Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes

[JacobEzra.]

So you agree that Jordan shouldn't have to do anything about it and it's all israel's responsibility.

How about Arabs want all the Land to themselves and are hoping the world totally ignores they own 80% of Palestine. People like yourself a prime example, since you don't even seem to be interested in the concept that Jordan is sitting on Palestinian land yet you wouldn't wave any finger at them.

The fact that people don't care that they already have 80% of what they want and no one is pressuring Jordan to become Palestine is pure willful ignorance and racism as if the Jordanians shouldn't have to do anything about the problem.

Also, Israeli-citizen Arabs have some of the best lives among Arabs.

Jordan is not the problem. The problem is Israel occupying land that is not theirs. In habitants of Gaza and West Bank want their own state. How is that so hard to understand?

 

[Bismillah]

So you agree that Jordan shouldn't have to do anything about it and it's all israel's responsibility.

Ok let's recreate Trans-Jordan. Expel Israel's colonies in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

How about Arabs want all the Land to themselves

Oh no they want Israelis to stop colonizing the West Bank!

Also, Israeli-citizen Arabs have some of the best lives among Arabs.

Who incidentally are still second class citizens in their own country. But why don't you want the Arabs born within the "borders" of Israel back? Racism? But you will readily accept a Jew across the world with no ties to the nation and have him live in Palestinian housing.

 

[Shermana]

Jordan is not the problem. The problem is Israel occupying land that is not theirs. In habitants of Gaza and West Bank want their own state. How is that so hard to understand?

Jordan is not the problem? Why not? Why are they not occupying land that doesn't belong to them? Why does the land called JUDEA SAMARIA belong to the Palestinians and not the Israelis exactly? Please explain.

What's hard to understand is why people purposely ignore Jordan. You are a great example of how people willfully ignore the historical facts and brush aside that the Arabs already have 80% of Palestine yet they are using the refugees as political pawns against Israel.

 

[Shermana]

Ok let's recreate Trans-Jordan. Expel Israel's colonies in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Oh no they want Israelis to stop colonizing the West Bank!

Who incidentally are still second class citizens in their own country. But why don't you want the Arabs born within the "borders" of Israel back? Racism? But you will readily accept a Jew across the world with no ties to the nation and have him live in Palestinian housing.

No, we create "Palestine" out of Transjordan, and we let Israel retain control of the current territories and simply do a mass investment and development project to make the Jordan river fertilize the east of the country where you can fit tens of millions of people easily. Do you really think the Palestinians will even be prosperous under their own government? They were doing quite well under the Jewish management in Gaza compared to today. It's not racism, it's just fact. Look how much better African countries are doing now that China is offering its management and industrial experience. It's just basic economic facts, under Jewish management, the Judea-Samaria will be much more prosperous than any kind of system the notoriously corrupt PA would ever produce. Do you honestly believe the PA would treat its citizens better and stop hoarding swiss bank accounts for themselves any LESS under total independence?

Jews have lived in the "West Bank" (Judea Samaria) even right after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, so its not really "Colonizing" is it?

So what if I'm "racist", Judaism IS racist, Arabs have been severely racist against Jews since long before the 1800s , except I believe we can co-exist like the prosperous Israeli Arabs do. I can show you some SERIOUS racist things many Arab and Islamic writers have said about Africans over the centuries, and today. Look at Arab support for Sudan during the Darfur crisis. Israel and the Arabs just have to have an honest look at the situation and stop playing games like Jordan isn't 80% of Palestine. How about pressuring the Hashemites to let in all the refugees and rename themselves Palestine? Why not? There's SO much room in Jordan its almost a joke. So much room for development and economic prospects, you could fit 50x the Judea-Samarias in Jordan, and you already have it, it's just occupied by the "Jordanian Monarchy". You don't even have to change the flags since they're 99% the same.

On the other hand, advocating that Israel is purely in the wrong while saying that Jordan is not the problem is "racist" in the sense of purposefully ignoring the facts to drive the attempted point.

 

[Bismillah]

So let me get this straight you want to illegally colonize the land of others because it will create a more prosperous Gaza and the West Bank? Sounds like Imperialism. And it disregards that those Israeli Arabs lucky enough not to have been forced to abandon their homes are treated as inferior citizens of the states.

