Israel-Gaza : The bitter harvest of hate

[Revoltingest]

1. I have not made such a claim.

You did in post# 35...

But on what grounds is it proper to call it anti-semitism?

Because it's an attack on Jews.

 

[George Washington]

The accusation of "anti-semitism" has worn
out any real meaning. It's just an insult now.
Anti-Muslim is the more legitimate claim
in Israel & USA.

I don't like the term "anti-Semite" so much anymore either. I'd rather just call racists racists.

And there are a WHOLE LOT of racists in Gaza.

 

[Koldo]

1. I have not made such a claim.
2. Your statement is prima facie nonsense.

Shallow criticism, like always. You not keeping track of the conversation amuses me a bit though.

 

[Colt]

Does predictability justify that which is predicted?
If so, then what can be said of Israel's 70+ years
of deadly brutal oppression, theft, & murder of
Palestinians, & the consequent violent revolt
against the oppressor?

Israel uses this rationale to justify rampant murder
of vast swaths of Palestinians. Just blame Hamas,
then any war crime is OK....as long as its against
only Muslims & the occasional Christian.

Palestinian’s have conducted numerous terror attacks on Israeli civilians for decades. Their stated goal is the complete annihilation of the Jews. If they are “oppressed” it’s because they created the segregation. Generally speaking Arab Israeli citizens like their citizenship and standard of living.

Hamas started this war and they will be defeated.

 

[Colt]

Do I need to remind you that Israel has damaged over 20 hospitals so far? What do we call this other than state terrorism? Doesn't this mean, as per your rationale, that Hamas is justified in doing whatever it takes to kill Netanyahu even if means the death of many civilians? Or do you have a double standard?

It’s a war, Hamas uses hospitals and mosques as bases. But they were counting on your one eyed view.

Hamas ALREADY killed many civilians when they started the war! They have been randomly firing rockets into Israel civilian homes for years!

 

[George Washington]

From The Times of Israel:

Freed hostage Mia Schem: 'I experienced hell. There are no innocent civilians in Gaza'​

It is a long and deeply disturbing article where we can read:

Schem spoke in depth for the first time about the experience to both Channel 12 and 13 news, recounting the moments she was taken hostage, the suffering and mental torture she endured in captivity, and the experience of coming back home.​

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“It’s important to me to reveal the real situation about the people who live in Gaza, who they really are, and what I went through there,” she told Channel 13 news. “I experienced hell. Everyone there are terrorists… there are no innocent civilians, not one,” she said. “[Innocent civilians] don’t exist.”​

The article deserves to be read because Mia Schem deserves to be heard -- the truth of her trauma must be recognized and acknowledged. So, too, the trauma being endured by far, far too many innocent Palestinian civilians who do in fact exist.

Even as we prepare for a bitter harvest of hate I think it's really important to remember that empathy is not a zero sum game.

I was taken back by the little boy, who opened a bag of sweets and closed it. Then he went next to her, and opened the bag and closed it, and then walked away. That strikes me as Texas Chainsaw Massacre kind of crazy.

That's a really disturbing level of child abuse that this disgusting family has put their child into.

Hopefully the parents get the death penalty, and their child gets adopted into a new family where he can recieve mental care.

 

[George Washington]

Wait, has anyone seen the movie Misery? That's how I'm picturing the mom. Freaks!

 

[libre]

How does them not being a legitimate military target (and saying that they are) entails antisemitism?

As I mentioned previously, it's a double-standard that only seems to apply to jewish people.

If a 21 year old Canadian civilian was kidnapped by terrorists in unceded land, there would be no universe where the media would drum up 'settlers aren't civilians' to defend it.

 

[libre]

By saying that attacks on settlers are done out of antisemitism,

You don't understand at all the issue with the slogan or the point I was making.

The word settler can be used to refer to people operating illegal outposts in the West Bank as the UN and mainstream media can, but many consider Israelis to be a settler nation in and of themselves and refer to Israelis as settlers.

So by using this word trickery of 'settlers aren't civilians' they are trying to project the evils of the landgrabbers onto people who just live in Israel, in areas that have been part of Israel for 75+ years.

It's not that 'attacks on settlers are done', it's that Jewish civilians are being attacked and apologists are retreating to a really pathetic motte and bailey fallacy.

Trivializing the suffering of jews in ways that would not be done to non-jews is antisemitic.

 

[George Washington]

Trivializing the suffering of jews in ways that would not be done to non-jews is anantisemitic.

And it's RACIST.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I was taken back by the little boy, who opened a bag of sweets and closed it. Then he went next to her, and opened the bag and closed it, and then walked away. That strikes me as Texas Chainsaw Massacre kind of crazy.

That's a really disturbing level of child abuse that this disgusting family has put their child into.

Hopefully the parents get the death penalty, and their child gets adopted into a new family where he can recieve mental care.

That would not be my hope.

 

[George Washington]

That would not be my hope.

You're a better man than I, Jayhawker Soule.

 

[Revoltingest]

Palestinian’s have conducted numerous terror attacks on Israeli civilians for decades.

I wonder why that could be?
Is there anything Israel does to provoke them?

Their stated goal is the complete annihilation of the Jews.

All Palestinians?
As far as annihilation goes, Israel doesn't state
it as a goal, but it's sure far more effective at
extermination than any of Israel's enemies.

If they are “oppressed” it’s because they created the segregation.

The Palestinians are responsible for apartheid, eh.
That is a fascinating belief.

Generally speaking Arab Israeli citizens like their citizenship and standard of living.

And so the 2 tier justice system that favors
Jews over Muslims is therefore fair, eh.

Hamas started this war and they will be defeated.

Israel apologists are delusional. Belief that
ramping up death & oppression will yield
victory has been tried for many decades.
The whole country is insane.

 

[George Washington]

The whole country is insane.

You can't say that, Revoltingest. You can't say that because I'm not allowed to say that all Palestinians are insane.

Delete it please.

 

[Revoltingest]

You can't say that, Revoltingest. You can't say that because I'm not allowed to say that all Palestinians are insane.

Delete it please.

I might not be allowed.
However, I've said that Germany went
insane when it embraced Hitler. Should
certain opinions be prohibited when the
subject is somehow sacred to the majority?

 

[George Washington]

I might not be allowed.
However, I've said that Germany went
insane when it embraced Hitler. Should
certain opinions be prohibited when the
subject is somehow sacred to the majority?

Okie dokie then.

 

[Koldo]

It’s a war, Hamas uses hospitals and mosques as bases. But they were counting on your one eyed view.

Hamas ALREADY killed many civilians when they started the war! They have been randomly firing rockets into Israel civilian homes for years!

What stops me from criticizing both Hamas and Israel?

 

[George Washington]

What stops me from criticizing both Hamas and Israel?

That's not fair. When you criticize "Israel' you're criticizing babies, elderly, the handicapped, all the people. Then on the other hand, only Hamas?

 

[Koldo]

Trivializing the suffering of jews in ways that would not be done to non-jews is antisemitic.

Who is trivializing the suffering of jews?

 

[Koldo]

That's not fair. When you criticize "Israel' you're criticizing babies, elderly, the handicapped, all the people. Then on the other hand, only Hamas?

What's not fair? When I mention Israel, I am holding the government of Israel and those supporting it's terrorist actions responsible. Definitely not the babies...