Israeli police shoot to kill a Palestin woman too close

[Curious George]

that's Western police how treat the suspect

this is my point about this thread , how police treated suspect, when she/he become a real threat in position and time .

she back and say by Arabic (Father i don't die) ,they come closer and surround her , and she did not stab anyone while she get mass .

can we be fair for a minute , she did not attack them why they mass shoot her ?

I am always fair.

Police recognize a person with a weapon.

Police ask the person to drop the weapon.

Person refuses.

Police repeatedly demand the weapon be dropped.

Person refuses to comply.

The threat is real. The police are trying to contain the threat. The only thing I think one can fairly suggest, is that the police should have used less lethal force. But the woman lives. So they did not necessarily use lethal force. Did they use rubber bullets? There are several methods that they could have employed if those tools were available. Rubber bullets, taser, pepper paintballs, directional sound, etc. I don't know if any of these means were available but if not they should be.

But without question, a person waving a knife not responding to police commands represents a threat that the police NEED to isolate, contain, and remove. Police should not be forced to risk great bodily injury if such can be reasonably avoided.

What exactly did the police do wrong? Too many shots? Perhaps. If they used lethal force when alternatives were available, I could see that complaint. But beyond those two things, the police saw a threat and removed a threat. Do we know if these police have tasers or rubber bullets available? If not, then they used the tools they did have, without killing the female aggressor.

 

[Flankerl]

I read it and found Israel stealing the lands from the Palestinians, some shopping centers in the west banned the Israeli products because
it is stolen from the Palestinians lands, as i told you, thieves.Oh sorry, you're a Jew.

So either you didn't like what you found or never looked for it. Really BDS? Cute.

Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud...

Khaybar battle, read the history so you can know how great your origin was, but still better than the evolution of chimp to humans.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Khaybar

Oh goody. Well at least you aren't hiding it. Not that people care any way.

Do you think that we're blinds.

https://www.acri.org.il/en/category/arab-citizens-of-israel/arab-minority-rights/

lol even Rabin called ACRI out on their Agenda.

So you are saying that these Israeli Arabs aren't in the Knesset and/or that these aren't the requirements to form a Government? Well I wouldn't be surprised, its a Jewish country after all.

You can say what you want, but as usual nothing true.

Well I could give sources but they are Jewish sources so... yeah you are not going to believe them unless they call for the destruction of something.

Which knife ? did you see the knife too. what kind of eyes you have ?

"What are enlarged Screenshots?"

The situation is very clear, the stupid soldiers thought she is planning something, they were
scared and shouting at her "don't move" אל תזוזו , of course at that moment everyone ran instantly.

If the person with the rifle/gun tells you to drop what is in your hand you should do so. There are consequences if you don't.

The hell?

Beautiful isn't it?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In summary, the police demonstrated discipline and skill in neutralizing a terrorist threat without unnecessarily taking the life of the terrorist - a fact that was obscured for the sake of terrorist propaganda. Lesson learned.

 

[Kirran]

It seems to me to be blatantly the case the Israeli government-sponsored military marginalisation of the Palestinian people in the West Bank is taking place, while also being blatantly the case that a huge proportion of the Palestinians are radicalised and antisemitic, while their own governments are by no means organisations I'd want ruling territory, especially if that territory contained Jewish people.

 

[averageJOE]

I can stop her without using a gun, it just needs a brave man with a little knowledge of martial arts.

This is the kind of crap that just blows my mind. The idea that "learning" a couple of knife defenses is enough to use during knife attacks is laughable. And the technique in that video will do nothing but get someone killed. Read this article about Guy Mezger.
http://www.cagepotato.com/awesome-s...woman-from-knife-wielding-scumbag-last-month/
Mezger really messed up the knife attacker. But just know, Mezger is a world renowned martial arts champion. He's fought all over the world, against some of the best fighters in the world, in the biggest organizations in the world, including Pride and UFC, and over 200 pounds. The attacker was much smaller than him, like 150 pounds, and not even close to the level of fighting skills Mezger has, and was still able to do this:
http://middleeasy.com/images/stories/Author_Zeus/2012/01.5/mezger_hand.jpg
Now, is that a risk you really want to take if this was, say, at the end of your shift?

If someone comes at you with a knife, and you have a gun, would you put your gun away and put up your fists?

 

[FearGod]

This is the kind of crap that just blows my mind. The idea that "learning" a couple of knife defenses is enough to use during knife attacks is laughable. And the technique in that video will do nothing but get someone killed. Read this article about Guy Mezger.
http://www.cagepotato.com/awesome-s...woman-from-knife-wielding-scumbag-last-month/
Mezger really messed up the knife attacker. But just know, Mezger is a world renowned martial arts champion. He's fought all over the world, against some of the best fighters in the world, in the biggest organizations in the world, including Pride and UFC, and over 200 pounds. The attacker was much smaller than him, like 150 pounds, and not even close to the level of fighting skills Mezger has, and was still able to do this:
http://middleeasy.com/images/stories/Author_Zeus/2012/01.5/mezger_hand.jpg
Now, is that a risk you really want to take if this was, say, at the end of your shift?

If someone comes at you with a knife, and you have a gun, would you put your gun away and put up your fists?

Let me assume that martial art is useless in defense, then what about more than 5 soldiers surrounding one lay woman
and can't stop her without using a gun.

 

[Kirran]

Police don't use guns in the UK.

 

[psychoslice]

Like I always say, their both as bad as each other !!.

 

[averageJOE]

Let me assume that martial art is useless in defense, then what about more than 5 soldiers surrounding one lay woman
and can't stop her without using a gun.

When did I say martial arts were useless?

