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It was only a matter of time

bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Epic Beard Man said:
Before they made the recent shooting a mental health issue. Well at least this is what Trump is doing cause ya know, he knows these things of course. I know people are tired of discussing race and all that but come on, this investigation is not even over yet there is a suggestion in the media that the recent tragedy has something to do with having a mental disorder?

The last major shooting was in Dallas where it was a black man shooting at cops. Immediately people assumed he was a part of BLM when the shooter himself stated he was acting alone. But now this guy, the so called 45 is going to make this a mental health issue now?

Double Standards I tell ya

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If its a mental health issue shouldn't the CDC be able to investigate and propose solutions. Is Trump and Congress going to repeal the Dickey amendment so that the CDC can find ways to protect US Citizens.
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I just read on the newspaper that his target wasn't coincidental. He'd been court-martialed for beating up his wife and kid and the church he attacked was the church of his wife's parents.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Jumi said:
I just read on the newspaper that his target wasn't coincidental. He'd been court-martialed for beating up his wife and kid and the church he attacked was the church of his wife's parents.
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Aye, it suggests greater restrictions upon those convicted of a violent crime.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
PureX said:
No matter what we do, we aren't going to stop people from raping each other. But that doesn't mean we should be selling rape kits at Walmart.
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I don't think that rape is so much a fun control problem as a menstrual health issue.

I might have a pun control problem myself.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What's so hypocritical is that some here have criticized the psychiatrists who firmly believe that Trump has a form of mental illness, and yet these same immediately assume that domestically-grown shooters are mentally ill, as did Trump, but any Muslims are immediately called "terrorists" even before the facts are in. And the minute some here bring up the gun-control issue, many on the right say we're "politicizing" the issue and should wait out of respect, and yet Trump immediately politicized the issue when a Muslim did much the same a couple of weeks ago.

Therefore, I do believe these people should start a Hypocrites-R-Us chapter.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
pcarl said:
Yet one of the first official acts of Trump was to abolish the Obama regulation that required cross checking gun applications with those receiving Social Security disability for mental health.
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I'd agree with that, but HIPPA needs revisiting involving patient confidentiality and disclosure.
metis said:
That's like saying that we should legalize murder since we can't stop it all.
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That was never suggested.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Epic Beard Man said:
Before they made the recent shooting a mental health issue. Well at least this is what Trump is doing cause ya know, he knows these things of course. I know people are tired of discussing race and all that but come on, this investigation is not even over yet there is a suggestion in the media that the recent tragedy has something to do with having a mental disorder?

The last major shooting was in Dallas where it was a black man shooting at cops. Immediately people assumed he was a part of BLM when the shooter himself stated he was acting alone. But now this guy, the so called 45 is going to make this a mental health issue now?

Double Standards I tell ya

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Do you think the fact that some people using BLM banners marching down the street in multiple cities saying "what do we want? Dead cops- when do we want it? now" and multiple people encouraging the murder of policemen had something to do with making that assumption even though it was wrong? Trump does jump the gun a lot of times but to claim it's a double standard seems a stretch and a non-issue.

From what I've read the guy that shot up the church was not able to legally purchase his firearm, the laws were in place.
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Nowhere Man said:
It doesn't matter what you do, you're not going to stop people from killing each other.

I think the issues go far deeper than just gun issues. Gun ownership hasn't really changed since the Inception of this country. What we have is a generation that is a lot different than in generations past and there's a systemic reason why people are acting the way they do.
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pop an op for that systemic reason.....
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Kuzcotopia said:
For me, these two statements are in contradiction.





I actually agree with the second one, but not the first. And you're also right, that there are systemic reasons that go beyond gun control (though access to them certainly helps break body count records lately).

But are these reasons systemic to human nature, or systemic to cultural and social norms? Why these outliers? Do we have the moral strength to study and understands this?

For example, I hold the unpopular opinion that all captured mass killers should be insitutionized, not put in max security prisons or summarily executed. We have to overcome the thirst for vengeance and "justice," and recognize that there are still things we don't understand about humans neurologically and anthropologically. If we can't study and understand the mindset, how will we ever learn? How will we ever produce effective social and cultural countermeasures?

Finally, once we understand the ways that might be effective countermeasures, do we have the political will to actually intervene and use them?

In any case, I can't sit and simply say that humans just kill each other. Almost all of us don't. And if we understood the systemic reaosn, there is a possibility we could create social conditions where it never happens.
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Well guns certainly didn't get up by themselves and kill people.

I'm fairly certain that killing will be around for the duration of mankind.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nowhere Man said:
That was never suggested.
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But it's a logical position vis-a-vis what you posted.

IMO, there's simply no good reason why a citizen not in the military or a police force needs these assault-type weapons or large magazines. If one is that lousy a hunter, maybe they should consider becoming vegetarian. America's fascination and looseness with guns is killing us-- literally.

Einstein said "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" is a definition of "insanity", and I would suggest that the Republicans in Congress fit that definition quite well. They do nothing to fix either the gun or the mentally ill issues, and Trump was so utterly depraved himself that he removed mental illness as something that could prevent gun ownership, thus caving in to the most dangerous single group in American society today, the NRA.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
metis said:
But it's a logical position vis-a-vis what you posted.

IMO, there's simply no good reason why a citizen not in the military or a police force needs these assault-type weapons or large magazines. If one is that lousy a hunter, maybe they should consider becoming vegetarian. America's fascination and looseness with guns is killing us-- literally.

Einstein said "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" is a definition of "insanity", and I would suggest that the Republicans in Congress fit that definition quite well. They do nothing to fix either the gun or the mentally ill issues, and Trump was so utterly depraved himself that he removed mental illness as something that could prevent gun ownership, thus caving in to the most dangerous single group in American society today, the NRA.
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If it isn't guns, then it'll be gas, if it isn't gas, then it will be explosives, if it isn't explosives, then it's going to be knives, and if it isn't knives, then it's going to be plastic forks and spoons.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I have NEVER heard a suggsetion such as mine
you may quote me....

Thief says ......you may own a gun.....no questions asked
but it will be a 38special
5rounds
and you may carry it
no questions asked

all other guns are to be confiscated and destroyed

actually I hate that idea
but it might work

It will put a lot of gun makers out of business
and in the mean time the guns already in play will be around for a loooong time
 
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