Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Samael_Khan]

No, I am not saying Israel must murder thousands upon thousands of Palestinian children for their security. I think it’s ludicrous that you would insinuate that is their intent or military plan. I never said anything, anywhere to give the impression I think snipers shooting mothers and children is “God’s work “, let alone following military orders. Specifically, how many mothers and children have been purposely shot by snipers? And do you have any information which indicates this is IDF protocol?

You say its ludicrous to insinuate that Israel is murdering thousands of children is their intent or plan.

Israel has literally killed thousands of children already so....

 

[Lyndon]

When Islamists commit acts of terrorism, they've earned those terrible things being said about them.

But when the IDF commits terrible acts of terrorism you praise them

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I am not saying Israel must murder thousands upon thousands of Palestinian children for their security. I think it’s ludicrous that you would insinuate that is their intent or military plan. I never said anything, anywhere to give the impression I think snipers shooting mothers and children is “God’s work “, let alone following military orders. Specifically, how many mothers and children have been purposely shot by snipers? And do you have any information which indicates this is IDF protocol?

My loaded question was designed to mock
your loaded question by aping its style.
Protocol can be de facto even if not de juro,
thereby giving plausible deniability to higher
ups.
But Israel's excessive brutality appears to
have government blessing.

Damage over accuracy: Israel admits bombing campaign in Gaza not limited to military targets | Milwaukee Independent

www.milwaukeeindependent.com

When an Israeli soldier killed 3 unarmed white
flag waving hostages because he thought they
were Palestinians, it shows intent to kill innocents.
This only became publicized because they were
Jews, not Muslims, thus it was a horrible accident
instead of the usual execution of Muslim civilians.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/middleeast/idf-accidentally-kills-hostages-gaza/index.html

 

[Revoltingest]

If a Muslim country began bombing us heavily and indiscriminately in retaliation for Uncle Sam bombing them you know thise who are OK with Israel doing it now would have an entirely different amd opposite attitude about it.

Well, bombing Muslims is one thing.
But bombing Christians & Jews....well
that's just wrong!
It's not the opposite attitude....because
the standard is that different religious
groups have more or less human value.

If Hamas had tunneled under Jewish
neighborhoods, there'd be no bombing
campaign....just conventional fighting.

 

[metis]

You say its ludicrous to insinuate that Israel is murdering thousands of children is their intent or plan.

Israel has literally killed thousands of children already so....

What do you think Hamas was doing when they started this?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You say its ludicrous to insinuate that Israel is murdering thousands of children is their intent or plan.

Not ludicrous, but either thoughtlessly vitriolic or transparently antisemitic or both.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not ludicrous, but either thoughtlessly vitriolic or transparently antisemitic or both.

You keep making accusations of anti-semitism.
(In this case, regarding my post.)
Well, your posts are "transparently" islamophobic
because they cry over Israeli deaths, but justify
mass murder of over ten thousand Muslim children.
Necessary for "self defense" they were, eh.

Let his post show you that wielding such insults
will inspire responses in kind. You like to accuse
advocates for Palestinians, & critics of Israel's
brutality of anti-semitism.
How do you feel about being accused of
islamophobia for defending genocide?

Your continued shrill insults are unproductive.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well, your posts are "transparently" islamophobic

Don't be silly -- or, more likely, intentionally inflammatory.

FWIW, I have actively opposed islamophobia since confronting it in the wake of 9/11.​

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't be silly -- or, more likely, intentionally inflammatory.

Just responding in kind to make a point about your penchant for ad hominems.

FWIW, I have actively opposed islamophobia since confronting it in the wake of 9/11.​

I'm sure you really believe I'm anti-semitic.
I don't believe you're really islamophobic.
But I do think you have humanity for Jews, but far less for Muslims.
Religion is often not good for people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But I do think you have humanity for Jews, but far less for Muslims.
Religion is often not good for people.

^ this speaks volumes ,,,

 

[Revoltingest]

^ this speaks volumes ,,,

Aye, it should.
I lament that people's religions inspire them
to hate, oppress, & kill their fellow man.
Your apparent disagreement also speaks tomes.

I post what I post because I want Palestinians,
Israel, & all neighbors living in peace & prosperity.
I see too many posts that only justify more war.
And now Republicans are calling for war on Iran,
News of today.
**** USA & Israel for fomenting ever more war,
& eschewing peaceful solutions.

 

[InChrist]

Because Israel aren't killing the perpertrators but massacring innocents.

Do you have any real proof of that claim? I have been trying to keep up on the subject and it appears that Israel is trying very hard to go after Hamas leaders and militants and find and rescue the hostages. While is it terribly sad that innocent people get killed in war situations, I don’t see anything indicating Israel’s goal is to “massacre innocents”.

 

[Lyndon]

Do you have any real proof of that claim? I have been trying to keep up on the subject and it appears that Israel is trying very hard to go after Hamas leaders and militants and find and rescue the hostages. While is it terribly sad that innocent people get killed in war situations, I don’t see anything indicating Israel’s goal is to “massacre innocents”.