 

[mohammadshiamuslim]

Hello all

they claim she had a knife , i don't know why .

Why it's necessry to shot to kill someone too fast instead of try to calm her down , instead of injured her , or capture her

Spoiler: Warning Graphic video

do you agree that police treat your people (women) like this ?

zionists kill people and ......

 

[Godobeyer]

Actually yeah you should look close to her head.

you already solve the puzzle , but by black and white !!!!

I hope that you don't work in invetigation company

hint: black is already exist in first picture

 

[Kirran]

zionists kill people and ......

So do Palestinians! In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a group which didn't contain individuals who had killed people.

 

[Godobeyer]

I am always fair.

Police recognize a person with a weapon.

Police ask the person to drop the weapon.

Person refuses.

Police repeatedly demand the weapon be dropped.

Person refuses to comply.

The threat is real. The police are trying to contain the threat. The only thing I think one can fairly suggest, is that the police should have used less lethal force. But the woman lives. So they did not necessarily use lethal force. Did they use rubber bullets? There are several methods that they could have employed if those tools were available. Rubber bullets, taser, pepper paintballs, directional sound, etc. I don't know if any of these means were available but if not they should be.

But without question, a person waving a knife not responding to police commands represents a threat that the police NEED to isolate, contain, and remove. Police should not be forced to risk great bodily injury if such can be reasonably avoided.

What exactly did the police do wrong? Too many shots? Perhaps. If they used lethal force when alternatives were available, I could see that complaint. But beyond those two things, the police saw a threat and removed a threat. Do we know if these police have tasers or rubber bullets available? If not, then they used the tools they did have, without killing the female aggressor.

to be neutral (fair) , you need to avoid to tell opinion of other side (police said .....etc)

Did you recognize that her carry weapon ? some said it's carry glass .
did you watch the second video which show that scandal (a knife put close to her head) ?
how do you know she refuse ?
the important question , did you watch her stabbing (in two videos) ?

do you know how the position of body someone attack by knife , (the body is decline) not straightly stand ?

 

[Godobeyer]

In summary, the police demonstrated discipline and skill in neutralizing a terrorist threat without unnecessarily taking the life of the terrorist - a fact that was obscured for the sake of terrorist propaganda. Lesson learned.

just wonder
how you sure that she was not innocent or terrorist since the videos don't show perfectly that she had knife or attacked

did you consider the Jews whom are stabbing Arabs as terrorists too ?

this thread make my eyes open to new reality , which is "unfair" and "prejudge" and "hate" and "racist" is running like blood in some people .

 

[Lyndon]

So do Palestinians! In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a group which didn't contain individuals who had killed people.

Yeah according to the news, in the latest conflict, in the last 5 days, 4 dead Israeli Jews, 20 dead Palestinians, that says something about the balance in this conflict of violence.

 

[Debater Slayer]

just wonder
how you sure that she was not innocent or terrorist since the videos don't show perfectly that she had knife or attacked

did you consider the Jews whom are stabbing Arabs as terrorists too ?

this thread make my eyes open to new reality , which is "unfair" and "prejudge" and "hate" and "racist" is running like blood in some people .

I'm almost sure he won't mention it to avoid bragging about it here, but Jay has been involved in a lot of activities that promoted interfaith tolerance before, such as iftars with Muslims and Jews. He has also defended the freedoms and rights of Muslims more times than I can count.

If you really think that he's "hateful" or "racist," you need to reconsider your own opinions, because you are objectively wrong as evidenced by his words and actions.

 

[Lyndon]

From the AP today;

Since the Jewish New Year last month, seven Israelis have been killed and dozens wounded in a shooting, a stoning and a series of stabbings. At least 27 Palestinians been killed by Israeli fire, including 11 identified by Israel as attackers and the rest in clashes between stone-throwers and Israeli troops. Hundreds of Palestinians have been wounded in such confrontations.

 

[Curious George]

to be neutral (fair) , you need to avoid to tell opinion of other side (police said .....etc)

Did you recognize that her carry weapon ? some said it's carry glass .
did you watch the second video which show that scandal (a knife put close to her head) ?
how do you know she refuse ?
the important question , did you watch her stabbing (in two videos) ?

do you know how the position of body someone attack by knife , (the body is decline) not straightly stand ?

Um, that the police said... Common sense. There is engagement. Unless there is something to indicate otherwise it is fact... I thought we were being fair here.

Her refusal is in her act to do so.

The knife, well I guess it is possible that it is something else. Is there any reason to think so though? I don't see one.

 

[Godobeyer]

Um, that the police said... Common sense. There is engagement. Unless there is something to indicate otherwise it is fact... I thought we were being fair here.

Her refusal is in her act to do so.

The knife, well I guess it is possible that it is something else. Is there any reason to think so though? I don't see one.

No , you are not fair


you said"Her refusal" , she refuse what ?

she did not run away or threat them

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm almost sure he won't mention it to avoid bragging about it here, but Jay has been involved in a lot of activities that promoted interfaith tolerance before, such as iftars with Muslims and Jews. He has also defended the freedoms and rights of Muslims more times than I can count.

If you really think that he's "hateful" or "racist," you need to reconsider your own opinions, because you are objectively wrong as evidenced by his words and actions.

first of all , I did not mentioned to Jay that is racist or hate , i said this thread .

I know Jay is good person , he Top of my farvorite Jews in RF , i admire his justice and opinions about Muslims .
honestly I am not sure about his stand against Muslims in future !

in this thread i critize his prejudge , since he said that he don't sure in first post (unclear) , so a SUSPECT woman mass shooted by police (BY HATEFUL WAY) like ISIS crimes, it's becomes terrorists propaganda !!!