Israeli Cabinet passes loyalty bill, Arabs angry

[Caladan]

So you agree that certain activities should be illegal on the Sabbath? Homosexual displays in public also?

Its a party that worships death, suffering, racism, superstition, social decay, and which handicaps the military with its traditional drop out mentality.
it really is the curse of Israeli society and politics.

 

[Caladan]

Oh I forgot to add. its one of the reasons I told my 'gentile' future wife we will NOT live in Israel, after she told me she is willing to, after the living hell people like the Shas party will put her through for being a gentile, I told her I dont wanna hear anything about it. ironic isnt it, people like me were willing to fight for these citizens, but they will even question my own 'Jewishness' when I get marry, not only my wife's.

 

[Yona]

Yes, I am saying Iran has nothing to do with Israeli Arabs.

Ahmadinejad: Iran will support Hamas until collapse of Israel - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

No, because I believe equality under the law.

This is inequality under the law how?

Yes. You use many red herring to really address the issue.

Number one, even assuming this is true, I would say argumentum ad logicam. Number two, my arguments can in no way be described as a red herring but again, nice try at trying to twist things.

 

[Bismillah]

So you agree that certain activities should be illegal on the Sabbath? Homosexual displays in public also?

If this is an accurate description of the Shas party then you are, by deafult, in favor of a Jewish state that abandons any attempts at being "secular". Effectively you are endorsing a theocracy? And you can't see why this would anger Israeli Arabs?

 

[Yona]

So you agree that certain activities should be illegal on the Sabbath?

Yes.

Homosexual displays in public also?

Yes and the party also is against violence against homosexuals.

 

[dust1n]

Ahmadinejad: Iran will support Hamas until collapse of Israel - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

And what does this have to do with Israeli Arabs?

This is inequality under the law how?

Yes, religious inequality.. clearly defined in the constitution.

Number one, even assuming this is true, I would say argumentum ad logicam. Number two, my arguments can in no way be described as a red herring but again, nice try at trying to twist things.

More so the Appeal to Authority and Appeal to Ridicule and Perfect Pollution Fallacy...

 

[dust1n]

Yes.

So a Israeli Muslim can't use his television on the Sabbath?

Yes and the party also is against violence against homosexuals.

But no problem with jailing them should they kiss on the sidewalk.

 

[dust1n]

Its a party that worships death, suffering, racism, superstition, social decay, and which handicaps the military with its traditional drop out mentality.
it really is the curse of Israeli society and politics.

Yeah, but they have religious morality to back them.

 

[Caladan]

Yeah, but they have religious morality to back them.

Religious morality.. the true enemy of God.. if there was one.

 

[Yona]

And what does this have to do with Israeli Arabs?

Are you seriously this dense? If you are to stupid by now to get what I'm saying then I'm about to just stop responding to you because this is ridiculous. The oath of loyalty is asking that Israeli-Arab-Muslims will be loyal to the Israeli state and to not support, fund, be active in or be a member of organizations which seek to destroy Israel or nations which seek the destruction of Israel. That's it, good G-d.

Yes, religious inequality.. clearly defined in the constitution.

Where and how? I want you too fully flesh out this assertion.

More so the Appeal to Authority and Appeal to Ridicule and Perfect Pollution Fallacy...

Reductio ad ridiculum? Please, that is a stretch, how so? I am getting the feeling you are using terms which you don't fully understand because my arguments in no way match the terms you throwing out. Argumentum ad verecundiam? Again, that's a laugh. How? I want you to fully demonstrate how my arguments are X.

 

[arimoff]

If this is an accurate description of the Shas party then you are, by deafult, in favor of a Jewish state that abandons any attempts at being "secular". Effectively you are endorsing a theocracy? And you can't see why this would anger Israeli Arabs?

You shouldn't be the one saying this, Islamic states all live under religious laws witch belong to midevil days, where rape and torture is justified in the name of a deity so I wouldn't even be talking in your place. Stick your nose in to your own back yard, it is full of broken bones.

Anger of Israeli Arabs? what about anger of Jewish Arabs who were kicked out of their homes, your so called brothers and sisters live in houses they did not build or pay for.

 

[Bismillah]

You shouldn't be the one saying this, Islamic states all live under religious laws witch belong to midevil days, where rape and torture is justified in the name of a deity so I wouldn't even be talking in your place. Stick your nose in to your own back yard, it is full of broken bones.

I live in Arizona now *******. That said, I can criticize anyone and any country I want, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean I'm not going to. Sure Saudi is bad, but given the direction this is going Israel is just as bad if not worse.

Anger of Israeli Arabs? what about anger of Jewish Arabs who were kicked out of their homes, your so called brothers and sisters live in houses they did not build or pay for.

Don't worry, they're subsidized by Palestinian homes. Besides you are taking the focus from the question. Why would citizens of Israel not be mad were this to take effect? I think they have due cause.

 

[Yona]

I live in Arizona now *******. That said, I can criticize anyone and any country I want, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean I'm not going to. Sure Saudi is bad, but given the direction this is going Israel is just as bad if not worse.

Israel worse than the Saudis? Wow.

Don't worry, they're subsidized by Palestinian homes. Besides you are taking the focus from the question. Why would citizens of Israel not be mad were this to take effect? I think they have due cause.

Why would and or should they be? No one, has answered me this.

 

[arimoff]

Israel worse than the Saudis? Wow.



Why would and or should they be? No one, has answered me this.

No body will answer you because it is common not to see your own mistakes under your own nose. It is always allot more comfortable to through the rocks in to your neighbors back yard.

 

[Bismillah]

Israel worse than the Saudis? Wow.

Where have the Saudis invaded and occupied lands? They may be intolerant, but at least they're not the cause of one of the worst humanitarian crises in the modern world.

Why would and or should they be? No one, has answered me this.

Becoming a second class citizen in my own country would bother me too.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't see how this loyalty oath could do anything besides upset Arab-Israelis. I mean, if someone passed a bill in the US making it necessary to swear allegiance to the "White Democracy of America", why wouldn't anyone be upset?

 

[Yona]

Becoming a second class citizen in my own country would bother me too.

How does this oath do that? I want to know how this bill makes Arab-Israelis second class citizens, explain this to me.

 

[Yona]

I don't see how this loyalty oath could do anything besides upset Arab-Israelis. I mean, if someone passed a bill in the US making it necessary to swear allegiance to the "White Democracy of America", why wouldn't anyone be upset?

It's not the same and you don't get it.

 

[Sunstone]

It's not the same and you don't get it.

You're too close to the trees to see the forest. It's the same.

 

[Bismillah]

Yona: It's the view that I gathered you supported from the following dialogue with dustin. Yours being the second of the two.

Yea, which you have clearly stated Jews are the main priority when **** hits the fan and everyone else would be a second-class citizen.

If you take history into account, I say, point? 2,000 year exile not ring a bell?

I also don't believe on imposing personal religious beliefs on others.