Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Laniakea]

And I will repeat again:

I have no problem with Israel killing Hamas, even wiping them out. My problem is with the civilian killing.

But for some reason you fail to separate the two, that is why you ask me such an dumb question as above.

How do you know how many civilians have been killed? Hamas and the UN that is working with Hamas has been the only source.

 

[Bthoth]

The Hamas rockets came first. So did hostage-taking.

That's the narrative that you use.

The 10/7 atrocity was wrong but not random. Look up the 'al aqsa flood' and what that is about, to observe what would make people be so cruel.

Your "whataboutism" doesn't change that.

There is no excuse for 10/7, but you ranted about 12,000 rockets and when I called you out, to provide evidence, you knew and still know that it was just an embellishment.

Topic is how the PM of the apartheid will not allow a palestinian state. Is israel picking up the same style of hatred as ISIL, HAMAS and the other groups, that do not want a JSIL (israel) in the levant?

Sad that the hate is growing, back and forth.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the narrative that you use.

The 10/7 atrocity was wrong but not random. Look up the 'al aqsa flood' and what that is about, to observe what would make people be so cruel.

There is no excuse for 10/7, but you ranted about 12,000 rockets and when I called you out, to provide evidence, you knew and still know that it was just an embellishment.

Topic is how the PM of the apartheid will not allow a palestinian state. Is israel picking up the same style of hatred as ISIL, HAMAS and the other groups, that do not want a JSIL (israel) in the levant?

Sad that the hate is growing, back and forth.

For fervent Israel apologists, history began 10.7.23.

 

[Bthoth]

How do you know how many civilians have been killed? Hamas and the UN that is working with Hamas has been the only source.

UNRWA is an agency. ""The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) is a relief and human development agency. """"
The approximately 13,000 workers are primarily Palestinian civilians

It is not the United Nations itself. It's just a group that works to help the oppressed, rather than just giving HAMAS the money that the UN provides.

But your comment is suggesting that israel has no idea how many innocent civilians are being killed and since most of the building are down, then of the 2.5 million people in the concentration camp, that the figure could be over half a billion (using the embellishment methodology)

 

[Bthoth]

For fervent Israel apologists, history began 10.7.23.

That could be the problem. They stop at the last atrocity, that was against them and rarely observe what the IDF and terrorist settlers have been doing for even the last few years, let alone the last half century of apartheid and oppression.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Since I ask such "dumb questions", I'll leave you to yourself. However, it would help you understand much more if you studied modern warfare, especially "urban warfare", and the problems it creates.

BTW, when Hamas attacked, killed, raped, and kidnapped innocent civilians, there were large demonstrations in Gaza and throughout much of the Arab world. Doncha think that sorta sends a message to the Israelis and the rest of us?

So excuse the killing of thousands because Urban warfare is difficult.... right. No womder the Palestinians hate Israelis.

I am well aware of the anti semitism among muslims. Many of them push jewish conspiracy theories. Still no reason to bomb the lot of them.

 

[Samael_Khan]

How do you know how many civilians have been killed? Hamas and the UN that is working with Hamas has been the only source.

If we do not know how many civilians have been killed, we do not know how many hamas members have been killed. And if Israel doesnt know whether they are killing hamas members or not, then more damning on them.

 

[Revoltingest]

So excuse the killing of thousands because Urban warfare is difficult.... right. No womder the Palestinians hate Israelis.

I am well aware of the anti semitism among muslims. Many of them push jewish conspiracy theories. Still no reason to bomb the lot of them.

Zionists are fond of portraying Muslims & Palestinians
as anti-semites. But they're silent about the other side
of that coin, ie, Jews & Christians who are hate filled
islamophobes. Even for the few Zionists who might
admit the latter, they don't recognize that Israel's decades
of murder, theft, maiming, & brutal oppression cause it.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Zionists are fond of portraying Muslims & Palestinians
as anti-semites. But they're silent about the other side
of that coin, ie, Jews & Christians who are hate filled
islamophobes. Even for the few Zionists who might
admit the latter, they don't recognize that Israel's decades
of murder, theft, maiming, & brutal oppression cause it.

Hence why popular right wing figures propogate the dogwhistle of maintaining the "purity" of "judeo-christian values of the west"

 

[metis]

So excuse the killing of thousands because Urban warfare is difficult.... right. No womder the Palestinians hate Israelis

Maybe read this and tell us how you would react if it happened to you: Traumatised Hamas attack victim ‘pretended to be dead as women shot and raped around her’

Hamas knew what it was doing and knew in general what Israel's response would be, and yet they did what they did anyhow. Hamas is the government of Gaza, so one cannot simply call them a "terrorist group". Do I feel sorry for the innocents on both sides? Absolutely? Do I think Jewish lives are more important than Palestinian lives? No.

How many civilians were killed during WWII? Do you realize that many more civilians were killed than soldiers?

