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Israel attacks gaza strip
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EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
If there is one thing I'm certain of, that would be that Hamas would neve committ to such an act, of using human shields...Say whatever you want about them, but this one thing could never be proved, niether by pictures or so, nor by Hamas'es ideology...
(While I can show you pictures of the IDF using human shields!)
(While I can show you pictures of the IDF using human shields!)
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Einstein, sorry, but this is not true.
YouTube - Hamas - Human Shield Confession
YouTube - Human Shields - Hamas in action
I wish what you said was the case, but it is not..
YouTube - Hamas - Human Shield Confession
YouTube - Human Shields - Hamas in action
I wish what you said was the case, but it is not..
kai
ragamuffin
Hamas admits it uses human shields
YouTube - Hamas admits it uses human shields
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejVJWSTTpY&feature=related
YouTube - Hamas admits it uses human shields
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejVJWSTTpY&feature=related
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That pretty much says it all ... :clap
Ya just can't trust those israelian websites! Hamas, on the other hand ... :clap
More "israelian" news ...
Sarkozy: Israel, Palestinians accepted Egypt-led truce plan
French president reports Israel, Palestinian Authority accepted plan for ceasefire presented by Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak Tuesday. Earlier Wednesday Olmert's office says Israel views dialogue as positive step. Hamas: Truce offer unacceptable
Roni Sofer and AP
Published: 01.07.09, 15:03 / Israel News
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Wednesday Israel and the Palestinian Authority had accepted a truce plan for Gaza announced by Egypt on Tuesday.
"The president is delighted by the acceptance by Israel and the Palestinian Authority of the Franco-Egyptian plan presented last night in Sharm el-Sheikh by President Hosni Mubarak," said a statement from Sarkozy's office.
"The head of state calls for this plan to be implemented as quickly as possible for the suffering of the population to stop."
Also on Wednesday Israel expressed satisfaction with the Egypt and French-led initiatives for a ceasefire in Gaza.
The cabinet convened earlier to discuss the alternatives regarding the fighting, namely either expanding the ground offensive or adopting plans for a truce.
The Prime Minister's Office said following the meeting that "Israel is working to improve the security reality in its southern area and is grateful to the presidents of France and Egypt for their efforts to broker an end to the terror and weapon smuggling emanating from Gaza.
"Israel sees the dialogue between Egyptian and Israel delegates, meant to advance these issues, as positive steps."
Olmert and defense Minister Ehud Barak will send senior representatives to Egypt in order to look into President Hosni Mubarak's offer.
Meanwhile, Osama Hamdan, a Hamas representative in Lebanon, said that the Egyptian-French initiative is unacceptable and that new ideas should be discussed.
Hamdan said, "There is no need to get excited over the Israeli agreement that was published. Israel's objective is to gain time in order to continue its ofensive."
The cabinet ministers heard briefings from senior defense establishment officials on the Gaza campaign, ahead of the conclusion of the second stage of Operation Cast Lead. The cabinet will soon be required to decide whether to expand the military operation in the Strip.
Sarkozy on Wednesday branded the escalation in Gaza "a global problem" and expressed hope that a truce would be reached soon. - source
French president reports Israel, Palestinian Authority accepted plan for ceasefire presented by Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak Tuesday. Earlier Wednesday Olmert's office says Israel views dialogue as positive step. Hamas: Truce offer unacceptable
Roni Sofer and AP
Published: 01.07.09, 15:03 / Israel News
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Wednesday Israel and the Palestinian Authority had accepted a truce plan for Gaza announced by Egypt on Tuesday.
"The president is delighted by the acceptance by Israel and the Palestinian Authority of the Franco-Egyptian plan presented last night in Sharm el-Sheikh by President Hosni Mubarak," said a statement from Sarkozy's office.
"The head of state calls for this plan to be implemented as quickly as possible for the suffering of the population to stop."
Also on Wednesday Israel expressed satisfaction with the Egypt and French-led initiatives for a ceasefire in Gaza.
The cabinet convened earlier to discuss the alternatives regarding the fighting, namely either expanding the ground offensive or adopting plans for a truce.
The Prime Minister's Office said following the meeting that "Israel is working to improve the security reality in its southern area and is grateful to the presidents of France and Egypt for their efforts to broker an end to the terror and weapon smuggling emanating from Gaza.
