Israel attacks gaza strip

[EiNsTeiN]

yes, it was already bad. but now even worst. Israeli army bombed canalization system, central electricity system, gas system...so now there is no electric at all, no heating as substructure is completely ruined. also many schools are bombed, more than half of ambulances are bombed, 5 doctors got killed, hospitals are bombed, no place to take dead and wounded people...well what can i say? this is terrible, too bad.

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Horrible...We have nothing to do but to pray...

It's a false hope bro. No peace with this zionist state unless there is a balance of power.

Let's not judge like that...I mean, this way we are intentionally rejecting peace for many generations to come..
Balancing the powers won't be achieved this way...That's one thing I'm certain of...We have been into this for 60 years now, and our approach doesnt seem to be getting us any closer to balancing powers....

I don't know what should we do, but immediate and unconditional ceasefire seems like a perfect option for the moment...

 

[TashaN]

I don't know what should we do, but immediate and unconditional ceasefire seems like a perfect option for the moment...

There is no such thing as unconditional ceasefire now. It's too late. I predicted before two days that Israel will stop within 48 hours, but they didn't. Now if they stopped before stopping the rockets of Hamas, that means the Israeli people will feel that they lost again, just like what happened in Lebanon, not only that, but they will lose--if they didn't already--the support of millions of sympathizers for Israel's cause.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

There is no such thing as unconditional ceasefire now. It's too late. I predicted before two days that Israel will stop within 48 hours, but they didn't. Now if they stopped before stopping the rockets of Hamas, that means the Israeli people will feel that they lost again, just like what happened in Lebanon, not only that, but they will lose--if they didn't already--the support of millions of sympathizers for Israel's cause.

Israel is really messing it up there...Most of the casualities are citizens, and no major losses from Hamas!!...
Israel is losing a face, and the situation is critical for both sides...Gaza is totally isolated and lacks the basic essential tools for living

 

[gnomon]

where? should i google it?

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Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

I believe that's it. Another page that claims to hold it will not load for me right now.

 

[emiliano]

Thats just crazy talk "Zionist state dismantled" and simply will not happen,so moving on,both sides need to come to the table with some workable peace deal that will be adhered to by both sides.

And why not? Can you show any legal cause for that state legal right to exist, it was the British that arbitrarily gave the Palestinian’s land away, is there any international law that would support this generous action? That land was entrusted to the British on the clear understanding that it belong to the Palestinian people, they could have been generous to the suffering Jews and give them part of England to establish a sovereign state.

 

[darkendless]

And why not? Can you show any legal cause for that state legal right to exist, it was the British that arbitrarily gave the Palestinian’s land away, is there any international law that would support this generous action? That land was entrusted to the British on the clear understanding that it belong to the Palestinian people, they could have been generous to the suffering Jews and give them part of England to establish a sovereign state.

No but you didn't stop the British Goverment 70ish years ago so there's squat we can do these days. Do you want to kick a few million Jews of land they faught for and won from the Arabs in the 6 day war?
Do the arabs deserve the land because they have a silly religious connection to it? Come on you're Australian, im sure you been annoyed about the Aboriginal situation here and their land claims. This is similar.
If for some rediculous reason Israel left their land to Hamas and Palestine, i'd give them 6 months before they would fail and start calling for international aid. Then, there would be no Israel for them to blame everything on.

 

[emiliano]

Do not take this the wrong way, because i do not know... Just an assumption, but weren't the conditions in the Gaza strip bad before anyway?

That is a good question, and in truth their conditions have been terrible since the beginning, since the day that their land was given away to masters that consider them inferior and something to segregate themselves from, there can be no peace till this dispossessed people have justice, they own the lot, they have the right to the lot, that is the point from where any negotiations must start from. A deal can be negotiated, compensation paid for the expropriations of the land that will be legally bought, the Palestinians must decide how much and what part of the territory the are willing to sell.
Violent occupations has not worked in previous attempt and an injustice was done to this people and it must be resolved peacefully and their dignity must be respected.

 

[emiliano]

No but you didn't stop the British Goverment 70ish years ago so there's squat we can do these days. Do you want to kick a few million Jews of land they faught for and won from the Arabs in the 6 day war?
Do the arabs deserve the land because they have a silly religious connection to it? Come on you're Australian, im sure you been annoyed about the Aboriginal situation here and their land claims. This is similar.
If for some rediculous reason Israel left their land to Hamas and Palestine, i'd give them 6 months before they would fail and start calling for international aid. Then, there would be no Israel for them to blame everything on.

