Israel, What in the hell?

[CMike]

Also, not likely as long as Netanahu is there.

And two and even three-state solutions sound great, but until the people stop killing each other, an n-state solution won't solve the problem.

Netanyahu has been far more generous to the arab leadership than they deserve.

He has repeatedly offered to negotiate them anytime, anywhere. And they repeatedly reject these offers and attempt to get pre-conditions before even negotiating.

Israel completely pulled out of Gaza.

If the arab leadership in judea and samaria showed that they didn't want to kill all the jews they probably would have a state.

 

[CMike]

Israel used the kidnapping of three teens that had nothing to do with Hamas to start a war.

but...
"they just want to be left alone"

Hamas disagrees with you.
Gaza War: Hamas Admits Kidnapping Three Israeli Teens - NBC News

 

[CMike]

Israel appropriates massive tract of West Bank land - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

I am speechless kind of.
So another settlement will appear with gated community shunning Palestinians.

I thought part of the goal was two state area? How is this helping anything?

For one thing real estate in Israel is very expensive.

By creating more supply it may help bring down the costs so more people can afford to make aliyah (move to Israel).

Hopefully, Israel will do a lot more of this.

 

[CMike]

This explains a lot.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152377793368717

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

Loyal to the bone... Cmike

Your link to NBC is rubbish, as there are several conflicting accounts and different versions.
Though you found something that fills your needs so no further investigation needed right?

How about all the military installations I've already talked about.
Instead of cherry picking topics address what's been presented.

Pathetic and boring really...

 

[CMike]

Loyal to the bone... Cmike

Your link to NBC is rubbish, as there are several conflicting accounts and different versions.
Though you found something that fills your needs so no further investigation needed right?

How about all the military installations I've already talked about.
Instead of cherry picking topics address what's been presented.

Pathetic and boring really...

What military installations?

When you rely on Hamas Daily you don't get the truth.

I will help you.

Hamas Admits To Kidnapping And Killing Israeli Teens : NPR

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/22/world/meast/israel-teens-death-hamas/

Gaza War: Hamas Admits Kidnapping Three Israeli Teens - NBC News

Hamas admits to kidnapping three Israeli teens - Israel News, Ynetnews

Senior Hamas official says group abducted Israeli teens

Hamas admits kidnapping 3 Israeli teens in West Bank - CBS News

Let me guess, it's all rubbish, right?

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

What military installations?

When you rely on Hamas Daily you don't get the truth.

I will help you.

Hamas Admits To Kidnapping And Killing Israeli Teens : NPR

Hamas leader admits militants abducted slain teens - CNN.com

Gaza War: Hamas Admits Kidnapping Three Israeli Teens - NBC News

Hamas admits to kidnapping three Israeli teens - Israel News, Ynetnews

Senior Hamas official says group abducted Israeli teens

Hamas admits kidnapping 3 Israeli teens in West Bank - CBS News

Let me guess, it's all rubbish, right?

This is the problem with agenda driven folks.

1st, they cite anything that seems to support their supposed expertise on the subject matter
2nd, the information presented by said type of people only lead to mislead those that are to lazy to research the claims.

Rubbish you ask? Well, let's look at the articles and see.

First is there a common theme to each of them (other than the kidnapping)? Why,yes there is. A single spokesman cited by any news agency looking for headlines.

All links you cited quoted the same identical source. No other party or corroborating evidence.

Saleh al-Arouri is the Hamas leader that all these links cite for the dreaded red handed assertion, they are guilty.

In addition the the link I will submit that suggests other Hamas leaders have not supported his claim, there are those even in the Israeli circles that suggest he has other motives to making such a claim. He has a past and background of devising such schemes of kidnapping, so it should seem like a slam dunk if he claims responsibility, right?

Well are you aware that people often attach themselves to ideologies, events, clubs, for ulterior motives? Take for example the many thousand of people that claim to be Navy Seals, because of what it affords them.

Since there is no other Hamas leader making the claim, or supporting this guy, I am not willing to swallow it as easily as you. Then again, I don't have a bias or agenda either. I am on neither side, and am simply looking at the evidence.

In the court of law, his testimony would not be enough.

Show me some support for his claim and I seriously would consider Hamas had something to do with it. I am not arguing with you to just argue. I am trying to force people to do more work before making conclusions.

Hamas official: we were behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers | World news | The Guardian

 

[CMike]

A very good analysis

The Jewish Press » » Arab Sources: State Dept Again Pressuring Israel to Restart Talks

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

A very good analysis

The Jewish Press » » Arab Sources: State Dept Again Pressuring Israel to Restart Talks

The Jewish Press would never be biased as a source.:sarcastic

 

[Sunstone]

How is this helping anything?

Well, it might be helping Israel progress down the road to a cliff.

 

[CMike]

This is the problem with agenda driven folks.

