JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
What, Israel has no mafio?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes
- Thread starter Bismillah
- Start date
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Well you can not expect them to warmly accept you and open their arms out to you when its Zionist Jews who have do so much wrong. Can't use that against them.Wow. Of course it couldn't have anything to do with the status of the pope. No its because Gaza is safe for everyone. Let me guess, especially jews.
Christians are fine in Palestine.
sadiq
Spain, Morocco, Jerusalem
You of all people should know that jumping to conclusions will not get you anywhere.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Bedouins....what an inconvenient & inconsiderate people. We had the same problem with those violent & unreasonable Indians when we conquered America.
They didn't understand that their land was actually ours by law & by the grace of God...the real God, & not the false deities of those dirt worshipping heathens.
And they had the temerity to resist our occupation of our land, to which we had legal title. (The dirt worshippers had no deeds or titles anywhere in our records.
They'd just been squatting on the land without our permission for millennia.) They violently resisted our peaceful farming of the land & harvesting the animals.
There was no making peace with them, & no other Indian nations came to their aid or offered to take them in when displaced from our land. That's just the
way those people are. Alas, if only we'd thought of billing them for exterminating their villages...what a great idea. The few survivors would never be able to
pay off the charges, & would be forever in our debt. Such progress we humans have made since then.
They didn't understand that their land was actually ours by law & by the grace of God...the real God, & not the false deities of those dirt worshipping heathens.
And they had the temerity to resist our occupation of our land, to which we had legal title. (The dirt worshippers had no deeds or titles anywhere in our records.
They'd just been squatting on the land without our permission for millennia.) They violently resisted our peaceful farming of the land & harvesting the animals.
There was no making peace with them, & no other Indian nations came to their aid or offered to take them in when displaced from our land. That's just the
way those people are. Alas, if only we'd thought of billing them for exterminating their villages...what a great idea. The few survivors would never be able to
pay off the charges, & would be forever in our debt. Such progress we humans have made since then.
Last edited:
sadiq
Spain, Morocco, Jerusalem
Not even remotely similar,next!
A
angellous_evangellous
Guest
Why doesn't Israel just round them up in camps and gas them?
The current process lacks a certain efficiency.
The current process lacks a certain efficiency.
kai
ragamuffin
kai
ragamuffin
Bismillah
Submit
And I am still waiting for a response to this
For the record it is official Israeli policy not to recognise these Bedouins who date back at least to the Ottoman Empire and still posses the original land deeds, this is of course nothing new thousands upon thousands of Bedouins are regarded as living illegally in their villages and homes.
For the record the houses have been demolished and rebuilt 20 times and then fined half a million each time.
Furthermore Israel refuses to connect these villages to basic services such as sewage lines, water, electricity, or garbage disposal.
Netanyahu went on to reveal
To put this into context, all this is happening in the Negev desert. If this was truly about reforestation there would be innumerable sites to choose from. Bedouins make up 25% of the Negev's population and live on 2% of its land.
In contrast this past decade alone the Israeli government has allocated public funds and parts of the Negev for privately owned ranches exceeding an area of 20,000 acres. That is greater than the sum total of the seven different "official" cities Bedouins are encouraged to relocated to which house 85,000 people.
Or on a smaller scale more relevant example to this story ten mobile Jewish homes were constructed on land adjacent to Al-Aqrib and was promptly connected to sewage lines, electricity, and water. This land, once promised to the Bedouins, is now called Gvaot Bar.
Don't try to spin this as eminent domain levite or try to lable me as simply bashing Israel this is one example of one of the most prolific abuses of eminent domain on the international level and a direct severing of Bedouins to their culture.
By the way
Erasing links to the land in the Negev by Noga Malkin | The Middle East Channel
This is not eminent domain this is racially motivated ethnic cleansing and a colossal effort to separate the Bedouins from their cultural heritage.
