Israeli police shoot to kill a Palestin woman too close

[Shad]

If people take the time to go look at some higher quality videos you can see the knife in her right hand. Check out Liveleaks. You can also see stills of the video in which she carried said knife. The type of knife is illegal to walk around with in public as it is a fixed blade, ie a locked blade. Sure the amount of people facing off against her seems absurd but I have no idea if this number was already present or if reinforcement were called her. She was ordered to disarm, she refused and was shot within the legal escalation of force which is deeply flawed in most police forces, and those that act as police. The OP is based on next to no research while rushing to confirm a bias and agenda which collapses after about 5 minutes of looking at various videos of higher quality.

*You can also see the magazine clip drop from a rifle which another law enforcement member rushes to pick up*

 

[Godobeyer]

If people take the time to go look at some higher quality videos you can see the knife in her right hand. Check out Liveleaks. You can also see stills of the video in which she carried said knife. The type of knife is illegal to walk around with in public as it is a fixed blade, ie a locked blade. Sure the amount of people facing off against her seems absurd but I have no idea if this number was already present or if reinforcement were called her. She was ordered to disarm, she refused and was shot within the legal escalation of force which is deeply flawed in most police forces, and those that act as police. The OP is based on next to no research while rushing to confirm a bias and agenda which collapses after about 5 minutes of looking at various videos of higher quality.

*You can also see the magazine clip drop from a rifle which another law enforcement member rushes to pick up*

I make search in Liveleaks i could not find the link

can you post the link please ?

 

[Curious George]

No , you are not fair


you said"Her refusal" , she refuse what ?

she did not run away or threat them

Her refusal to comply with police instructions.

 

[averageJOE]

hello JOE
Do you know how body position when someone attack by knife ?
did you watch the two video and detect that position ? which second ?

If being attacked by a knife the best body position is to stay at projectile range, right in front of my gun.

 

[Flankerl]

not yet ,btw she got FOUR bullets

"yet"? lol is the Mossad going to assassinate her?

even she stabbed do you agree that she excuted like that, since she back away (re-watching the video , give your opinion please) ?

So if I stab someone its all okay if I just go away. Cool.

 

[Godobeyer]

Her refusal to comply with police instructions.

what if she innocent or don't understand language ?

did you watch the video , do you agrree that they excuted her while she back ?

 

[Godobeyer]

If being attacked by a knife the best body position is to stay at projectile range, right in front of my gun.

I don't say after stab , i am talking about during stab ?
honestly , do you think she try to stab while they excuting her?

 

[Godobeyer]

"yet"? lol is the Mossad going to assassinate her?

I wish she was a Jew , i just want to know how you will re-act !!!

So if I stab someone its all okay if I just go away. Cool.

so do you agree to be excuted if you stab someone ?

Note i don't mean you go way .

 

[Flankerl]

I wish she was a Jew , i just want to know how you will re-act !!!

So what was my reaction two weeks ago when two Jewish parents were executed in front of their kids?

so do you agree to be excuted if you stab someone ?

Depends. Did I drop the knife?

Also she is still not being executed. If you are executed you are dead. She is not dead.

 

[Curious George]

what if she innocent or don't understand language ?

did you watch the video , do you agrree that they excuted her while she back ?

Innocent how? There is no conspiracy she had a knife. However, she could have not known the language. I think it was very apparent what the police wanted, and I don't speak the language.

 

[Godobeyer]

Innocent how? There is no conspiracy she had a knife. However, she could have not known the language. I think it was very apparent what the police wanted, and I don't speak the language.

Honestly is this way used the police in your country with suspects ?

ah i get you , it's about Muslims ,we are bad even if we are suspects or innocents !!?

indeed she had no knife ,Israeli "police" not always act like police.

watch this :

i am not beggin your sympathy

do you believe that police in general act like angels , don't be mistaken all time?

 

[Godobeyer]

So what was my reaction two weeks ago when two Jewish parents were executed in front of their kids?

this is it .
when it's come to religion (race) it's become crime , when it's about Muslims even it's doubt (unclear) , they are terrorists and guilty IN SUSPECT SITUATION !!!

Depends. Did I drop the knife?

Also she is still not being executed. If you are executed you are dead. She is not dead.

No , if you don't drop the knife .

what is your garanty that she was carry knife not something else (so they just fake/wrong acusation)?

the action is "executing", the result is got 4 bullets and not dead.

 

[Flankerl]

Honestly is this way used the police in your country with suspects ?

Yes.

ah i get you , it's about Muslims ,we are bad even if we are suspects or innocents !!?

