Israel Fires on Humanitarian Aid Flotilla

[FlyingTeaPot]

They stole the commandos chairs?

Again,

 

[kai]

a little retrospective look at this may be of interest:

Israel: Gaza aid convoy can unload cargo in Ashdod for inspection - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News



Gaza aid convoy refuses to deliver package to Gilad Shalit - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[arimoff]

Your post misses the point that the blockade of Gaza cannot be justified in the first place.

Israel Flotilla Disaster: Gaza Embargo, U.S. Supporters to Blame - The Daily Beast

neither can firing rockets, i was there in the center of the city of Sderot (I have family there) before and after the last war, trust me it is not a good filling running to a bomb shelter 3 times a day, especially for kids but yet I don't see anybody denouncing it. For the rest of the world who seem to constantly jump on everything Israel does why don't you speak out when those rockets fall? or it is totally ok to fire rockets? stop the rockets and there wont be any blockades. I don't see any resolutions by that prostitute organization called UN.

 

[Smoke]

I think the Israeli government made a right mess of this.

Maybe. I wish all the people who are condemning Israel in this would say exactly what they think Israel should have done.

They could lift the blockade, allowing anybody who wants to to ship arms, fighters, and terrorists to help Hamas, or they could do something more or less like what they did. Or ... what?

 

[Smoke]

No excuse. Governments are not entitled to use lethal force at the drop of a hat.

How about at the drop of their soldiers? The soldiers responded to attacks by the "peace activists."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

How about at the drop of their soldiers? The soldiers responded to attacks by the "peace activists."

You're wasting your time, Smoke. Facts are wholly insufficient weapons when faced with intellectual road kill committed to the eradication of Israel.

 

[Smoke]

Don't the religious chant about the second coming of Christ and everyone being slaughtered?

No. I've never heard anything like that among Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant Christians.

Further, according to your link, the people who were being interviewed simply said "God willing, we will reach gaza or martyrdom". I do not understand how this can be construed as terrorism.

Please. "Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!" That's the chant of "peace activists"?

 

[Smoke]

I do not think sticks, chairs and knives stolen from the commandos themselves count as weapons.

Really? Let me run at you with a metal pole, beat you with chairs and metal bars, and stab you, and then you tell me if those things count as weapons.

 

[YmirGF]

I'll ignore the sarcasm and simply admit that I do not know, and that I sincerely hope that the Israeli people prove themselves willing and capable of making that determination. I suspect it will be very difficult, particularly since a natural response is to circle the wagons in the face of antisemitic hyperbole. I'll also note that I'm sorry that you seem to think your comment relevant.

My apologies, Jay. I didn't mean it to sound sarcastic. I was genuinely curious about who you think would be the best leader, given the current circumstances. You are one of the most astute thinkers on RF about the whole situation, so I thought your opinion would be valuable.

 

[Smoke]

So give me a justification for a government to attack a ship on international waters and kill 9 civilians.

All this weeping about international waters is just a way of saying Israel has no right to enforce the blockade.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States boarded Russian ships both in Cuban waters and in international waters. Lifting the blockade would be a serious threat to Israel's security. Israel is right to enforce the blockade by any means necessary.

 

[Smoke]

Your post misses the point that the blockade of Gaza cannot be justified in the first place.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ter-gaza-embargo-us-supporters-to-blame/full/

I think it can.

Even if it couldn't, though, would you honestly expect Israel to lift the blockade at the demand foreign activists? If you want to run a blockade, you take your chances.

 

[Panda]

How about at the drop of their soldiers? The soldiers responded to attacks by the "peace activists."

The point is there soldiers should not have been there to begin with.

 

[YmirGF]

All this weeping about international waters is just a way of saying Israel has no right to enforce the blockade.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States boarded Russian ships both in Cuban waters and in international waters. Lifting the blockade would be a serious threat to Israel's security. Israel is right to enforce the blockade by any means necessary.

I think also that those who feel the blockade is unwarranted are not actually paying attention to the "on the ground" reality. It's easy for people to say, from a safe distance, that such measures are unjustified, but when faced with such an unrelenting, truculent foe, I don't see that Israel has any real choice. For that, the "Palestinians" have only themselves to blame.

 

[Smoke]

The point is there soldiers should not have been there to begin with.

The point is, the activists should not have been there to begin with.

 

[YmirGF]

The point is, the activists should not have been there to begin with.

Details, details, details. This is becoming like the chicken and the egg...

 

[Panda]

The point is, the activists should not have been there to begin with.

Yes it was monumentally stupid what the activists done but that doesn't change the fact that that Israeli troops boarded a vessel in international waters which is unlawful.

 

[dogsgod]

I think also that those who feel the blockade is unwarranted are not actually paying attention to the "on the ground" reality. It's easy for people to say, from a safe distance, that such measures are unjustified, but when faced with such an unrelenting, truculent foe, I don't see that Israel has any real choice. For that, the "Palestinians" have only themselves to blame.

Then the same can be said of the Nazis that turned Warsaw into a ghetto, and the Jews only had themselves to blame, is that what you are saying?. Or is it only right and just when it's Jews turning Gaza into a ghetto.

 

[Smoke]

Yes it was monumentally stupid what the activists done but that doesn't change the fact that that Israeli troops boarded a vessel in international waters which is unlawful.

Under the circumstances, I thinking Israel's boarding of the vessels is entirely justifiable. Again, all this crap about "international waters" is just a way of saying that Israel may not interfere with any kind of shipments anybody might make to Hamas.

Let me ask you: what do you think would be an appropriate response if Norway were firing rockets at civilian targets in Scotland? If Belgium were firing rockets at civilian targets in England?

What do you suppose would happen to anybody who tried to run a blockade imposed anywhere in the world by Britain, the United States, China, or Turkey? What would have happened if you had tried to run the NATO/EU blockade of Yugoslavia during the Yugoslav war?

 

[Smoke]

Then the same can be said of the Nazis that turned Warsaw into a ghetto, and the Jews only had themselves to blame, is that what you are saying?. Or is it only right and just when it's Jews turning Gaza into a ghetto.

Get a grip on yourself. Were the Jews of Warsaw firing rockets at Germany?

 

[dogsgod]

Under the circumstances, I thinking Israel's boarding of the vessels is entirely justifiable. Again, all this crap about "international waters" is just a way of saying that Israel may not interfere with any kind of shipments anybody might make to Hamas.

Let me ask you: what do you think would be an appropriate response if Norway were firing rockets at civilian targets in Scotland? If Belgium were firing rockets at civilian targets in England?

What do you suppose would happen to anybody who tried to run a blockade imposed anywhere in the world by Britain, the United States, China, or Turkey? What would have happened if you had tried to run the NATO/EU blockade of Yugoslavia during the Yugoslav war?

That would all depend on what country your government's propaganda campaign claims is a terrorist state because that appears to be what is doing your thinking for you.