Israel shot 4 of their own hostages, that's how careful they are to protect innocents, another 25 are presumed dead from bombing

 

[Bthoth]

The Gazans can leave whenever they wish.

Back to jerusalem and take the houses that are on their properties illegally.

Great idea.

Half of their land is on waterfront property.

Of gaza, sure.

So if they would devote as much time to building boats

War ships to protect their mineral rights to the leviathan gas fields?

as they do to building rockets and tunnels,

A ‘slik’ weapons cache in an underground tunnel in Kfar Giladi. (photo: Avi1111/CC BY-SA 2.5)
During the struggle to establish a Jewish state, the Haganah and other Jewish militias used underground tunnels called ‘Sliks’ for arms caches and weapons manufacture. The Sliks were located under schools, synagogues, kibbutzim, and anywhere else the British were not likely to look or attack.

Oh yea, they did learn from the terrorists, that took their lands.

they could go wherever they want.

That's the problem. They are under siege and held within a concentration camp that israel created and controls, by land air and sea.

Heck, there is even a southern border of the United states they could cross and get everything they want. Plenty of options available.

I get it, you dont care where they go, just leave to fulfill the wish of ethnic cleansing by their oppressors.

 

[Bthoth]

It's nice to see you finally admitting that antisemitism is what Hamas and their cheerleaders are showing.

Are you a cheerleader? i have not met a cheerleader of hamas.

Why do yo hate palestinians so much?

Is it their religion?

Good looks?

Or because Israelis cannot break them and control them without violence?

I hope you are willing to be educated beyond that.

Beyond what?


i am well aware that israel exists in palestine because of that stupid hill with no temple on it. Otherwise israel could be on a tropical island with streets paved in gold for the amount of money wasted on maintaining a concentration camp and apartheid.



and if israel was on a tropical island, that could be a reason for all Jews to live within such HOLY LAND. But as of now the majority live on this side of the lake, safe, happy and free and do not have a guilty conscious for having to take the homes and land of the palestinians, just to participate with the apartheid.

 

[Bthoth]

I see the source of confusion now. I meant it sarcastically. Put it together that way with sentence after it and then it makes sense.
He seemed to believe that when Hamas claims that 25,000 people were killed, they are all innocent civilians and being targeted by Israel, fueling the "genocide" narrative.

25k is not genocide.

But watching the apartheid defenders tell me that the people of gaza should leave the lands of palestine, then the taste of hatred is exposing the wish to clear out the locals from the lands

Not just watching the IDF destroy gaza about ever 8-10 yrs and the use of phosphorus munitions on civilians.

I've been watching this divide for about half a century and I have long past comprehended that israel does not represent Jews or Judaism, but is doing damage to the integrity of Jews and Judaism because a fringe group must have that mount and have been terrorizing the locals about every day of the week until they do something stupid, like 10/7 and start firing rockets again.

 

[Bthoth]

What does that even mean?

"Palestine" is just a name. Persons exist, land exists, and the persons occupy the land and organize themselves in various ways and give themselves collective names out of political convenience. Some of those names last for longer, even far longer than others.

In the case of Palestine, there is a strong case that it was always a fictional or at best tentative place.

The political will to promote a Palestinian Authority exists, as do various groups that attempt to be leaders of the persons on Gaza and on the West Bank, both politically and militarily. Those groups have a very difficult and often bloody coexistence with their neighbor Israel, but they do exist.

It seems to me that it takes some form of daring to accuse Israel of willingness to wipe Palestine off when what little exists of an actual Palestine is defined mostly by its willingness to offer their blood to oppose Israel's existence.

I love creative writing.

 

[LuisDantas]

I love creative writing.

I know.

 

[libre]

"Palestine" is just a name. Persons exist, land exists, and the persons occupy the land and organize themselves in various ways and give themselves collective names out of political convenience. Some of those names last for longer, even far longer than others.

Unclear if you are denying the existence of Indigenous peoples or just their rights.

 

[Sakeenah]

The focus at the moment should be nothing else but demanding a complete ceasefire now. Honestly I don't understand why we are discussing anything else at the moment.
Ceasefire will stop the increasing death toll in Gaza and enable aid agencies to get life saving aid, water and medical supplies into gaza. It will also allow hospitals to receive life saving medicines, fuel and equipment they desperately need and to repair damaged hospitals. It also provides opportunities to negotiate the release of the Israeli hostages.
The war needs to stop first, killing and starving people needs to stop.

To those that are defending Netanyahu and his reckless decisions, what are you smoking? Have you seen the images and videos? Have you seen the children whose limbs are being amputated without anaesthetics? Have you seen the testimonies of journalists and doctors who have witnessed all of the horrors?
Yes, what happened on the 7th of October is horrific and shouldn't have happened but how many more civilians have to die for you to say this is not right ? Is this about revenge?