Israel - Iran Conflict Seems More Likely

[Revoltingest]

And what would the Israeli lobby be without tens of millions of Christians and Israel supporters whose votes and opinion can make or break the policy makers?

Yes, indeedy....I hadn't mentioned the faiths/cultures behind the Israeli lobby (already covered so much).
But both Xians & Jews comprise the lobby.

 

[F0uad]

Just ask the folks in Syria and Lebanon.

Yup and they both would prefer Iran above Israel anyday don't you remember when Israel bombed Lebanon? Iran is allies with Syria so they would prefer Iran to.

 

[F0uad]

Yes, indeedy....I hadn't mentioned the faiths/cultures behind the Israeli lobby (already covered so much).
But both Xians & Jews comprise the lobby.

I don't think he knows what the AIPAC is.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yup and they both would prefer Iran above Israel anyday don't you remember when Israel bombed Lebanon? Iran is allies with Syria so they would prefer Iran to.

What world do you live in?

Hezbollah, Syrian opposition clashes intensify, raise fears in Lebanon​

Literally friends to the death ...

 

[F0uad]

What world do you live in?

Hezbollah, Syrian opposition clashes intensify, raise fears in Lebanon​

Literally friends to the death ...

I am fully aware of this nonsense but please qoute me something in that article were it says that the opposition of Hezbollah or the Rebel fighters in Syria oppose Iran?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps some more 'nonsense' ...

The Syrian occupation of Lebanon began in 1976 as a result of the civil war and ended in April 2005 in response to domestic and international pressure after the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri.

In January 1976, a Syrian proposal to restore the limits to the Palestinian guerrilla presence in Lebanon, which had been in place prior to the outbreak of the civil war, was welcomed by Maronites and conservative Muslims, but rejected by the Palestinian guerrillas and their Lebanese Druze-led and leftist allies. In June, 1976, To deal with the opposition posed by this latter group (which was normally allied with Syria), Syria dispatched Palestinian units under its control into Lebanon, and soon after sent in its own troops as well. Syrian claims these interventions came in response to appeals from Christian villagers under attack by Leftists in Lebanon.

By October 1976, Syria had caused significant damage to the strength of the Leftists and their Palestinian allies, but at a meeting of the Arab League, it was forced to accept a ceasefire. The League ministers decided to expand an existing small Arab peacekeeping force in Lebanon, but it grew to be a large Arab Deterrent Force consisting almost entirely of Syrian troops. The Syrian military intervention was thus legitimized and received subsidies from the Arab League for its activities.

Analyzing whether and when the Syrian presence was a military occupation under international law, Gerhard von Glahn claimed that the mandate of the Force was renewed several times before it officially expired on July 27, 1982. The Lebanese government refused to request that the mandate be renewed by the Arab League and instead, in September 1986, Lebanon actually requested an end to the Syrian presence in Lebanon. Hence, according to von Glahn, it appeared that lacking legal authority from both Lebanon and the Arab League, Syria's military forces had to be regarded henceforth as illegal occupants of Lebanon."

In 1989, at the final accords of the civil war, two rival administrations were formed in Lebanon: a military one under Aoun in East Beirut and a civilian one under Selim el-Hoss based in West Beirut; the latter gained the support of the Syrians. Aoun opposed the Syrian presence in Lebanon, citing the 1982 UN Security Council Resolution 520. In the resulting "War of Liberation", which erupted in March 1989, Aoun's forces were defeated and he himself exiled from Lebanon. In 1991, a Treaty of "Brotherhood, Cooperation, and Coordination", signed between Lebanon and Syria, legitimized the Syrian military presence in Lebanon. It stipulated that Lebanon would not be made a threat to Syria's security and that Syria was responsible for protecting Lebanon from external threats. In September that same year a Defense and Security Pact was enacted between the two countries.

Following the assassination of the Lebanese ex-premier Rafik Hariri in 2005, and an alleged involvement of Syria in his death a public uprising nicknamed Cedar Revolution had swept the country. With the consequent adoption of UN resolution 1559, Syria was forced to announce its full withdrawal from Lebanon on April 30, 2005.

- source

 

[Flankerl]

Yup and they both would prefer Iran above Israel anyday don't you remember when Israel bombed Lebanon? Iran is allies with Syria so they would prefer Iran to.