"War is hell!" Hamas started it, and yet so many blame Israelis and Jews for this and not Palestinians, and I do believe there's a name for that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hence why popular right wing figures propogate the dogwhistle of maintaining the "purity" of "judeo-christian values of the west"

Aye, Putin is the first to come to mind.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Maybe read this and tell us how you would react if it happened to you: Traumatised Hamas attack victim ‘pretended to be dead as women shot and raped around her’

Hamas knew what it was doing and knew in general what Israel's response would be, and yet they did what they did anyhow. Hamas is the government of Gaza, so one cannot simply call them a "terrorist group". Do I feel sorry for the innocents on both sides? Absolutely? Do I think Jewish lives are more important than Palestinian lives? No.

How many civilians were killed during WWII? Do you realize that many more civilians were killed than soldiers?

"War is hell!" Hamas started it, and yet so many blame Israelis and Jews for this and not Palestinians, and I do believe there's a name for that.

Yes Hamas is evil for what they did. The Israeli government is also evil for what they are doing.

If we are going the emotional route, then if that happened to my community I would want the perpetrators killed which I already mentioned I want to happen to Hamas (dunno why you are ignoring this).

And since you bring up the emotional argument, if you saw another country dropping bombs on your community and maiming everyone around you, how would you react?

When it comes to WW2 i think most of the countries involved were war criminals. Especially America with what it did to Japan, even before it dropped the big bombs.

And, as I separate Hamas from Palestinians, as well as separate them from muslims, I separate Israels government from Israelis, and Israelied from jews. So I don't know why you are bringing this up.

Also you say you dont view jewish lives as more important as Palestinians. But i am not talking about Jewish lives vs Palestinians, I am talking Israeli lives vs Palestinians. I think what you support and your rhetoric, favours Israeli lives over palestinian lives for sure.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Aye, Putin is the first to come to mind.

And the social media propagandists, like Jordan Petersen, the Daily Wire and influencers like them.

 

[metis]

Yes Hamas is evil for what they did. The Israeli government is also evil for what they are doing.

If we are going the emotional route, then if that happened to my community I would want the perpetrators killed which I already mentioned I want to happen to Hamas (dunno why you are ignoring this).

And since you bring up the emotional argument, if you saw another country dropping bombs on your community and maiming everyone around you, how would you react?

When it comes to WW2 i think most of the countries involved were war criminals. Especially America with what it did to Japan, even before it dropped the big bombs.

And, as I separate Hamas from Palestinians, as well as separate them from muslims, I separate Israels government from Israelis, and Israelied from jews. So I don't know why you are bringing this up.

Also you say you dont view jewish lives as more important as Palestinians. But i am not talking about Jewish lives vs Palestinians, I am talking Israeli lives vs Palestinians. I think what you support and your rhetoric, favours Israeli lives over palestinian lives for sure.

Believe what you want, especially since near the end you are basically calling me a "liar". This will be our last conversation.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Believe what you want, especially since near the end you are basically calling me a "liar". This will be our last conversation.

Uhuh.

 

[Laniakea]

That's the narrative that you use.

The 10/7 atrocity was wrong but not random. Look up the 'al aqsa flood' and what that is about, to observe what would make people be so cruel.

There is no excuse for 10/7, but you ranted about 12,000 rockets and when I called you out, to provide evidence, you knew and still know that it was just an embellishment.

Topic is how the PM of the apartheid will not allow a palestinian state. Is israel picking up the same style of hatred as ISIL, HAMAS and the other groups, that do not want a JSIL (israel) in the levant?

Sad that the hate is growing, back and forth.

Are you claiming that the New York Times is printing falsehoods?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the narrative that you use.

The 10/7 atrocity was wrong but not random. Look up the 'al aqsa flood' and what that is about, to observe what would make people be so cruel.

There is no excuse for 10/7, but you ranted about 12,000 rockets and when I called you out, to provide evidence, you knew and still know that it was just an embellishment.

Topic is how the PM of the apartheid will not allow a palestinian state. Is israel picking up the same style of hatred as ISIL, HAMAS and the other groups, that do not want a JSIL (israel) in the levant?

Sad that the hate is growing, back and forth.

Before 10.7.2023, Israel had been ramping up
the killing. Hamas must've been building its
infrastructure long before Oct 7, but perhaps
Israel's increased brutality influenced the
extent & timing of it's attack.

West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children

The Israeli military and border police forces are killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse for accountability.

www.hrw.org

 

[Laniakea]

Before 10.7.2023, Israel had been ramping up
the killing. Hamas must've been building its
infrastructure long before Oct 7, but perhaps
Israel's increased brutality influenced the
extent & timing of it's attack.

West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children

The Israeli military and border police forces are killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse for accountability.

www.hrw.org

Anything to make excuses for Hamas terrorists.

 

[libre]

Maybe read this and tell us how you would react if it happened to you

I am my worst self when I'm insecure. I make everything about me, I stop listening, it's hard for me to be honest, I receive feedback poorly or I might shirk accountability by looking for outside factors that I can blame.

For that reason, I cannot understand or agree with this style of argument. Governments have a responsibility to be better than that, and not attempt to act like or hide behind the deeply traumatized in how they conduct themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anything to make excuses for Hamas terrorists.

Do you still love seeing Muslim children slaughtered?