Sounds like you're just itching to demolish some more Bedouin and Palestinian ancestral homes for shiny new Jewish colonies.

Judaism IS racist

Ever wonder if its not your religion but just you?

 

[Shermana]

So let me get this straight you want to illegally colonize the land of others because it will create a more prosperous Gaza and the West Bank? Sounds like Imperialism. And it disregards that those Israeli Arabs lucky enough not to have been forced to abandon their homes are treated as inferior citizens of the states.

Sounds like you're just itching to demolish some more Bedouin and Palestinian ancestral homes for shiny new Jewish colonies.

Ever wonder if its not your religion but just you?

"Imperialism" in the negative sense implies that one side is purely exploited for the sake of the other, a highly prosperous Gaza means richer Gazans, so therefore, being against this "Imperialism" means you believe in some vague ideological notion over the tangible quality of life benefits such a system would provide for the common person.


"Forced to abandon their homes" is a muddy issue, they mostly fled willingly in 1948. Unlike the Jews who were kicked out along with $300 Billion (modern) property confiscated from Morocco to Iraq.

We are not allowed any Moabites or Ammonites or Amelekites into the congregation. Canaan is a race of "slave of slaves". Therefore, there is no way any Rabbi can deny that there is inherent "Racism" in our beliefs, it is not an easy subject to explain. Either way, Jews have to know when they have an enemy and who that enemy is, and when they are just playing "peace" to build up something. The scriptures are filled with wars against particular races like the Midianites, ethnic tension is inevitable, but as I said I believe we can co-exist.

And the word "Illegal" only pertains to UN definitions with their Syrian and Iranian and Libyan rights councils.

 

[Bismillah]

No it is imperialistic. There is evidence of ethnic cleansing throughout the West Bank and Jerusalem. One sided is clearly suffering one side is reaping the rewards. The ones that aren't expelled live inferior lives to Jewish Israelis.

Yep Imperialism sounds just about right. Against the Bedouins and Palestinians.

By the way those he fled did so in the wake of massacres by Jews in places such as Der Yassin.

 

[Shermana]

No it is imperialistic. There is evidence of ethnic cleansing throughout the West Bank and Jerusalem. One sided is clearly suffering one side is reaping the rewards. The ones that aren't expelled live inferior lives to Jewish Israelis.

Yep Imperialism sounds just about right. Against the Bedouins and Palestinians.

By the way those he fled did so in the wake of massacres by Jews in places such as Der Yassin.

Deir Yassin is another example of misrepresentation of the facts, it took place during a legitimate battle for Jerusalem for one thing, and the accounts of what happened aren't exactly what the Palestinians say. There were however many attacks from Arabs on Jews that are clear. Like the Medical Convoy of 72 Jewish Doctors and Nurses who were slaughtered (and worse).

The "Palestinians" (Back before they were called "Palestinians") declared war on the Jews first in 1948, not the other way around. Jews have been fighting a defensive war, and if they take territory during that war, it's a legitimate gain. One can only wonder what the Arabs would have done to the Jews if they won.

Why is it not a problem that Jordan occupies 80% of Palestine? Why is that land stealing legitimate? Do you know about when the PLO tried to overthrow the Hashemites? Maybe its time for the world to force the Hashemites to do with political pressure what the Black Septembrists tried to do with violence.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Jordan is not the problem? Why not? Why are they not occupying land that doesn't belong to them? Why does the land called JUDEA SAMARIA belong to the Palestinians and not the Israelis exactly? Please explain.

What's hard to understand is why people purposely ignore Jordan. You are a great example of how people willfully ignore the historical facts and brush aside that the Arabs already have 80% of Palestine yet they are using the refugees as political pawns against Israel.

Show exactly the historical facts on Jordan.

Why does the land called JUDEA SAMARIA belong to the Palestinians and not the Israelis exactly? Please explain.

Um, it never belonged to Israel?

 

[Shermana]

Judea Samaria never belonged to the State of Israel or the people of Israel?