Oh yes Sunni and Shia muslims in Lebanon and Syria do love each other... like to death. There are these fun areas in Beirut where they shoot at each other from their homes because they live on seperate hills.

But i agree that Sunnis prefer to live under evil heretics than under evil jews.

 

[Assad91]

I am fully aware of this nonsense but please qoute me something in that article were it says that the opposition of Hezbollah or the Rebel fighters in Syria oppose Iran?

You didn't know? Hezbollah and Iran are supporting Bashar. Why wouldn't the mujahideen NOT oppose Iran?

 

[Revoltingest]

Now Kerry weighs in to heighten tensions....
John Kerry Concedes Iran Is Moving Closer to Possessing Nuclear Weapon - ABC News

 

[Assad91]

Well we both agree that Israeli is a dark spot on the map for the middle-eastern countries until they accept Palestine as sovereign state. I rather see Iran with nukes since its foreign policy is much friendlier then that of Israel.

Really? Brother Iran is as much, if not MORE of a threat to the Countries in the Middle East.

Well Saudi's government isn't really the biggest player in the middle-east any-more and its just America's puppet. Even Saudian Arabians the common civilians prefer Iran then Israel heck any muslim would and this has nothing to do with the Sunni, Shia or being Jewish but Israeli's policies.

Yeah right. I perfer neither. Both are just as bad as each other

 

[F0uad]

Really? Brother Iran is as much, if not MORE of a threat to the Countries in the Middle East.

Then Israel? You have to be kidding me..

Yeah right. I perfer neither. Both are just as bad as each other[

I don't want Iran to have nukes but what right has Israel to say that Iran can't have one when they themselves poses over 200.
What is Israel going to do with those nukes Bomb Mecca or Medina?

 

[Assad91]

Then Israel? You have to be kidding me..


I don't want Iran to have nukes but what right has Israel to say that Iran can't have one when they themselves poses over 200.
What is Israel going to do with those nukes Bomb Mecca or Medina?

Yes, more of a threat then Israel. Unlike Israel, Iran has its eyes on the rest of the Middle east.


Israel has no want to Mecca or Medina. Iran would more likely use nukes against the Gulf States, or any state with a Sunni majority.

 

[F0uad]

Yes, more of a threat then Israel. Unlike Israel, Iran has its eyes on the rest of the Middle east.
Israel has no want to Mecca or Medina. Iran would more likely use nukes against the Gulf States, or any state with a Sunni majority.

This is probably something the Western Media and the Saudi Officials are teaching you.. O wait the Saudi's are in bed with the West.

Lets look at history who is killing the Palestinians and who is supporting them?
Who had in the past 100 years wars with Sunni countries Israel or Iran?
Who took over a state of a other country were only Sunni's lived Israel or Iran?
Who has foreign and internal policies that are aimed towards Muslims Israel or Iran?
Who controls and is allied with America Israel or Iran?

Like i said i don't want to see Iran with nukes but i rather see them with nukes since they have a clean history in comparison with the Zionist government.

Iran denounced any attack of America on Iraq, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries while Israel is supporting them, Shia's are not the enemy differences are acceptable you don't have to belief what they do but i would prefer a Shia above a Zionist any-day.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The war with Iran is not a matter of if bit a matter of when.

 

[Flankerl]

Lets look at history who is killing the Palestinians and who is supporting them?

lol
You know there is a funny reason why the PLO is not present at all in Jordan.

Who had in the past 100 years wars with Sunni countries Israel or Iran?

Well it cant be Israel as it isnt that old.

Who took over a state of a other country were only Sunni's lived Israel or Iran?

Must be another country because its neither of them.
Except you want to claim that only Sunnis used to live in a certain area. (Please do so, i want laugh)

Who has foreign and internal policies that are aimed towards Muslims Israel or Iran?

Well as there are muslims in Iran i kinda guess that it has policies aimed at them.
Also Iran loves to meddle with Shias outside of Iran. See Hezbollah.

Who controls and is allied with America Israel or Iran?

Ah yes Israel controls the USA. Now we are on to something.

 

[F0uad]

lol
You know there is a funny reason why the PLO is not present at all in Jordan

How is this relevant?

Well it cant be Israel as it isnt that old.

I think he fully knows what i am talking about and Israel is a threat to its neighboring countries and that is a fact.