1st, they cite anything that seems to support their supposed expertise on the subject matter
2nd, the information presented by said type of people only lead to mislead those that are to lazy to research the claims.

Rubbish you ask? Well, let's look at the articles and see.

First is there a common theme to each of them (other than the kidnapping)? Why,yes there is. A single spokesman cited by any news agency looking for headlines.

All links you cited quoted the same identical source. No other party or corroborating evidence.

Saleh al-Arouri is the Hamas leader that all these links cite for the dreaded red handed assertion, they are guilty.

In addition the the link I will submit that suggests other Hamas leaders have not supported his claim, there are those even in the Israeli circles that suggest he has other motives to making such a claim. He has a past and background of devising such schemes of kidnapping, so it should seem like a slam dunk if he claims responsibility, right?

Well are you aware that people often attach themselves to ideologies, events, clubs, for ulterior motives? Take for example the many thousand of people that claim to be Navy Seals, because of what it affords them.

Since there is no other Hamas leader making the claim, or supporting this guy, I am not willing to swallow it as easily as you. Then again, I don't have a bias or agenda either. I am on neither side, and am simply looking at the evidence.

In the court of law, his testimony would not be enough.

Show me some support for his claim and I seriously would consider Hamas had something to do with it. I am not arguing with you to just argue. I am trying to force people to do more work before making conclusions.

Hamas official: we were behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers | World news | The Guardian

I gave you the links to six different news outlets.

Apparently they consider the Hamas representative to be a Hamas represenative.

Hamas admitted to being behind the kidnapping and muder of the three Israeli teens.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

I gave you the links to six different news outlets.

Apparently they consider the Hamas representative to be a Hamas represenative.

Hamas admitted to being behind the kidnapping and muder of the three Israeli teens.

No, one person was reported by six sources. Unsubstantiated claims by one person seeking relevance as he sits exiled.

I ask you to simply consider the reason for only one source that claims this, but no you are so drunk in your desire to be right, these six citations might as well be the words of God.
Why ignore the Israeli leaders that doubt the legitimacy of the claim? Suppose you know more than they?

All I'm saying is there is good reason to doubt his claim. Aren't you interested in journalist integrity? Rather than argue with me, tell me why you take this one mans words above other experts? You have no doubt at all?

This would normally suggest a person was either dishonest or missing the intelligence to be involved in such discussions.

I asked for proof, you attempted by giving six sources citing the same questionable character, whom other experts question his claim.

That's hardly proof.

 

[CMike]

And that one person was considered a Hamas representative.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

And that one person was considered a Hamas representative.

Oh and now all of sudden they are trustworthy to you.

Can't have it both ways Cmike.

Case closed, you lose...

Next game? What do you have?

 

[CMike]

Oh and now all of sudden they are trustworthy to you.

Can't have it both ways Cmike.

Case closed, you lose...

Next game? What do you have?

See no evil, hear no evil.

If Hamas takes responsibility for the kidnapping, I believe them.

When Hamas promises to try and kill all the jews, I believe them.

When Hitler said in Mein Kump that he wanted to kill all the jews, the world should have believed them.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

See no evil, hear no evil.

If Hamas takes responsibility for the kidnapping, I believe them.

When Hamas promises to try and kill all the jews, I believe them.

When Hitler said in Mein Kump that he wanted to kill all the jews, the world should have believed them.

One guys is not Hamas.
Experts have questioned his claim.
No one else from Hamas agrees with him.

But yeah stick your head back in the sand. You're really convincing people.

 

[CMike]

This is an older one. He is so spot on.

[youtube]uhWgZu6tcZU[/youtube]

He has shown what a kangaroo court the UN is.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[CMike]

One guys is not Hamas.
Experts have questioned his claim.
No one else from Hamas agrees with him.

But yeah stick your head back in the sand. You're really convincing people.

One guy can represent Hamas.

Obama unfortunately represents the US, as well as his spokesmen.

Netanyahu represents Israel as well as the spokesmen.

This was a Hamas spokesman whom said Hamas was responsible for the kidnapping and muder of the three teens.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

One guy can represent Hamas.

Obama unfortunately represents the US, as well as his spokesmen.

Netanyahu represents Israel as well as the spokesmen.

This was a Hamas spokesman whom said Hamas was responsible for the kidnapping and muder of the three teens.

Yet you ignore officials even in the Israeli leadership whom question his claim.
One has to wonder why you ignore this? Not that hard to guess the answer why based on your blind efforts to paint the picture white.

 

[YmirGF]

Israel appropriates massive tract of West Bank land - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

I am speechless kind of.
So another settlement will appear with gated community shunning Palestinians.

I thought part of the goal was two state area? How is this helping anything?

More to the point, how is a two state solution even possible?

I think Israel should annex a large chunk of Jordan and offer that to the "Palestinians".