Drop the knife or get shot. I know that it is difficult to understand something like that.
Also stop whining around. You are in favour of them fighting Israelis so don't whine when they get an answer.

Aren't Arabs supposed to be Warriors or something like that? Sounds more like crybabies.

indeed she had no knife

Nice claim you got there. Too bad that there is a knife with her fingerprints on it.

i am not beggin your sympathy

Of course you are. Don't lie, you are bad at it.

do you believe that police in general act like angels , don't be mistaken all time?

No.

this is it .
when it's come to religion (race) it's become crime , when it's about Muslims even it's doubt (unclear) , they are terrorists and guilty IN SUSPECT SITUATION !!!

You didn't answer the question.

No , if you don't drop the knife .

what is your garanty that she was carry knife not something else (so they just fake/wrong acusation)?

Irrelevant. If the law enforcement officers want you to drop whatever you are holding you better do so. Otherwise there might be consequences.

Last week I was pulled over by the police, I didn't try to outrun them even though I knew that I didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes.
Drop the knife or get shot. I know that it is difficult to understand something like that.

Also stop whining around. You are in favour of them fighting Israelis so don't whine when they get an answer.

that's maybe in Israel suspect executed by police .

you living in Europe ,doest the police executed suspect just because they thought he had knife ?

I don't think so .

Aren't Arabs supposed to be Warriors or something like that? Sounds more like crybabi


Nice claim you got there. Too bad that there is a knife with her fingerprints on it.

Sounds like , Arabs and Muslims are nightmare for you , i suppose if you had nuclear weapon , will not hesitate to use it against them ?

Of course you are. Don't lie, you are bad at it.

seems people are bad enough to don't be fair, their hatefull and racist against Muslims and Arabs which won .

No.

that's your opinion which had no value of credibility to me.

You didn't answer the question.

because it's stupid question .

 

[RAYYAN]

Godobeyer,
Why do you care about what Flanker thinks? let him think what he wants if that makes him sleep at night knowing he is telling lies.

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer,
Why do you care about what Flanker thinks? let him think what he wants if that makes him sleep at night knowing he is telling lies.

I don't care about her thinks , i know she hate Muslims and Arabs , i just discuss and guage that hate

 

[Flankerl]

that's maybe in Israel suspect executed by police .

you living in Europe ,doest the police executed suspect just because they thought he had knife ?

I don't think so .

There is that word again and you still don't know what it means.

People who run around with knives in Europe can get shot if they don't drop the knife. And no one was executed. For crying out loud.

Sounds like , Arabs and Muslims are nightmare for you , i suppose if you had nuclear weapon , will not hesitate to use it against them ?

No sounds like Arabs always act like they are the tough kids of the block but immediately begin to whine when someone answers in the same language.

Now you are bringing up nuclear weapons. Why?

seems people are bad enough to don't be fair, their hatefull and racist against Muslims and Arabs which won .

Again what are you rambling about?

that's your opinion which had no value of credibility to me.

So why bother asking?

because it's stupid question .

Really cute. She ran around with a knife in the current climate where Israeli Jews are attacked with knives every single day.

Stop whining about her being shot.

I don't care about her thinks , i know she hate Muslims and Arabs , i just discuss and guage that hate

And you hate Israelis and Jews. So what?
Its you who is whining about a woman armed with an knife being injured, she is now in an Israeli Hospital recovering. Alive.

Where is your outrage about the daily knife attacks? There are several videos about these attacks, why don't you open a Thread about such an attack?
Of course you don't do that. After all these attackers are hailed as Heroes in the Arab/Muslim world. A Jew also stabbed 4 Arabs. Want to know the general reaction of the Jewish people? He wasn't called a Hero and people found it a horrible crime.

See the difference?

But then again I wouldn't be surprised if the videos of the attacks aren't even broadcasted in the Arab world. People might actually realise that Jews are people too.

Godobeyer,
Why do you care about what Flanker thinks? let him think what he wants if that makes him sleep at night knowing he is telling lies.

Yes the Jewish lies. She didn't had a knife. She wanted to cuddle the Israelis from behind. Because you know that is a real thing at the moment.

 

[FearGod]

The knife in the film is fabricated, just watch the scene at 1:32, no knife is seen then suddenly at 1:33
the knife appeared.

 

[Godobeyer]

There is that word again and you still don't know what it means.

People who run around with knives in Europe can get shot if they don't drop the knife. And no one was executed. For crying out loud.

that's you opinion that i don't consider it .

