Israeli police shoot to kill a Palestin woman too close

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Hello all

they claim she had a knife , i don't know why .

Why it's necessry to shot to kill someone too fast instead of try to calm her down , instead of injured her , or capture her


do you agree that police treat your people (women) like this ?

The police must also deal with other possibilities like that she's also got a gun, maybe she's got a bomb. You are talking with after the fact knowledge, while the police don't know yet. Also you have to realize, if the police take a risky action of say a 10 percent chance with their own life, and then doing that 5 times a year for 20 years, then the likelyhood is that being a policeman will get you killed. So even when it looks like a 90 percent chance of the policeman could do something to save the woman and getting out alive, that's not really very good odds for a career in the police.

And when you're brandishing a knife around, sure you then could get shot and killed, that's your own fault then. Also because the suspicion is that she seems afilliated to wanton murderers. It would be good if somebody can save the woman, in which case she would spend 20+ years in prison, but killing her is a fair option.

 

[Flankerl]

If coward then he has to run, imagine that all Palestinians choose to walk holding knives, should you kill them all
or leave them to live free from slavery.

lol yeah people are running around stabbing people to death and now you want to act like it should be completely normal to run around with a knife while it happens.

Oh and a rehearsed instructional video? Oh wow such skills.

What if that person asking you to leave his house, will you still shot him ?

People are being stabbed on the streets. Stop whining around about situations that don't exist.

 

[FearGod]

lol yeah people are running around stabbing people to death and now you want to act like it should be completely normal to run around with a knife while it happens.

Oh and a rehearsed instructional video? Oh wow such skills.

Leave them alone, easy solution

People are being stabbed on the streets. Stop whining around about situations that don't exist.

The Israelis are occupying the west bank, leave their lands and then you can live in peace.

 

[psychoslice]

What if that person asking you to leave his house, will you still shot him ?

If he was to be arrested, then I wouldn't leave until he was arrested.

 

[Flankerl]

Leave them alone, easy solution

Ah yes leave the person who wants to stab people to death at large. Great idea.

The Israelis are occupying the west bank, leave their lands and then you can live in peace.

Good to see that your recent "I identify as a human being"-stunt is just a farce.
Well aren't you a nice person. Recently watched a few too many Allahu Akbar videos from Syria?

So because the West Bank is occupied(which is okay under the Oslo Accords which the PLO signed and recently called null and void) its okay to murder random people who happen to cross your way.

Let me guess its all about politics isn't it?
So how come that many of those who are murdered are Jews who stand out as being Jews, you know Haredim? But hey its not about hating Jews, its entirely political. Which is why people who are easily identified as religious Jews are being murdered. Because all the Haredim are so known for being vile evil Zionists murdering poor Muslim kids.



Bad that this stuff happens, at least it let's you remember why its a bad idea to live in a Muslim country as a Jew.

 

[Smart_Guy]

BS. No martial arts instructor will ever advise you to use hand to knife combat in any situation ever. Pretty much the dumbest idea you can ever have is to try to disarm someone who has a knife with your bare hands.

I think the point he was trying to make is that there are way better ways to stop her instead of the way it happened. Kinda like there are better ways to stop one person holding a very sharp razor with a nuclear bomb thrown at that person by 10 people.

 

[FearGod]

If he was to be arrested, then I wouldn't leave until he was arrested.

I'm asking you what if you were stealing his house and he asked you to leave his house, will you
shot him or just leave with peace.

 

[FearGod]

Ah yes leave the person who wants to stab people to death at large. Great idea.

No, leave their lands and stay in yours, i think they have the right to protect themselves from the thieves.

Good to see that your recent "I identify as a human being"-stunt is just a farce.

I don't care about your opinion about me

Well aren't you a nice person. Recently watched a few too many Allahu Akbar videos from Syria?

I watched a porn movie yesterday, the actress was a pretty Israeli girl.

So because the West Bank is occupied(which is okay under the Oslo Accords which the PLO signed and recently called null and void) its okay to murder random people who happen to cross your way.

The Israelis are stealing the lands, they are in the west bank, so leave the west bank for the Palestinians to live in peace.

Let me guess its all about politics isn't it?
So how come that many of those who are murdered are Jews who stand out as being Jews, you know Haredim? But hey its not about hating Jews, its entirely political. Which is why people who are easily identified as religious Jews are being murdered. Because all the Haredim are so known for being vile evil Zionists murdering poor Muslim kids.

Not true, the Palestinians are fighting using stones to expel the occupiers, Jews used to live with the Muslims in Palestine the same way as Christians do,
they used to work together, eat together and live in peace, but when Europe expelled the Jews to Palestine, they entered by
force and occupied the lands.

Bad that this stuff happens, at least it let's you remember why its a bad idea to live in a Muslim country as a Jew.

Not true, Many Jews live in Iran and they hate the state of Israel.

 

[psychoslice]

I'm asking you what if you were stealing his house and he asked you to leave his house, will you
shot him or just leave with peace.

Well with my paranoia, I would probably shot him, I have been shot myself and don't want to be shot again.

 

[FearGod]

Well with my paranoia, I would probably shot him, I have been shot myself and don't want to be shot again.

OK, shot him.

 

[psychoslice]

OK, shot him.