Did it belong to the British? Did it belong to "Jordan"? Why didn't Jordan grant them a state for the 19 years they occupied it.

Is Jordan Palestine? :: Daniel Pipes

Compare to the Al-Jazeera article.

Jordan is not Palestine - Focus - Al Jazeera English

Anyone against the Jordan option is just anti-Israel.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Jews have lived in the "West Bank" (Judea Samaria) even right after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, so its not really "Colonizing" is it?

And thous same peoplo who have lived in West Bank and Gaza want their own country and not be subjected to a government with racist tendencies and military occupation.

So what if I'm "racist", Judaism IS racist

That is a joke, right?

 

[Bismillah]

It's ok guys Israel is well within its rights to demolish the ancestral home of these Bedouins again and again...and again because it brings prosperity to the region?..

 

[Shermana]

And thous same peoplo who have lived in West Bank and Gaza want their own country and not be subjected to a government with racist tendencies and military occupation.

That is a joke, right?

It would help if you actually quoted the whole rest of the quote including the part on Ammonites, Amalekites, and Moabites and Canaanites.

I do appreciate your attempt at completely ignoring everything after I said, you prove my point about people ignoring things to make their case as I said earlier.

it is funny you think the PA is not built on racist tendencies when they quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in their national charters.

But I can see what angle you're trying to see from, it helps if you look at the whole picture though.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Anyone against the Jordan option is just anti-Israel.

Anyone who supports the removal of people from Gaza and West bank who have lived their for centuries is plan foolish. The Land is not Jewish. Other wise their would have been no problem to begin with.

 

[JacobEzra.]

It would help if you actually quoted the whole rest of the quote including the part on Ammonites, Amalekites, and Moabites and Canaanites.

I do appreciate your attempt at completely ignoring everything after I said, you prove my point about people ignoring things to make their case as I said earlier.

it is funny you think the PA is not built on racist tendencies when they quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in their national charters.

I read enough. Ammonites, Amalekites, Moabites and Canaanites. Yeah, show me a person of each of these tribes

But I can see what angle you're trying to see from, it helps if you look at the whole picture though.

And what angle that be?
I can not see the angle you are comming from. 67 lines are not that bad, and would give peace to Israel and Palestine. But Im sorry, I forget that does not go with the goal of acquring "Greater Israel".

 

[Shermana]

By 67 lines do you mean give back Judea-Samaria to Jordan? Return Gaza to Egypt too? Why would that be just fine, Israel would be a tiny state and lose all of its strategic positions? Why not go back to 1920 Balfour Declaration lines and make it one big "Mandate of Palestine" ruled by Jews? (Including Jordan).

 

[Shermana]

Anyone who supports the removal of people from Gaza and West bank who have lived their for centuries is plan foolish. The Land is not Jewish. Other wise their would have been no problem to begin with.

Are you saying no jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza for centuries? Most Palestinians immigrated during the 1900-s and 20s, at twice the rate the Zionists did.

"If it weren't for the Jews, there wouldn't be half as many Arabs" - Churchill.

Why don't you take a break from arguing and actually read up the history.

Also if you think the 67 lines means there will be permanent peace, you are deluded.

 

[darkendless]

And thous same peoplo who have lived in West Bank and Gaza want their own country and not be subjected to a government with racist tendencies and military occupation.

That is a joke, right?

If I remember correctly they had a chance to take half and rejected it and instead tried to fight for the whole lot and got utterly humiliated on more than one occasion.

I find it amusing how there is a stereotypical blind hatred against Israel. Its as if the Palestinians have done nothing wrong. They threw the first punch and when Israel came back Palestinians cried foul and claim to be innocent.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I find it amusing how there is a stereotypical blind hatred against Israel. Its as if the Palestinians have done nothing wrong. They threw the first punch and when Israel came back Palestinians cried foul and claim to be innocent.

I have no hatred for Israel, nor do I think Palestinians haven't done any wrong. I think its a violation of humans rights the way Israel treats the Palestinians and is still occupying land that is not theirs.

 

[xkatz]

Shame that the Israeli is doing that. It will hurt the relatively good relations between the Bedouins and the gov't.