Israel Fires on Humanitarian Aid Flotilla

[Just_me_Mike]

OK, so I leave the forum for good, and decide to read the topics today.

What the hell is a matter with everyone!!!!!!! Jews, Israelis, Muslims, all of you, just stop! It is like watching 2 year old children fight over a ball of yarn. Is the exact number of deaths important? How about just the fact we are killing each other should be cause for us all to stop RIGHT NOW and decide the way forward is not with violence.

You perpetuate your own fate, you deserve what you get, because you REFUSE to put identity down and pick peace up. You choose to be loyal to a violent mixture rather than joining peace at any cost. So what you may die by striving for peace, at least your life was an example of what you believed in.

STOP THE FIGHTING!!! Grow up! Demand better from your leaders, and reject those that won't go the peaceful route. We are many, our numbers are greater, those that stand for peace. What will they do kill us all? Though I live in America, I detest anything America does that leads to violence, and also anything you all do that leads to violence.

It is in our power to stop the cycle, but instead you want to argue about numbers and statistics, land rights and history. The world is our home, the Earth is our land, we all share it, so let's start acting like it.

 

[tumbleweed41]

You assume far more coherence, cohesion, and competence than is warranted. But even were it true, this hardly excuses gross tactical stupidity.

While I find the actions of Israel to be a prime example of tactical stupidity, the actions of the flotilla seem to have had the desired effect of drawing attention to the Gaza strip.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

WW1 led to the league of nations.
WW2 led to the united nations.
The Gulf wars led to nothing constructive

They all led to countless needless deaths.

You're talking about outcome.

In all of these wars - except the current Gulf War started by Bush - the USA had significant support from allies.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Iran????

You believe your own propaganda?

Iran is a wannabe superpower.

That's not propaganda.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's also instructive to note how these discussions so frequenly end up flirting with holocaust denial ...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The larger the input... the greater the output in death and misery.

All society pays.

Then think real carefully about this:

Then please feel free to demonstrate how the actual figures (unknown) make a difference to todays situation.

5 million 10 millon or 50 million deaths are equally hard to imagine. and do not change the nature of, or the problem itself.

 

[kai]

Yeah, we noticed the weapons primarily made of chairs and pipes.

therefore?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's also instructive to note how these discussions so frequenly end up flirting with holocaust denial ...

It will always happen. Zionists milk The Holocaust for all possible victimhood credit. Moreover, they even own the word "holocaust",
despite there having have been far greater holocausts in the PRC & USSR. Aggressive claims will meet challenges, & the most ill-founded
outrageous of those challenges will feed the histrionics.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I think that Terry is consolodating the entire military history of the USA with the George W. Bush administration, completely forgetting that it was the fall of communism in Russia (NOT WORLD WAR II) that solidified the USA as a singular world power, and Bush destroyed that advantage.

Now China and India are growing powers, and Iran and N. Korea are wannabe's but have a very slight chance to make it.

Not so. I had not even considered that The USA was a singular world power.
whilst both Bushes may have been a waste of space, I do not think they changed anyones perception of the position of America as a world power.

The rest of the world understands full well that China is the dominant force today, however they see no need to spend their way to poverty, or waste the lives of their people on local battles. All they need to do is wait. It was forever thus...

 

[tumbleweed41]

BTW, it would be more than a little instructive to compare the 'terrorism' associated with the King David Hotel with that associated with Hammas.

I don't think any rational person here is supporting terrorism by either the Zionist Irgun or the Palestinian Hamas.

 

[Tanuki]

It's also instructive to note how these discussions so frequenly end up flirting with holocaust denial ...

They only flirt with holocaust denial because the majority of the Jewish people still look on themselves as victims! Gawd, WWII was 70 years ago - move on.

And another thing, just because the holocaust happened doesn't give Israel caret blanche to act the way it does! It's a joke and we in the supposedly civilised world should speak out against it and act if necessary! Oh wait...it doesn't have oil. No point in acting against it then there would be nothing in it for us...no wrong again...nothing in it for the US.

 

[Panda]

I think it was idiotic of the flotilla to do this and it was equally idiotic if not more so of Israel to illegally board these vessels in international waters. They have played right into the hands of the idiots that organised the flotilla, international outrage at Israel. I think it will be very difficult for this to be spun in anyway that doesn't show Israel as the bad guy.

 

[Caladan]

It will always happen. Zionists milk The Holocaust for all possible victimhood credit. Moreover, they even own the word "holocaust"

Is that for a fact? do tell, who brought the holocaust into this debate?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Gawd, WWII was 70 years ago - move on.

In this entire thread, that was the most ignorant statement so far.

Is 70 years the limit? Is that when we can forget about the genocide of Muslims in Srebrenica?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You're talking about outcome.

In all of these wars - except the current Gulf War started by Bush - the USA had significant support from allies.

That is a strange way of looking at it.

From the British point of view, in both world wars the Germans were the protagonists and opposed mainly by British forces and their european and empire allies.
In both they gained significant strength when the Americans first sold them war materials and later still joined forces with them.

In both World wars America started and wished to remain neutral. Up to its entry it was trading war material to both sides.

The Gulf wars were started by America...with significant help and support from Britain.

 

[Tanuki]

In this entire thread, that was the most ignorant statement so far.

Is 70 years the limit? Is that when we can forget about the genocide of Muslims in Srebrenica?

Ignorant? Just stating a fact.

I didn't say forget - I said move on. Don't put words in my mouth. And I don't know anyone that still goes on about Srebrenica - everyone realises that it was a tragedy but they move on with their lives, something the majority of the Jewish people can't seem to do.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

They only flirt with holocaust denial because the majority of the Jewish people still look on themselves as victims! Gawd, WWII was 70 years ago - move on.

And another thing, just because the holocaust happened doesn't give Israel caret blanche to act the way it does! It's a joke and we in the supposedly civilised world should speak out against it and act if necessary! Oh wait...it doesn't have oil. No point in acting against it then there would be nothing in it for us...no wrong again...nothing in it for the US.

Well, survivors are victims.

My Grandfather fought in WWII, and he's still alive. He fought at Normandy on D-day and all over Europe to help liberate them from the Nazis. The US Army helped him get a job and he worked for the government for the rest of his life. If he had been a Holocaust survivor that would have dramatically impacted the identity of our family.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Ignorant? Just stating a fact.

I didn't say forget - I said move on. Don't put words in my mouth. And I don't know anyone that still goes on about Srebrenica - everyone realises that it was a tragedy but they move on with their lives, something the majority of the Jewish people can't seem to do.

And the Palestinians are model examples of this.

 

[dogsgod]

Iran is a wannabe superpower.

That's not propaganda.

You can't be serious. What countries have been invaded and occupied by Iran in the last 300 years? What countries have they colonized? They must be building some kind of invisible empire on another planet that you are aware of.

 

[Tanuki]

And the Palestinians are model examples of this.

The Jews weren't displaced and made homeless like the Palestinians - Their gripe in my view is justified! Yes the holocaust was a tragedy but it was nothing in comparison to the nikba - the effects of which are still being felt. And the Zionist state is still perpetrating those crimes they accuse the Nazis of!