Must be another country because its neither of them.
Except you want to claim that only Sunnis used to live in a certain area. (Please do so, i want laugh)

Hmm lets see prior to 48 over 85% was Muslim then they got invaded by foreign secular Jews and they took over the country. Did Iran ever do such crime?

Well as there are muslims in Iran i kinda guess that it has policies aimed at them.
Also Iran loves to meddle with Shias outside of Iran. See Hezbollah.

I am talking about hostile policies DUH?

Ah yes Israel controls the USA. Now we are on to something.

Hmm lets see what is the AIPAC according to you?

Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate."

Scroll to the 40 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw

 

[Caladan]

Some hard facts.
According to some statistics there were over a million casualties in the Iran-Iraq war. That's a million Muslims, compare that to about 15,000 Israelis and Palestinians combined killed in the past 60+ years since the establishment of the State of Israel.
Iran is destabilizing the Middle East much more aggressively than Israel. Iranian leaders can repeat the mantra of 'Iran never invaded a country' a thousand times, but it is meaningless when they have taken Lebanon hostage with their support and arming of Hezballah, making it the dominating force in Lebanon, and using both Hezballah and Hamas as proxies against Israel or while financing global terror attacks, and Shiite militant groups to destabilize Sunni nations.
Another hard fact, Palestinians have suffered just as much from Muslim Arabs as they may have from Israel. Hundreds of thousands of them have been expelled by Arab countries, tens of thousands have been killed, and millions are kept without the most basic rights, often sealed off in refugee camps where they eat each other with crime and poverty.

Israel and many Sunni Arab states may not have official diplomatic relations, but they have a concrete understanding and agreements behind the scene. Many Sunni states by far consider Iran to be the number one threat to their stability and to the stability of the Middle East.
Israel might be a strong power house, but it has no need or desire for a Jewish hegemony over the Middle East, unlike Iran and its allies desire for Shiite supremacy.
When that moment arrives, Israel would take normalization with the rest of the countries in the Middle East. Iran on the other hand actively sponsors, trains and arms Shiite (and Sunni groups) in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Gaza, Iraq and other places. Even in your country Fouad, Morocco, the government has accused Iran of destabilizing the country. Here is what your government (and King) did and said about Iran in 2009:

Morocco has severed diplomatic relations with Iran, accusing the Iranian diplomatic mission in Rabat of seeking to spread Shia Islam in the predominantly Sunni Muslim kingdom.

A statement from Morocco's foreign ministry on Friday accused the Iranian embassy of "intolerable interference in the internal affairs of the kingdom", and of engaging in activities which threatened the religious unity of the country.

"The Kingdom of Morocco has decided to break its diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran beginning this Friday," the ministry said.

Source: Morocco severs relations with Iran - Africa - Al Jazeera English

The reality is, that at any given time there is sectarian violence and wars in the Middle East (and the larger Muslim world) completely unrelated to the State of Israel. Many Muslims would soon be able to make peace with Israel under the right conditions than between themselves.
Israel may be a strong power house, but at the end of the day it is a small country, with only a handful of million of citizens. It is in the edge of the Eastern Mediterranean and is far from being a force to match the harsh economic woes, sectarian violence, civil wars, and wars between nations inside the Muslim Middle East.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some more hard facts:
- The US instigated the Iran v Iraq war, beginning with the coup & leading to the revolution, which Iraq exploited as a time to attack with US support (including chem & bio weapons).

Iran
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the US isn't currently the biggest destabilizing force in the Mid-East, it has been & certainly could be once again.

 

[Caladan]

Some more hard facts:
- The US instigated the Iran v Iraq war, beginning with the coup & leading to the revolution, which Iraq exploited as a time to attack with US support (including chem & bio weapons).

Iran
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the US isn't currently the biggest destabilizing force in the Mid-East, it has been & certainly could be once again.

That the US executes its foreign policy in the Middle East (and the rest of the world) with impunity does not excuse Iran from anything. Iran was not innocent, not in the prologue to the Iran-Iraq war, not during that war, nor in its aftermath.

 

[Revoltingest]

That the US executes its foreign policy in the Middle East (and the rest of the world) with impunity does not excuse Iran from anything. Iran was not innocent, not in the prologue to the Iran-Iraq war, not during that war, nor in its aftermath.

If Iran does wrong, it is not to be excused. But if they have a desire to wield nukes, they have good reason.
And since the US is culpable, we have an obligation to settle the danger by some better mans than going to war.