Yes it solves everything.

 

[Curious George]

BS. No martial arts instructor will ever advise you to use hand to knife combat in any situation ever. Pretty much the dumbest idea you can ever have is to try to disarm someone who has a knife with your bare hands.





Yeah yeah boo hoo.
Of course you don't know about the current situation in Israel where people are being stabbed every single day.
They tried to tell her to drop the knife. She chose not to and made a sudden movement. Well now she can think about that decision.





Yeah great "wire barrier" in the video. Its a Zionist one which is why its invisible. Because the Jews are just such perfidious people.

Take your lies somewhere else. Citizens are stabbed every other day so running around in the middle of the city with a knife out in the open is pretty much the most stupid thing anyone can do.
And why did she hold the knife on the same level as her head with the blade pointed away from her? Such a non-threatening behaviour.

But obviously its all the fault of the evil Zionists.

I don't think he is blaming the "evil Zionists" here. While the op does seem to imply disparate treatment, I think this is a part of the growing phenomenon of questioning police decision making based on YouTube videos. We live in a world where police need to make split second decisions. However, I do not see the questioning of those decisions as a bad thing. While we should be mindful that watching a video is very different than being in the situation, seeing videos like this compels us to ask why less lethal force is not a more available and used method of force. In some countries, this is because police are not issued these means, in other situations it is because these less lethal are not focused on in training, and still in other situations It is because police are not trained well enough to function in stressful situations.

It may seem cold and calloused, but these police got involved to prevent bystanders from being hurt. It was there job to surround her and use whatever means they had to subdue her. This would include lethal means.

But, there is a discussion that grows louder and demands better action from the police in developed countries. This would include demanding better training, more less than lethal tools, and accountability for bad decision making.

I do not know with what these officers are equipped, however the use of rubber or bean bag bullets, the use of tasers, the use of pepper paintballs, or even directional sound would likely have been more than sufficient to subdue this woman.

While it is tempting to simply point out why the police were justified, it is also important to ask how could this situation have ended better, and what can we do to help that end in similar future situations.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Well with my paranoia, I would probably shot him, I have been shot myself and don't want to be shot again.

OK, shot him.

Guys, it's spelled "shoot" not "shot". One ow only.

 

[MARCELLO]

It's again Israel is getting too brutal,but it is also again palestinians are doing every wrong so that we cannot just put the blame on them.

He who solves this paradox will surely will not only win the nobel prize of peace but also the hearts of billions.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I think the point he was trying to make is that there are way better ways to stop her instead of the way it happened.

That certainly appears to be the case. The fact remains that something triggered a change from containment to engagement, and I truly wish I understood what it was. I also believe that - pending further clarification - the presumption of excessive force is far more socially responsible than is simply dismissing the incident by blaming the victim.

@Godobeyer, do you know anything else about this incident? The woman's name? The date?

I monitor Haaretz, Times of Israel, ynetnews, and Aljazeera and, while these sources a saturated with news of escalating violence, I do not recall seeing anything about this one. It's inconceivable to me that Aljazeera would not cover it. Please see what you can find. Thanks.

 

[FearGod]

Guys, it's spelled "shoot" not "shot". One ow only.

Both pronounced the same.

 

[FearGod]

It's again Israel is getting too brutal,but it is also again palestinians are doing every wrong so that we cannot just put the blame on them.

He who solves this paradox will surely will not only win the nobel prize of peace but also the hearts of billions.

The problem is with the stupid leaders, you know Hitler caused millions to die.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'll continue to search, but I just found ...

Amateur video shows the moment an Israeli Arab woman is shot after allegedly trying to stab a security guard in the city of Afula. The woman appears to be waving her hands while holding something before she is shot. Israel’s Defence Forces said she had been ‘neutralised’; Israeli media reports say she suffered ‘moderate’ injuries; but some Palestinians say she was killed [emphasis mine]

 

[Godobeyer]

That certainly appears to be the case. The fact remains that something triggered a change from containment to engagement, and I truly wish I understood what it was. I also believe that - pending further clarification - the presumption of excessive force is far more socially responsible than is simply dismissing the incident by blaming the victim.

@Godobeyer, do you know anything else about this incident? The woman's name? The date?

I monitor Haaretz, Times of Israel, ynetnews, and Aljazeera and, while these sources a saturated with news of escalating violence, I do not recall seeing anything about this one. It's inconceivable to me that Aljazeera would not cover it. Please see what you can find. Thanks.

I checked Arabic source Aljazeera , they make a dialogue with her ancle :

I am not for sure if she was carry a knife or not , the picture is not good , but this mass shoot "assault" is not acceptable for my opinion .

her ancle deny that she try to stabb an Israeli soldier , she probly an Israeli (arab citizen)

he said they will make investigation , Israelis police may judge for that .

he said : she did not die ,she is in Israeli hospitale .

her name is Isra a'bid a mother to three kids
she was calling for her father "papa , i don't die"


just honest question don't you notice that :
it's clear she did not attack them in the moment of they shooting her ?

 

[MARCELLO]

The problem is with the stupid leaders, you know Hitler caused millions to die.

There is no more Hitler,there is no more one man show on the stage. Brutality of something is immediately responded by brutality of other something which makes everything worse and worse