No sounds like Arabs always act like they are the tough kids of the block but immediately begin to whine when someone answers in the same language.

Now you are bringing up nuclear weapons. Why?

mayb ,because your hate to Muslims and Arabs running like the blood ?

Again what are you rambling about?

your hate to Muslims and Arabs maybe?

So why bother asking?

just back in replies you will find out that that question was not to you , you answser instead of Curious George !

Really cute. She ran around with a knife in the current climate where Israeli Jews are attacked with knives every single day.

Stop whining about her being shot.

again how you be sure she had knife ?

ah that's why all Muslims are suspect , even the innocents .

And you hate Israelis and Jews. So what?
Its you who is whining about a woman armed with an knife being injured, she is now in an Israeli Hospital recovering. Alive.

Where is your outrage about the daily knife attacks? There are several videos about these attacks, why don't you open a Thread about such an attack?
Of course you don't do that. After all these attackers are hailed as Heroes in the Arab/Muslim world. A Jew also stabbed 4 Arabs. Want to know the general reaction of the Jewish people? He wasn't called a Hero and people found it a horrible crime.

See the difference?

don't put words in my mouth

i can say I don't hate all Israeli and all Jews .

I post this thread about this innocent , because she badly treated by people wearing uniform who suppose saving innocents , you defending for these cowards like HEROS , and you take their words as holly book .

But then again I wouldn't be surprised if the videos of the attacks aren't even broadcasted in the Arab world. People might actually realise that Jews are people too.

that's does not clean that Jews (police and military) made crimes against Muslims by cold blood .

 

[Curious George]

Honestly is this way used the police in your country with suspects ?

ah i get you , it's about Muslims ,we are bad even if we are suspects or innocents !!?

indeed she had no knife ,Israeli "police" not always act like police.

watch this :

i am not beggin your sympathy

do you believe that police in general act like angels , don't be mistaken all time?

Lol, for me...it has nothing to do with Muslim. I don't think you are begging sympathy. I think you were asking people to look at the event fairly.There is nothing wrong with that. But I have looked at it fairly. I question whether you are looking at it fairly.

I don't like the police shooting anyone. But, if I look at it fairly some police shootings are justified.

This is what I am working with:

1) A person brandishing a knife in a crowded area (notice I did not say Muslim as this evaluation is the same for any person over the age of 18)

2) the police have a duty to intervene and protect the people. This is true regardless of whether the person is holding the knife in a threatening manner, trying to stab people or just walking in circles.

3)the police ought to be able to use resources provided for them to do their jobs.

4) police are constantly put in harm's way fulfilling their job requirements. Police should be able to act to reasonably reduce potential harm to themselves and to reduce risk of death or severe bodily injury. This reduction of risk includes using a continuum of force up to deadly force.

Deadly force should only be employed when a police officer or member of the public is faced with the potential for great bodily harm or death.

So the police need to engage a suspect wielding a knife, demanding that suspect to drop the knife, lay on the ground, and keep hands visable are all reasonable demands that must be followed to help ensure officer and public safety.

Refusal to lay on the ground or to stop are certainly violations which ought to incur a use of force, but not deadly force. Refusal to put down a weapon in conjunction with these other refusals however, is enough to constitute use of deadly force.

Muslim doesn't enter into the equation. I am not sure what non lethal tools these police have available. If they do not have them, they should.

There are certainly nuanced arguments that I think are valid. However, these nuanced arguments are very situation dependent. And again these would not matter if the person was Muslim or not.

I can see fair arguments against these police saying:

A) the police had the situation contained, no deadly force was necessary unless she lashed out. The police could have kept the situation contained until a negotiator arrived. (I don't know whether this police force has negotiators)

B) the police had the situation contained they could have used a form of less lethal force to subdue the woman such as bean bag bullets, pepper paintballs, directional sound, or rubber bullets. If the police are not equipped with these but have access to them, the situation was contained enough to send someone to get these. (I don't know what access this police force has to these)

But none of this changes that the police have a duty to do something. I am not sure what there protocol is, but we cannot expect them to engage is hand to hand combat when such would increase the risk of harm to an officer, and we cannot expect them to wait around all day. If they do not have access to a negotiator, or a psychologist, or less lethal weapons, they did very well. They subdued the woman, with out causing loss of life.

If you cannot see this, then you will need to explain better because from my standpoint it seems you are not being very fair to the police.

If you want to say that the police handle non Muslims differently, show how they would have handled a non Muslim in this situation. I have left religion out of the equation. Largely because I don't know how they handle other religious people in this situation, so I cannot say whether there is disparate treatment.