"Israel sees the dialogue between Egyptian and Israel delegates, meant to advance these issues, as positive steps."
Olmert and defense Minister Ehud Barak will send senior representatives to Egypt in order to look into President Hosni Mubarak's offer.
Meanwhile, Osama Hamdan, a Hamas representative in Lebanon, said that the Egyptian-French initiative is unacceptable and that new ideas should be discussed.
Hamdan said, "There is no need to get excited over the Israeli agreement that was published. Israel's objective is to gain time in order to continue its ofensive."
The cabinet ministers heard briefings from senior defense establishment officials on the Gaza campaign, ahead of the conclusion of the second stage of Operation Cast Lead. The cabinet will soon be required to decide whether to expand the military operation in the Strip.
Sarkozy on Wednesday branded the escalation in Gaza "a global problem" and expressed hope that a truce would be reached soon. - source
Also ...
It would appear that the next stage of the operation will include an even more extensive ground incursion into built-up areas, and this will be at the center of the cabinet meeting this morning.
Meanwhile, the international diplomatic effort being led by the United States, France, Britain and Egypt is still focused on an initiative to deploy an international force of experts and troops that would assist Egyptian authorities in dealing with the tunnel system Hamas has built along the Philadelphi Route, which borders Sinai.
According to a political source in Jerusalem, France and the U.S. are working hard on Egypt to get it to agree to the initiative.
"If a solution is found, we will have no problem in immediately bringing the operation to an end," the Israeli source said.
Quartet envoy Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, told Israel's Channel 2 television on Tuesday that "there will either be a reliable mechanism for preventing smuggling or the operation will continue."
Monday night Sarkozy presented Olmert with the proposal he had discussed with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
The proposal for the deployment of a force of international experts would follow an Egyptian request for assistance.
The authors of the proposal are taking great pains to preserve Egyptian sovereignty and stress the advisory and collaborative role that would be assigned to the international deployment.
The same Israeli source said that Egypt is still reluctant to publicly acknowledge the tunnels problem in Rafah. Egypt claims that more than 300 tunnels have been destroyed during the past year, in spite of the fact that they complain not to have received the specialized equipment promised by the Americans for the task.
Talks are also being held on establishing a Palestinian oversight mechanism on the Gaza side of the border. - source
It will be interesting to see how Mubarak and Abbas deal with fanatic recalcitrance on the part of a Hamas that would much rather fire mortars from behind women and children than feed them.Meanwhile, the international diplomatic effort being led by the United States, France, Britain and Egypt is still focused on an initiative to deploy an international force of experts and troops that would assist Egyptian authorities in dealing with the tunnel system Hamas has built along the Philadelphi Route, which borders Sinai.
According to a political source in Jerusalem, France and the U.S. are working hard on Egypt to get it to agree to the initiative.
"If a solution is found, we will have no problem in immediately bringing the operation to an end," the Israeli source said.
Quartet envoy Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, told Israel's Channel 2 television on Tuesday that "there will either be a reliable mechanism for preventing smuggling or the operation will continue."
Monday night Sarkozy presented Olmert with the proposal he had discussed with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
The proposal for the deployment of a force of international experts would follow an Egyptian request for assistance.
The authors of the proposal are taking great pains to preserve Egyptian sovereignty and stress the advisory and collaborative role that would be assigned to the international deployment.
The same Israeli source said that Egypt is still reluctant to publicly acknowledge the tunnels problem in Rafah. Egypt claims that more than 300 tunnels have been destroyed during the past year, in spite of the fact that they complain not to have received the specialized equipment promised by the Americans for the task.
Talks are also being held on establishing a Palestinian oversight mechanism on the Gaza side of the border. - source
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Wow!....I really was about to believe that Hamas is actually using human shields!!
Why don't you guys have a look again, and FOCUS on what the guys said over there!
There is nothing that says "we hamas use human shields"..
Those people form Human Shields by their own will, just similar to the International Solidarity Movement, where people form human shields (by their OWN will) to stop violence. This is actually considered a noble thing from those volunteers!
This doesnt imply anything...Wrong try!
While check out this picture guys:
Why don't you guys have a look again, and FOCUS on what the guys said over there!
