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Italian Artist Sells Invisible Sculpture for More Than $18,000

Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
PureX said:
So you think it's a pertinent snarky jab at people who are interested in and support the arts.
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No, it's a jab at people who produce things that are clearly not art and those who are prepared to pay money for them. And the criticism is valuable because this kind of rubbish actually degrades the value of true art in the minds of many. The reaction is 'some people will pay for anything (or nothing!) if you label it "art" '. And that reaction is perfectly fair.

How would we distinguish true art from the dross that inhabits the fringes of the art world? Not easy, as art can be many things, but I would suggest that the very least it must have is some skill on the part of the artist and some effort to produce it. Good art also requires some effort on the part of the viewer or listener. I'm not greatly into the visual arts, but I love music. Pop music comes and goes and some of it is good. Classical music has stood the test of time, but takes some effort (often) to appreciate. How about a musical piece that consisted of nothing but silence? Is it art? Would you buy it? Do you think it might encourage a potential listener to get into the classics?
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
PureX said:
So you think it's a pertinent snarky jab at people who are interested in and support the arts.

That's what I thought.

But why do you think a giant news outlet like Newsweek thought that publishing a silly, snarky, anti-art non-news story was worth doing? Perhaps it's because they wanted to feed the anti-art sentiment of their readers. Rather than actually giving them pertinent news.

You don't seem to be getting the point of why this is not news. And the fact that Newsweek published it, anyway. And why even though it had nothing whatever to do with you, or anyone, really, you still felt the need to regurgitate it, here. Do you hate art? Do you think artists and their supporters are engaged in a con-game, or are just silly fools? Because that's what it looks like this phony "news story" is trying to promote. And here you are promoting it, further.
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I see it as just a story of someone buying an invisible sculpture which is pretty silly.
Sorry you took it personal.
Its no different than 90% of the other silly stories out there.
 
PureX

PureX

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Alien826 said:
No, it's a jab at people who produce things that are clearly not art and those who are prepared to pay money for them. And the criticism is valuable because this kind of rubbish actually degrades the value of true art in the minds of many. The reaction is 'some people will pay for anything (or nothing!) if you label it "art" '. And that reaction is perfectly fair.
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It's only "value" is in giving people an excuse to point at other people and think themselves far superior. This is what passes for "news" coming from these giant corporate "news" sources now days: turning people against each other by pandering to their lowest, stupidest, instincts. Practicing at the habit of putting others down to puff ourselves up. And it's why most Americans are so woefully misinformed about the state of their own reality, and why they are so quick to blame everyone else for it.

Did anyone ever bother to ask WHY someone supposedly paid money for an invisible artwork? Of course not. Because this story had nothing whatever to do with presenting any news. It was all and only about presenting a story that their readers could use to scoff at their fellow humans. And to tell themselves how stupid their fellow humans are and how superior they, themselves, are, in comparrison.

It's just the worst kind of ego-stroking and denigration. And we have become so used to this being passed off by these huge corporate owned media conglomerates as "news" that we can't even see it for what it is, anymore. Much less see ourselves laping it up like sick dogs lapping up their own puke.
Alien826 said:
How would we distinguish true art from the dross that inhabits the fringes of the art world?
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By puffing ourselves up and falsely pretending that we know all about it? And then using that arrogance to denigrate anything that we don't understand? Because that's what you are being encouraged to do, here. It's why no one ever even bothered to ask the participants why they participated in this supposed art sale. Because we're supposed to just blindly assume that we know better. And that they are the fools.

Aren't you getting sick of all this pandering to our lowest instincts by these phony "news" media outlets? And by all the insulting ignorance that results from it? I know I sure am.
Alien826 said:
Not easy, as art can be many things, but I would suggest that the very least it must have is some skill on the part of the artist and some effort to produce it.
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Your opinion is duly noted. Perhaps you could drop by your local hospital and offer them some of your expertise on their medical procedures.
Alien826 said:
Good art also requires some effort on the part of the viewer or listener. I'm not greatly into the visual arts, but I love music. Pop music comes and goes and some of it is good. Classical music has stood the test of time, but takes some effort (often) to appreciate. How about a musical piece that consisted of nothing but silence? Is it art? Would you buy it? Do you think it might encourage a potential listener to get into the classics?
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They've already been done. And any number of variations. This sort of abstract, idealized, conceptual art is not new, or shocking, or outrageous. Except to people that don't know anything about contemporary art, but think they know all about what art is and isn't and should be. The very ignorance and egotism that Newsweek and their many media clones are so intent on fostering.

Why is that, do you think? Why are they so intent on fostering blind egotism and ignorance on the part of their readers? INSTEAD of actually presenting them with real news stories? Stories that would actually matter to them and that have been fully investigated?
 
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PureX

PureX

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We Never Know said:
I see it as just a story of someone buying an invisible sculpture which is pretty silly.
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Is it? You don't even have any idea WHY someone did that. And neither does Newsweek. Because they never bothered to ask.
We Never Know said:
Sorry you took it personal.
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Wasn't that the point? ... To show those silly artists and their admirers in a silly light, and then laugh at them? I don't think you're sorry at all. I think you're probably quite pleased with your feeling of superiority.
We Never Know said:
Its no different than 90% of the other silly stories out there.
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And yet you still chose to regurgitate it for us, here. Why do you think you did that?
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
PureX said:
Is it? You don't even have any idea WHY someone did that. And neither does Newsweek. Because they never bothered to ask.
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I reckon they had the money and could.
PureX said:
Wasn't that the point? ... To show those silly artists and their admirers in a silly light, and then laugh at them? I don't think you're sorry at all. I think you're probably quite pleased with your feeling of superiority.
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Don't have a clue of what you mean with this. It has nothing to do with superiority.
The questions is why are your taking it SO personally?

PureX said:
And yet you still chose to regurgitate it for us, here. Why do you think you did that?
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As I already said, because I think its silly and shows some of the stupidity in the world.
 
Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
PureX said:
They've [silent music] already been done. And any number of variations. This sort of abstract, idealized, conceptual art is not new, or shocking, or outrageous. Except to people that don't know anything about contemporary art, but think they know all about what art is and isn't and should be. The very ignorance and egotism that Newsweek and their many media clones are so intent on fostering.
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How the heck can you have variations on silence?

You know, I'll give a (reluctant) pass to a painting that is just a big red dot in the middle of the canvas. But this one simply doesn't exist.

I get that you are offended by people laughing at an invisible painting, but truly that's all it deserves. Maybe if you could explain what it is that you think we should be getting from this "work of art'? I'm open to persuasion, but .....
 
Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Secret Chief said:
Indeed, that is 4'33."

- 4′33″ - Wikipedia
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Oh my God. I should have known. Think of the most ridiculous thing you can as an example of something that doesn't exist, and lo and behold, someone has done it. Humans really are the weirdest of species.

Right now I'm developing a noise-free smell-free fart. It also has no emission of gas and doesn't produce bubbles in the bath. Oooh there's another one. I'm starting the bidding at $1000 each. Any offers?
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

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Alien826 said:
Oh my God. I should have known. Think of the most ridiculous thing you can as an example of something that doesn't exist, and lo and behold, someone has done it. Humans really are the weirdest of species.

Right now I'm developing a noise-free smell-free fart. It also has no emission of gas and doesn't produce bubbles in the bath. Oooh there's another one. I'm starting the bidding at $1000 each. Any offers?
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You could try @JustGeorge ...


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Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
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Definition of art according to the dictionary:

art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
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Definition of art now:

art: whatever a self-proclaimed artist says it's art.
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