Well the British created this mess they should foot the bill for the cost of fixing it, they gave the land to Jews, land that didn't belong to them, and it was done under duress , the Brits committed fraud they sold land that it didn’t belong to them. The Arabs fought for the land and lost, do you think that they will stop fighting? Australia’s situation is deferent there has not been a fight and more than enough compensation has been paid and is time that they are declared paid and with equal right and opportunities, it time for them to be seen as any other Citizen of this country. There is no comparison. What are the Palestinian been offered?

 

[Supergate]

the people of the Gaza strip must be Radical Fundamentalist Muhammadists who believe they have God on their side. i think That is why Hamas was democraticly elected.

 

[darkendless]

Well the British created this mess they should foot the bill for the cost of fixing it, they gave the land to Jews, land that didn't belong to them, and it was done under duress , the Brits committed fraud they sold land that it didn’t belong to them. The Arabs fought for the land and lost, do you think that they will stop fighting? Australia’s situation is deferent there has not been a fight and more than enough compensation has been paid and is time that they are declared paid and with equal right and opportunities, it time for them to be seen as any other Citizen of this country. There is no comparison. What are the Palestinian been offered?

A better lifestyle that the take for granted by killing Israeli civilians. I'd be willing to bet that if the Palestinians stopped trying to kill and remove Israel, slowly, over time, Israel would come to trust them. Right now what motive does Israel have to want to help Palestine? They're complaining about the conditions, but why the hell would Israel want to give them anything? They've bitten the hand that feeds them.

You want to blame Britian for this? You want British people to suffer because of an 80 year old agreement? Thats rediculous. Thats like making Germans today feel ashamed about the holocaust. This problem should have been tackled at the beginning, its too late now. So we need to move past this and focus on now.

 

[emiliano]

A better lifestyle that the take for granted by killing Israeli civilians. I'd be willing to bet that if the Palestinians stopped trying to kill and remove Israel, slowly, over time, Israel would come to trust them. Right now what motive does Israel have to want to help Palestine? They're complaining about the conditions, but why the hell would Israel want to give them anything? They've bitten the hand that feeds them.

You want to blame Britian for this? You want British people to suffer because of an 80 year old agreement? Thats rediculous. Thats like making Germans today feel ashamed about the holocaust. This problem should have been tackled at the beginning, its too late now. So we need to move past this and focus on now.

Do you know why the US has to stay and reconstruct Iraq?
The why the hell of their right to compensation is that they Jews extorted land that did not belong to them, they have no legal right over the land cause the people that exchanged it for favours did not legally owned that land, I don’t think that it would be appropriate to imposed this on the British because they in a big economic strife at present, but this should taken to a international judging panel of international jurist and demand that a legal cause be shown for this occupation and fraudulent deals, justice must be done or there will never be peace. It is never to late for justice, we won this land in a war, or God gave us this land ain’t gona cut it. It has to be a just and fair legal settlement. Focusing on the now of the situation, these Zionist are acting in the same way that the Nazi did, they think of themselves as a master race (God people) they want to segregate the people of the land, they consider every Palestinian as a sub-human, the international community did not tolerated this and the fascist state was dismantled, offcourse at present it is hope that an international ruling on this dispute can work and violence is not need it, that Israel will abide by an international tribunal decision and this is done peacefully, what do you think?

 

[kai]

emeliano

could you please read some history on the subject before you blame dear old blighty for everything.

Main articles: 1948 Palestine war and Declaration of Independence (Israel)
After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]



Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kai]

Lava you can read the Hamas Charter here:

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

 

[kai]

There is no such thing as unconditional ceasefire now. It's too late. I predicted before two days that Israel will stop within 48 hours, but they didn't. Now if they stopped before stopping the rockets of Hamas, that means the Israeli people will feel that they lost again, just like what happened in Lebanon, not only that, but they will lose--if they didn't already--the support of millions of sympathizers for Israel's cause.

The aim is not to stop the rockets but to impede them, its all in the words, they know its impossible to stop them and its a promise they wont make again, this operation is to reinforce israels deterence factor.i knew that there would be a ground incursion and i dont think they are going to completely leave this time , i dont see how they can. the rockets will recommence once they leave.