For the record it is official Israeli policy not to recognise these Bedouins who date back at least to the Ottoman Empire and still posses the original land deeds, this is of course nothing new thousands upon thousands of Bedouins are regarded as living illegally in their villages and homes.
For the record the houses have been demolished and rebuilt 20 times and then fined half a million each time.
Furthermore Israel refuses to connect these villages to basic services such as sewage lines, water, electricity, or garbage disposal.
Netanyahu went on to reveal
Sounds like the grounds for a new "settlement" to replace this village.
To put this into context, all this is happening in the Negev desert. If this was truly about reforestation there would be innumerable sites to choose from. Bedouins make up 25% of the Negev's population and live on 2% of its land.
In contrast this past decade alone the Israeli government has allocated public funds and parts of the Negev for privately owned ranches exceeding an area of 20,000 acres. That is greater than the sum total of the seven different "official" cities Bedouins are encouraged to relocated to which house 85,000 people.
Or on a smaller scale more relevant example to this story ten mobile Jewish homes were constructed on land adjacent to Al-Aqrib and was promptly connected to sewage lines, electricity, and water. This land, once promised to the Bedouins, is now called Gvaot Bar.
Don't try to spin this as eminent domain levite or try to lable me as simply bashing Israel this is one example of one of the most prolific abuses of eminent domain on the international level and a direct severing of Bedouins to their culture.
By the way
Israel’s teenage barbarians at al-Arakib – By Lawrence Davidson | Sabbah Report
Erasing links to the land in the Negev by Noga Malkin | The Middle East Channel
This is not eminent domain this is racially motivated ethnic cleansing and a colossal effort to separate the Bedouins from their cultural heritage.
kai
ragamuffin
that all depends on where you get your information. name your source please
kai
ragamuffin
Are they still valid these Ottoman land deeds? these Bedouins were are talking about they have these land deeds? the article says "The Israeli state is the registered owner of the land to the south of the Negev city of Rahat"
Owning land doesn't mean you can build on it, not even here in the UK. If i built a house on my own land without the relevant permissions they would bulldoze it and charge me for doing it , its true.
Last edited:
A
angellous_evangellous
Guest
Bismillah
Submit
I wonder what would happen in America if a group of people living in a town dates hundreds of years back were inexplicably regarded as squatters, cut off from basic public services, herded into poverty stricken areas, and watched as their cultural herritage was paved for Jewish "settlements" payed for by public funds, all the while being charged for the demolition costs while a group of racists ran amok vandalizing and stealing their few remaining possessions and cheering at their dispossestion.
Gives you a realistic scale of the "only democracy in the Middle East". Such a backward bigoted practice is reminiscent of the dispossession of Native Americans.
Gives you a realistic scale of the "only democracy in the Middle East". Such a backward bigoted practice is reminiscent of the dispossession of Native Americans.
Last edited:
Bismillah
Submit
"The Bedouin families explained that this was ancestral land on which they had lived for generations going back to the days of the Ottoman Empire. They even have their original land deeds."
Pretty sure if there were buildings that predated the existence of the country by a couple centuries they would not only remain standing they would be given a protected status.
kai
ragamuffin
so these are not really Bedouins? serious question! if these people have been living in these towns for hundreds of years then are they really Bedouin?
kai
ragamuffin
well they would be very well built to be still standing and oh yes they would be classed as "listed buildings " but only if they had some kind of architectural significance.
A
angellous_evangellous
Guest
(forgetting about a few wars and the refusal of other Islamic countries to help)
The Palestinian refugees are squatters and cut themselves off from basic services are the request of their Muslim brothers who abandoned them.
It is unfortunate, but making analogies while leaving out defining elements of the situation is irresponsible.
Bismillah
Submit
I'm pretty sure they maintain their tribal identity and culture within the traditional Bedouin culture. There were Bedouins in Medina who settled in the city, they did not lose their identity.
And just what exactly does that have to do with the topic at hand? It doesn't matter if they are Bedouins or aliens what matters is the racist implementation of dispossesing a collective people.