Israel-Gaza : The bitter harvest of hate

[Jayhawker Soule]

This is deranged.

Would you characterize the actions of Hamas as "deranged"?

 

[Yerda]

Would you characterize the actions of Hamas as "deranged"?

Obviously.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If one truly wants peace, then convince Hamas to stop fighting, including firing rockets into Israel as they did [200 or so] on New Years Day. If they cared about their own people, they would stop as some already have done. After all, it was Hama who started this latest assault-- not Israel.

Diplomacy broke down years ago.

The peace process has been predicated on a "two-state solution" thus far, but questions have been raised towards both sides' resolve to end the dispute. An article by S. Daniel Abraham, an American entrepreneur and founder of the Center for Middle East Peace in Washington, US, published on the website of the Atlantic magazine in March 2013, cited the following statistics: "Right now, the total number of Jews and Arabs living... in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza is just under 12 million people. At the moment, a shade under 50 percent of the population is Jewish."

In April 2021, Human Rights Watch released its report A Threshold Crossed, making accusations that the policies of Israel towards Palestinians living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the crime of apartheid. A further report titled Israel's Apartheid Against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime Against Humanity was released by Amnesty International on 1 February 2022.
Israeli-Palestinian_conflict - Wikipedia

It is clear from the above, that Israel has become more emboldened with their capital being
transferred from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem, and intend to quieten any opposition .. one way or another.
It is obvious to me, that a people imprisoned in Gaza behind borders that are manned by Israel
will eventually result in disaster. Why are people surprised?
I don't think even the most pious can control their anger indefinitely .. it only takes a few..

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn't blame anyone for having such an emotional responce after being tortured and/or raped, even if the sentiment is wrong.

A public emotional response destined
to enhance wrongful bloodshed is
evil. She has reason for evil feelings.
But evil is as evil does. She is.

 

[Estro Felino]

A public emotional response destined
to enhance wrongful bloodshed is
evil. She has reason for evil feelings.
But evil is as evil does. She is.

One question: if the Gazans are all victims of Hamas, why don't they seek an alliance with Israel?
It doesn't add up.
Your narrative doesn't add up.
It's illogical, with all due respect.

 

[Koldo]

One question: if the Gazans are all victims of Hamas, why don't they seek an alliance with Israel?
It doesn't add up.
Your narrative doesn't add up.
It's illogical, with all due respect.

I don't think they are ALL victims of Hamas. There must a part of the population that actively supports Hamas. How big is this group though? No idea. As for the ones that are indeed victims of Hamas, it is important to remember Israel is worse than Hamas to Gazans. Why seek an alliance with Israel then? Best case scenario, Gaza would end up like another West Bank (heavily occupied and controlled by Israel).

 

[Father Heathen]

One question: if the Gazans are all victims of Hamas, why don't they seek an alliance with Israel?
It doesn't add up.
Your narrative doesn't add up.
It's illogical, with all due respect.

They're not an organization with representatives, so it's illogical to think that's an option.

 

[Father Heathen]

A public emotional response destined
to enhance wrongful bloodshed is
evil. She has reason for evil feelings.
But evil is as evil does. She is.

I wouldn't condemn victims of rape and/or torture for saying 'evil' things out of anger and pain. Of course they're wrong, but they're also not in a stable state of mind due to the trauma and deluge of emotions.

 

[Revoltingest]

One question: if the Gazans are all victims of Hamas, why don't they seek an alliance with Israel?

It's a loaded question.
I don't know that they haven't.
Even if so, I don't know.

One question...
Do you approve of what Israel
& Israelis do to Palestinians?

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a loaded question.
I don't know that they haven't.
Even if so, I don't know.

One question...
Do you approve of what Israel
& Israelis do to Palestinians?

We are discussing Gazans here. I think Gazans are a separate region than actual Palestine, or West Bank.
Well...Gazans elected Hamas.
So...if they elected Hamas, it means that theirs is not a peaceful approach, so since Douglas Murray went there and verified the situation, I trust what he says.

 

[Father Heathen]

We are discussing Gazans here. I think Gazans are a separate region than actual Palestine, or West Bank.
Well...Gazans elected Hamas.
So...if they elected Hamas, it means that theirs is not a peaceful approach, so since Douglas Murray went there and verified the situation, I trust what he says.

The 6,600 slain children didn't vote for Hamas.

 

[Estro Felino]

The 6,600 slain children didn't vote for Hamas.

The fact that there were so many children shows that they were fine.
I mean...the narrative that Gazans were in a prison was false. If you are in a prison, you don't make children that will have to undergo captivity.
I believe the opposite. They were fine, thanks to the aid from the West and Qatar.
That's why they made so many children. No EU country has their birth rates.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn't condemn victims of rape and/or torture for saying 'evil' things out of anger and pain. Of course they're wrong, but they're also not in a stable state of mind due to the trauma and deluge of emotions.

Evil people always have reasons for being
evil....perhaps some genetics....very often
trauma. Do you offer the
same excuse for Nazis & other violent bigots
who aren't typically seen as victims?

 

[Revoltingest]

We are discussing Gazans here. I think Gazans are a separate region than actual Palestine, or West Bank.
Well...Gazans elected Hamas.
So...if they elected Hamas, it means that theirs is not a peaceful approach, so since Douglas Murray went there and verified the situation, I trust what he says.

I answered your question.
You didn't answer mine.

 

[Revoltingest]

The fact that there were so many children shows that they were fine.
I mean...the narrative that Gazans were in a prison was false. If you are in a prison, you don't make children that will have to undergo captivity.
I believe the opposite. They were fine, thanks to the aid from the West and Qatar.
That's why they made so many children. No EU country has their birth rates.

I should be inured by now, but
you continue to astound me.

 

[Estro Felino]

I should be inured by now, but
you continue to astound me.

The Ancient Greeks would have said that in Gaza there is the extremization of Eros and Thanatos.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Ancient Greeks would have said that in Gaza there is the extremization of Eros and Thanatos. Too much sex and too much death.

Still no answer for my question in post# 149?

 

[Father Heathen]

Evil people always have reasons for being
evil....perhaps some genetics....very often
trauma. Do you offer the
same excuse for Nazis & other violent bigots
who aren't typically seen as victims?

...what? You clearly didn't understand my point.

 

[Father Heathen]

The fact that there were so many children shows that they were fine.
I mean...the narrative that Gazans were in a prison was false. If you are in a prison, you don't make children that will have to undergo captivity.
I believe the opposite. They were fine, thanks to the aid from the West and Qatar.
That's why they made so many children. No EU country has their birth rates.

What does this drivel have to with the fact that they were needlessly killed?

 

[Estro Felino]

What does this drivel have to with the fact that they were needlessly killed?

Your country needlessly killed the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Was your country right then? If it was, so is Israel now.