Put it this way a lull in rocket attacks would give the impression of an Isaeli success even if there wasnt one on the ground, an ideal basis for a ceasefire. thats if anyone desired one that is.

 

[emiliano]

emeliano

could you please read some history on the subject before you blame dear old blighty for everything.

Main articles: 1948 Palestine war and Declaration of Independence (Israel)
After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]



Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I trust Encarta more than Wikipedia
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The British Mandate

Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks in 1917 and 1918. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them, in correspondence (1915-1916) with Husein ibn Ali of Mecca, the independence of their countries after the war. Britain, however, also made other, conflicting commitments. Thus, in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement with France and Russia (1916), it promised to divide and rule the region with its allies. In a third agreement, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews, whose help it needed in the war effort, a Jewish “national home” in Palestine. This promise was subsequently incorporated in the mandate conferred on Britain by the League of Nations in 1922.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
I don’t trust the British, they are responsible for this mess and that’s that!

 

[kai]

I
I trust Encarta more than Wikipedia
F.
The British Mandate

Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks in 1917 and 1918. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them, in correspondence (1915-1916) with Husein ibn Ali of Mecca, the independence of their countries after the war. Britain, however, also made other, conflicting commitments. Thus, in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement with France and Russia (1916), it promised to divide and rule the region with its allies. In a third agreement, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews, whose help it needed in the war effort, a Jewish “national home” in Palestine.

This promise was subsequently incorporated in the mandate conferred on Britain by the League of Nations in 1922.

Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
I don’t trust the British, they are responsible for this mess and that’s that!

stop cherry picking,

being anti british is fine we can take it, but the truth is area was, as now, uncontrolable remember there was no countries there No Israel ,no jordan ,No Syrria,No Iraq, just Ottoman fiefdoms all in sundry wanted a country and the league of nations gave them one. The Arabs were not happy with the Jews getting a country and still arnt, remember it was a two state solution, one jewish =Israel one palestinian =Jordan


and if Turkey didnt enter WW! on the losing side it would be all their problem now.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Can you please show me where did Hamas mentioned that ALL Jews are Zionists?

It can be understood that Hamas is against all Zionists... so you can make the connection when in the intro, it says "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious."

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.

You can tell the words Jew and Zionist are used interchangeably.

In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children.

We should not forget to remind every Moslem that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that "Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women."
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.

It's pretty clear that Zionists and Jews are spoken of interchangeably.

Ignore it if it makes you happy. But there it is.

 

[emiliano]

stop cherry picking,

being anti british is fine we can take it, but the truth is area was, as now, uncontrolable remember there was no countries there No Israel ,no jordan ,No Syrria,No Iraq, just Ottoman fiefdoms all in sundry wanted a country and the league of nations gave them one. The Arabs were not happy with the Jews getting a country and still arnt, remember it was a two state solution, one jewish =Israel one palestinian =Jordan
and if Turkey didnt enter WW! on the losing side it would be all their problem now.

That is not what the British promised the Arabs, they promised too many thing to many people, that’s the problem, and not only that. they made conflicting ones and that created the problem, they promised what was not theirs, in Australia the old timers aren’t very fond of the Poms and maybe that rubbed onto me, but you asked me to look into a bit of history, and history is history, they are not trustworthy. Don’t ask me again, it’s stink badly.

 

[kai]

That is not what the British promised the Arabs, they promised too many thing to many people, that’s the problem, and not only that. they made conflicting ones and that created the problem, they promised what was not theirs, in Australia the old timers aren’t very fond of the Poms and maybe that rubbed onto me, but you asked me to look into a bit of history, and history is history, they are not trustworthy. Don’t ask me again, it’s stink badly.

may promises to many people because there was many people all governed by Ottoman Empire , all covered by the league of nations it wasnt British land or British colony it was Ottoman, i am not asking you again , History is History like you said but you have to read it . what can i say about Ausie old timers ha ha , no better not.

 

[England my lionheart]

That is not what the British promised the Arabs, they promised too many thing to many people, that’s the problem, and not only that. they made conflicting ones and that created the problem, they promised what was not theirs, in Australia the old timers aren’t very fond of the Poms and maybe that rubbed onto me, but you asked me to look into a bit of history, and history is history, they are not trustworthy. Don’t ask me again, it’s stink badly.

I think you really do need to read more and form your own opinion instead of listening to some sour old men