had chosen such a party to lead them, they would have still got shafted just in a different way. Leaders in puppet governments do only what they are told so that they do not lose whatever perks and the appearance of power that they have. They don't do what is best for their people, because if what the people want conflict with what the puppeteer wants, then the people can forget it. The West Bank government is a puppet government, because it doesn't put up any fight, it has no real authority, and it is afraid to speak out strongly against the murder going on in the strip. In fact it cannot speak out strongly, it must side with Israel pretty much because if not then his bootleg authority gets taken.
The sentiment that "we don't deal with terrorists" isn't working here. Continuing to say that you (Hamas) cannot be included directly with any deals, you must let others decide your fate doesn't work. If Israel is truly commited to peace as it claims, you have to try something else. Just like Hamas needs to try something else other than those crude rockets. Hamas has never been tested with their authority being recognized. It was immediately ignored as a terrorist group, but it might be worth everyones time to give them that shot. Give them the opportunity to run the place and see what else they do. You may be surprised that with the business of life, they may become less interested in trying to bomb Israeli towns.
As far as Israel controlling the area forever, that may not be as far fetched as you think. I'm sure they don't want to but they feel they have to. I mean if you lift yor foot off their necks and give them a second to breathe they may retaliate. This is the thing Israel don't want. No retaliation. That's what I think a ceasefire means to them, for the Gazans to just forget everything that happened and never raise arms again no matter the situation. Israel must keep control of the area or risk the rise of power from the Palestinians in that area. With power the Gazans may not be so quick to forgive the wrongs meted out to them. However, you can control people by their stomachs. Keep someone hungry and halfway dependant on you, and you have them. It's not too much they can do to you if they are hungry. The only other option is to kill them all. You may think that extreme and it is, but it's real and the way things are shaping up Israeli government isn't all that opposed to the idea. Think about it as long as they say they aren't targeting civies they can keep killing them anyways. As long as they say Hamas is using them all for human shields they can bomb anyplace they chose, at any time without having to offer up any more of an explanation than that. Before you know it, there isn't anyone left in Gaza worth mentioning, problem solved. Israel can't very well say that's what they are doing and stick to it, but they can get it achieved while the world watches it and does nothing. If not by bomb then by starvation and illness. If the sewers aren't working properly you're talking about diseases just from filth. Not to mention from an Islamic pov clean water is of extreme importance. If not enough medicine can come through people will die from simple complications and illnesses.
luminous said:
In a way yeah. See it's all about the intent. If I am willing to go the way of peace while at the same time having my own authority equal to and independent of you, then I am not a puppet government. I am acting on my own and on the behalf of my people to be peaceful with you. However, if I go the way you want me to because my authority is directly connected with what you allow it to be, then I am a puppet of yours. If the Gazans had chosen such a party to lead them, they would have still got shafted just in a different way. Leaders in puppet governments do only what they are told so that they do not lose whatever perks and the appearance of power that they have. They don't do what is best for their people, because if what the people want conflict with what the puppeteer wants, then the people can forget it. The West Bank government is a puppet government, because it doesn't put up any fight, it has no real authority, and it is afraid to speak out strongly against the murder going on in the strip. In fact it cannot speak out strongly, it must side with Israel pretty much because if not then his bootleg authority gets taken.
