Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

[Estro Felino]

Not really. It's because the UK contains a lot of racists,

You do know that here there's no political correctness here.
Politicians loosen up.

 

[Audie]

It depends on what one means by culture.

Sure. Let's take Japan. Pretty distinct
culture. Way different than, oh, Philippines.

The q is if you see value in nations having
a distinct culture.

 

[Audie]

You do know that here there's no political correctness here.
Politicians loosen up.

The basic human right to speak one's mind
without some fascists stoning you?

 

[Estro Felino]

Sure. Let's take Japan. Pretty distinct
culture. Way different than, oh, Philippines.

The q is if you see value in nations having
a distinct culture.

From a visual point of view, they look very different than one another.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I have listened to the minister's speech. He basically said: "we should boost Italy's birth rate, by telling Italians to have children, instead of importing migrants".

No, this is what he said (emphasis mine):

"We cannot surrender to the idea of ethnic replacement: Italians have fewer children, so let's replace them with someone else. That's not the road to go down,"

First, demographic change is natural.

Second, what's wrong with migrants?

Also because it's logic, since these migrants won't solve the low birth issue.

Yes they can. If native people either aren't producing replacement level populations, or are moving away at high rates, and demographics are the issue, bringing in immigrants can solve low birth rates and issue with population decline.

And then he added: "we cannot surrender to the idea of the ethnic replacement".

Which is a fascist dog whistle. The Italians aren't being replaced.

 

[Estro Felino]

The kind of rhetoric he was using is reminiscent of "white replacement theory" which was the motive behind the Buffalo shooting. Such ideas produce fear which can lead to violence.

In most African countries it is absolutely normal to say "Africa to Africans only".

I think there's a legitimized doublestandardism.

 

[Lyndon]

I'm not familiar with Swedish politics.
I've noticed Americans toss the word
" fascist" about with gay abandon.

Perhaps you could say what is fascist
in this case, so I can see the thought behind
the name calling.

And in general I'd say it's best not to assume
others' motives.

Its fascist theory as in you have shown your support for fascism over and over

 

[Estro Felino]

No, this is what he said (emphasis mine):

"We cannot surrender to the idea of ethnic replacement: Italians have fewer children, so let's replace them with someone else. That's not the road to go down,"

Exactly. But prior to that, he said that sentence I posted.

First, demographic change is natural.

Second, what's wrong with migrants?

Absolutely nothing. They are very good people, most of the times.

Yes they can. If native people either aren't producing replacement level populations, or are moving away at high rates, and demographics are the issue, bringing in immigrants can solve low birth rates and issue with population decline.


Which is a fascist dog whistle. The Italians aren't being replaced.

Low birth rates depend on the fact that labor market is uncertain and that people are much more selective than the past, when it deals with finding a partner to raise a family with.

 

[Stevicus]

In most African countries it is absolutely normal to say "Africa to Africans only".

I think there's a legitimized doublestandardism.

That may be so, although it's also true that Africa has a lot of ethnic violence.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Exactly. But prior to that, he said that sentence I posted.

Which is not the part under contention.

Absolutely nothing. They are very good people, most of the times.

Good. So we agree that using migrants to solve population issues is fine, then.

Low birth rates depend on the fact that labor market is uncertain and that people are much more selective than the past, when it deals with finding a partner to raise a family with.

So when birth rates are low, bringing in immigrants is a good idea.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I'm not familiar with Swedish politics.
I've noticed Americans toss the word
" fascist" about with gay abandon.

Perhaps you could say what is fascist
in this case, so I can see the thought behind
the name calling.

And in general I'd say it's best not to assume
others' motives.

For goodness sake.
There is absolutely nothing you need to know about Sweden (or any other nation) that would justify them spreading ideas of “ethnic replacement”.

Search on the concept of “ethnic replacement” alone, if you’ve not come across its meaning. It goes really well with the use of other disgusting propaganda phrases like “planned, civil invasion” and “post-Sweden [nation] period”.

As far as the meaning of “fascism” goes; it’s not exactly a relative term. Look it up, please.

 

[Estro Felino]

That may be so, although it's also true that Africa has a lot of ethnic violence.

South Africa...for instance.
Which means that Europeans moving there was a bad idea.

 

[Estro Felino]

So when birth rates are low, bringing in immigrants is a good idea.

If these migrants will be almost all childless...well...no.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If these migrants will be almost all childless...well...no.

Are migrants almost all childless?

 

[Audie]

From a visual point of view, they look very different than one another.

There's that but it's not what I was talking about.
I asked if you recognize any value in distinct cultures.

As for distinct appearance that's a not necessarily.
A lot of Filipinos ( women especially) are readily
mistaken for Chinese, Koreans etc.

 

[Audie]

For goodness sake.
There is absolutely nothing you need to know about Sweden (or any other nation) that would justify them spreading ideas of “ethnic replacement”.

Search on the concept of “ethnic replacement” alone, if you’ve not come across its meaning. It goes really well with the use of other disgusting propaganda phrases like “planned, civil invasion” and “post-Sweden [nation] period”.

As far as the meaning of “fascism” goes; it’s not exactly a relative term. Look it up, please.

If you don't want to have a conversation don't
respond to my posts.

 

[Audie]

Its fascist theory as in you have shown your support for fascism over and over

No prob., I don't like you either.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's that but it's not what I was talking about.
I asked if you recognize any value in distinct cultures.

As for distinct appearance that's a not necessarily.
A lot of Filipinos ( women especially) are readily
mistaken for Chinese, Koreans etc.

I see. But you know, the Japanese language is very distinctive, so if I listen to a person speak, I understand they are from Japan.
Even if I don't understand anything.

 

[Estro Felino]

Are migrants almost all childless?

Illegal migrants, yes, they are.

Legal migrants are not. But the Minister was talking about illegal immigration only.

 

[RestlessSoul]

It has to do with that. I think Britain voted for Brexit because the EU is becoming a very bad place...with all those fascists.
I mean just think of Hungarians, Polish, Romanians, Slovaks, Slovenians.

It's hard to say why the UK electorate voted, by the narrowest of margins, to leave the EU. But the perception that national, regional, and cultural identities were and indeed still are being eroded, certainly played a part. Particularly among those working class communities who felt left behind by the UK's post-industrial economy. Now that the service and financial sectors which sustained the economy for the last 40 years are also in decline, I fear the whole country will soon be left behind. And when that happens, expect immigrants and poor people to get the blame.