There is nothing that says "we hamas use human shields"..
Those people form Human Shields by their own will, just similar to the International Solidarity Movement, where people form human shields (by their OWN will) to stop violence. This is actually considered a noble thing from those volunteers!
This doesnt imply anything...Wrong try!
While check out this picture guys:
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Never happened.
I dont know whats about the truce plan...Won't reply before reading more about it.
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
well since we moved to posting pictures, here is an interesting and telling video:
YouTube - Armed Palestinian terrorists use children as a human shield
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
According to the BBC, Israel accepted the truce plan, while insisting on the need to negotiate certain terms within..Hamas already declared they are open to accept it after negotiating certain terms...Same situation as I can see..
And Sarkuzy didn't mention Hamas in his statment (he only mentioned Israel and the Palestinian authority), which means nothing because Hamas have to be addressed as well, as they are a basic part of the conflict..
Two more things I read and grapped my attention:
(However Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN relief agency Unwra, said the move did not go far enough. "When you are trying to feed 750,000 people a day in Gaza as we are, you need a permanent ceasefire. You can't do that in a three-hour window," he said.)
(A Hamas spokesman told Al Arabiya television that the group would not launch any missiles at Israeli targets during the lull. )
Thanks
And Sarkuzy didn't mention Hamas in his statment (he only mentioned Israel and the Palestinian authority), which means nothing because Hamas have to be addressed as well, as they are a basic part of the conflict..
Two more things I read and grapped my attention:
(However Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN relief agency Unwra, said the move did not go far enough. "When you are trying to feed 750,000 people a day in Gaza as we are, you need a permanent ceasefire. You can't do that in a three-hour window," he said.)
(A Hamas spokesman told Al Arabiya television that the group would not launch any missiles at Israeli targets during the lull. )
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EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
The video means nothing, you can interpret it in different ways, plus, nothing proves those are Hamas militants..
Are we really going to start publishing videos?!...Because there are tonnes of videos against Israel, and mostly out of topic..
But here is another "clear" video:
YouTube - Palestinian teenager being held as human shield
Videos never prove anything...But if you want to use them as a proof, then I'm fine with that!
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
only if one buries his head deep in the ground.
EiNsTeiN
Boo-h!
Yeah, I can see no objective discussion here...I sent a long post to summurise and discuss all the points of view stated in the thread, giving conclusions and stuff...and just one person responded to that...while the others kept sending the same sort of posts, with no real information added to the discussion...And I'm only giving responses to the stuff you guys keep sending...and as long as u keep sending such stuff (meaningless), expect the same response from me...
You know what?...this is actually a waste of time, and I won't join back unless something real is being discussed..
Regards
You know what?...this is actually a waste of time, and I won't join back unless something real is being discussed..
Regards
Hamas threat to kill Jewish children | Metro.co.uk
Their bravery astounds me,how sad this is
Their bravery astounds me,how sad this is
tomspug
Absorbant
I think that the truth of the situation is slowly being revealed. You have Hamas, who continually asks for the WORLD to diplomatically remove Israel FOR THEM, when they could easily remove Israel on their own by ceasing the firing of rockets into Israel.
During this whole matter, you've got Israel, who orchestrates a ceasefire so that humanitarian aid can reach the PALESTINIAN people of Gaza, at great detriment to their military operation.
Meanwhile, Israel is wrongfully accused (once again) of firing intentionally on civilians when we discover that the incident was, in fact, totally of Hamas's doing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/w...html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=gaza death civilian&st=cse
And the idea that Hamas is in favor of a ceasefire while Israel is not is completely a lie. Hamas is the only one not willing to CEASE the FIRING of its rockets, which is what a "ceasefire" means.
During this whole matter, you've got Israel, who orchestrates a ceasefire so that humanitarian aid can reach the PALESTINIAN people of Gaza, at great detriment to their military operation.
Meanwhile, Israel is wrongfully accused (once again) of firing intentionally on civilians when we discover that the incident was, in fact, totally of Hamas's doing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/w...html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=gaza death civilian&st=cse
And the idea that Hamas is in favor of a ceasefire while Israel is not is completely a lie. Hamas is the only one not willing to CEASE the FIRING of its rockets, which is what a "ceasefire" means.
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