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Israel attacks gaza strip

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EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
Perhaps.

But protests won't solve anything. Britain still invaded Iraq when it was hugely unpopular. Over a million or more went to the streets supposedly. Protests don't seem to be effective any more. :thud:

Unless a solution is adopted besides "KILL THE JEWS" "DESTROY ISRAEL" etc, it will only create a cycle of violence and ignorance. Brainwashing children to hate the Jews, for one, will solve nothing.

See the videos I posted earlier. How can peace be expected with that?
Well, we've nothing for jews...The struggle (not neccessirly violent) is between us and zionists...

Jews had always lived between us peacfully...the problems arised when the zionism ideology was established..
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Apparently, not all jews are zionists...
You revel in photos of a small fringe of antizionist Jews, perhaps proud of the fact that one is hard pressed to find pictures of Muslims marching against Hamas. There is something very instructive and very sick in this ...
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
How is that also related to what I was saying?!..

You are trying to show that judaism=zionism!!
Which means I'm defending judaism in that context!
Jews dwelling in all parts of the diaspora have uttered throughout 2000 years: 'Next year in Jerusalem!' perhaps that is the embodiment of Zionism.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Well, we've nothing for jews...The struggle (not neccessirly violent) is between us and zionists...

Jews had always lived between us peacfully...the problems arised when the zionism ideology was established..
I know that, but this is not the case often. :(
As I said, watch the videos and you'll see that Jews and Zionism are not separate for some.


Yet what is the Zionism you speak of? The desire for a homeland? Jews do not deserve their own land? Is that it, or is there another one. [I think this has been spoken about before, but I am not sure of what the response was...]

What is your view on it? What constitutes as Zionism in your view? :)
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
Excellent!

By the way ...
Muslim countries

While antisemitism was less pronounced in Muslim countries, Jews were treated with contempt. This was expressed through sumptuary laws that established what colors, clothing or hats they were permitted or not permitted to wear. The use of distinctive clothing or marks for Jewish and other religious communities has been traced by historians to ancient times.[2] In the early Islamic period, non-Muslims were required to wear distinctive marks in public, such as metal seals fixed around their necks. Tattooing and branding of slaves and captives were widespread in the ancient world. However, Islam, like Judaism, forbids permanent skin markings. In consequence, lead or copper seals were used to mark non-Muslims and slaves in the Islamic world. [3] Likewise, they were not allowed to wear colors associated with Islam, particularly green. [4] The practice of physically branding Jews and Christians appears to have been begun in early medieval Baghdad and was considered highly degrading. [5] According to Bernard Lewis, Christians and Jews were forced to wear special emblems on their clothes. The yellow badge was first introduced by a caliph in Baghdad in the ninth century, and spread to the West in medieval times. Even in public baths, non-Muslims wore medallions suspended from cords around their necks so no one would mistake them for Muslims. Belts, headgear, shoes, armbands and/or cloth patches were also used. Under Shi'a rules, they were not even allowed to use the same baths [6] In 1005 the Jews of Egypt were ordered to wear bells on their garments.[7]

- [source]

So we started quoting stuff?..ha?

ok:

In the Iberian Peninsula, under Muslim rule, Jews were able to make great advances in mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, chemistry and philology.[9] This era is sometimes referred to as the Golden age of Jewish culture in the Iberian Peninsula.[10]
During early Islam, Leon Poliakov writes, Jews enjoyed great privileges, and their communities prospered. There was no legislation or social barriers preventing them from conducting commercial activities. Many Jews migrated to areas newly conquered by Muslims and established communities there. The vizier of Baghdad entrusted his capital with Jewish bankers. The Jews were put in charge of certain parts of maritime and slave trade. Siraf, the principal port of the caliphate in the 10th century CE, had a Jewish governor.[11]

This was in early islamic ages..
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
Another quote because Jay seems to like them:

In general, the Muslim attitude toward dhimmis was one of contempt instead of hate, fear, or envy, and was rarely expressed in ethnic or racial terms.[22]
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
You revel in photos of a small fringe of antizionist Jews, perhaps proud of the fact that one is hard pressed to find pictures of Muslims marching against Hamas. There is something very instructive and very sick in this ...
Who said so?...Lots are against Hamas here..
And please, define the "antizionist jews" and whether they are still considered "normal jews" or not..

May be Caladan would better answer this one..

Odion said:
I know that, but this is not the case often. :(
As I said, watch the videos and you'll see that Jews and Zionism are not separate for some.
I do realize that many do not differentiate between judaism and zionism..

Odion said:
Yet what is the Zionism you speak of? The desire for a homeland? Jews do not deserve their own land? Is that it, or is there another one. [I think this has been spoken about before, but I am not sure of what the response was...]

What is your view on it? What constitutes as Zionism in your view? :)

Well, we can discuss zionism later I guess....But in my point of view, zionism is a political movement thats working for establishing a home land for jews in the land of Palestine (an arabic land)

And as an arab, I would simply oppose this!..And I dont find it very astonshing!
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
When are you gays going to stop confusing anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism? The call is for the dismantling of the Zionist state and the hope is for a peaceful dismantling of it.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
All that Zionist means to me is people who wanted their homeland back,if i recall there is a Psalm about it,the way Zionist was bandid about you would think its something abhorrent.
 

kai

ragamuffin
When are you gays going to stop confusing anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism? The call is for the dismantling of the Zionist state and the hope is for a peaceful dismantling of it.



hey emeliano stick this in google "next year in Jerusalem" see if you can grasp the concept.
 

Elessar

Well-Known Member
There you mix it all up again..

not4me didn't certainly mean "judaism", she ment "zionism"...
Thats a huge difference..

The Star of David is the symbol of Judaism. IT was the symbol forced by Muslim and Christian alike to be worn by every Jew to differentiate them from the populace as a whole. In Nazi Germany, every Jew, despite no longer having to, was forced, again, to wear a Star of David to differentiate themselves from the population - then people wearing it were massacred in the streets, in the fields, on the highways, and in the concentration camps.

To imply the Star of David is worse than the swastika is an insult to, not only Jews, but to every people who were massacred in the Holocaust - the Slavs, the Roma, the mentally and physically disabled, the African-Germans...even the Arabs...I could continue.

But that image in the signature is more offensive to me than you could imagine. Yes *more* offensive than your "Mohammad" cartoons. That image attacks me, as a Jew, not a zionist, but a Jew.
 

Elessar

Well-Known Member
Apparently, not all jews are zionists...

*snip*

The Neturei Karta have been ejected from every other Jewish community on the planet - from the most Orthodox Haredim and Hasidim to the most liberal Reform and Reconstruction.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
When are you gays going to stop confusing anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism? The call is for the dismantling of the Zionist state and the hope is for a peaceful dismantling of it.

Who's call yours,Hamas along with some others want to destroy it, you really can't be serious
 
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