Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

[Hermit Philosopher]

If you don't want to have a conversation don't
respond to my posts.

I sort of had no choice. You did accuse me of “name-calling” in my comment - to someone else!

I don’t see where I called them anything, but I also am not prepared to sit by when people spread threads about these sort of things - and this particular individual does just that rather frequently.

When it comes to fascism, their conspiracy stories and their propaganda (nothing watered down about these btw), there is in my experience not much use in conversation - fascist don’t see a problem with fascism. The only way to handle it is with zero tolerance (and I don’t actually say that about a lot of things in life).

 

[Stevicus]

That experiment shows that ethnic replacement is always bad.
Whether it's Europeans or not.

I wouldn't really call it an experiment. Europeans left their homelands and went around the world to colonize other continents. It was more a case of expansionism. Just like the Roman Empire expanded and brought a wide variety of tribes and nations into their fold. Then they had to deal with Gauls, Celts, Illyrians, etc. as part of their Empire. It worked well for them until they started losing political control and all those "barbarians" came rolling in.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

In most African countries it is absolutely normal to say "Africa to Africans only".

I think there's a legitimized doublestandardism.

“Two wrongs don’t make a right”

 

[Estro Felino]

“Two wrongs don’t make a right”

The truth is they are right, in my opinion.

 

[Estro Felino]

I wouldn't really call it an experiment. Europeans left their homelands and went around the world to colonize other continents. It was more a case of expansionism. Just like the Roman Empire expanded and brought a wide variety of tribes and nations into their fold. Then they had to deal with Gauls, Celts, Illyrians, etc. as part of their Empire. It worked well for them until they started losing political control and all those "barbarians" came rolling in.

It's true. We Europeans left Europe and colonized the other continents, replacing the locals.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

The truth is they are right, in my opinion.

I believe we are aware of your opinions in this matter. I for one, find them disturbing and most destructive.

I also believe that you will stick to your views regardless of any sensible arguments against them. Still, I will oppose them on here as often as I possibly can and hope very much that others do so too.

 

[Estro Felino]

I believe we are aware of your opinions in this matter. I for one, find them disturbing and most destructive.

I also believe that you will stick to your views regardless of any sensible arguments against them. Still, I will oppose them on here as often as I possibly can and hope very much that others do so too.

No...I assure you I love debate because I am really disposed to change my mind.
If the interlocutor's point is very convincing, of course.

I think it's always a matter of balance. Balance is always good. Immigration, multiculturalism, and etc.
Excesses are bad.

 

[Audie]

I sort of had no choice. You did accuse me of “name-calling” in my comment - to someone else!

I don’t see where I called them anything, but I also am not prepared to sit by when people spread threads about these sort of things - and this particular individual does just that rather frequently.

When it comes to fascism, their conspiracy stories and their propaganda (nothing watered down about these btw), there is in my experience not much use in conversation - fascist don’t see a problem with fascism. The only way to handle it is with zero tolerance (and I don’t actually say that about a lot of things in life).

I've no use for fascism myself. I don't know if you'd
call the ccp fascist, but it's why I left Hk for
Singapore.

Your use of the term seemed like name- calling
to me. Then another poster did choose to call me
a fascist. And you jumped right in to agree.
Having asked no question and having no
evident idea of what I think, or why.
So...

As for ethnic / racial replacement, thats been
the story of the world since forever.
If there's " conspiracy theory" it would be
in the denial of that simple and obvious fact.


The intolerance of my pov about the value
of diversity has a tinge of that hypocritical
irony. Present company excepted if it doesnt apply.

If you do want to discuss what i said in
my earluer post re what I mean that you
may have missed, that is welcome

 

[Audie]

It's true. We Europeans left Europe and colonized the other continents, replacing the locals.

Euros did not remotely replace the populations
in " civilized" countries that they were able
to temporarily dominate with military/ colonial
power.

See Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, India,
Cambodia, Myanmar, Sri lanka, ....

 

[Estro Felino]

Euros did not remotely replace the populations
in " civilized" countries that they were able
to temporarily dominate with military/ colonial
power.

See Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, India,
Cambodia, Myanmar, Sri lanka, ....

I was thinking of the Americas, mostly.

 

[Stevicus]

Speaking of legal migration, do you know that many Italo-Americans are returning to Italy?
Even if they were born in the US and even if their parents were born in the US.

It's interesting, because when there were Italians immigrating to the United States in larger numbers, many Americans resisted their presence for many of the same reasons being cited here. There was this idea that anyone whose surname ended in a vowel was considered "ethnic" and "didn't really belong." That's why a lot of people changed their names to conform more to the expectations of "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" culture.

Henry Ford used to operate these schools for his immigrant workers in which they would be taught the "American way." Native Americans were sent to "Indian Schools" where they would be taught to assimilate. There was strong pressure to conform and fit in to a certain culture and way of living, although even then, there eventually grew a strong reaction against it to the point where such practices are roundly condemned nowadays.

Living in a border region as I do, I've seen this same issue played out my entire life, as there has been ongoing immigration from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, both legal and illegal.

Even then, there was once a time when neither English nor Spanish were ever heard in this area - just a few centuries ago. Of course, there are still some Tohono O'odham, Apache, Navajo, and Hopi still around - and remnants of their culture remain. They weren't totally replaced, but at this point, I think most people just try to plod through with their lives as best they can. In the long run, we are all dead, and we are all replaceable.

 

[Estro Felino]

And...?

Read this

 

[Revoltingest]

What's wrong with an ethno-state?

If it's what Italians want, that's their right.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's interesting, because when there were Italians immigrating to the United States in larger numbers, many Americans resisted their presence for many of the same reasons being cited here. There was this idea that anyone whose surname ended in a vowel was considered "ethnic" and "didn't really belong." That's why a lot of people changed their names to conform more to the expectations of "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" culture.

Henry Ford used to operate these schools for his immigrant workers in which they would be taught the "American way." Native Americans were sent to "Indian Schools" where they would be taught to assimilate. There was strong pressure to conform and fit in to a certain culture and way of living, although even then, there eventually grew a strong reaction against it to the point where such practices are roundly condemned nowadays.

Living in a border region as I do, I've seen this same issue played out my entire life, as there has been ongoing immigration from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, both legal and illegal.

Even then, there was once a time when neither English nor Spanish were ever heard in this area - just a few centuries ago. Of course, there are still some Tohono O'odham, Apache, Navajo, and Hopi still around - and remnants of their culture remain. They weren't totally replaced, but at this point, I think most people just try to plod through with their lives as best they can. In the long run, we are all dead, and we are all replaceable.

I have some distant relatives in Florida but don't speak Italian. At all. Zero.
They came to Rome to visit many years ago.

I think that actually there's not much cultural difference between "the British who founded the USA" and the other Europeans. Of course you will say that Irish and Italians have so many cultural and religious similarities.
There are so many German surnames in the USA...but some Americans hardly realize this.
Schwimmer, Pfeiffer, Drescher, Hirsch, etc etc etc
(and Trump of course).

I think that Germans and Scandinavians were integrated very very easily. The other Europeans had difficulties because they looked more Mediterranean. But the history of Italo-Americans is a story made up of people who did anything to try to fit in, to assimilate.
Very few Italo-Americans speak Italian.

 

[Estro Felino]

If it's what Italians want, that's their right.

Thank you

 

[Audie]

I have some distant relatives in Florida but don't speak Italian. At all. Zero.
They came to Rome to visit many years ago.

I think that actually there's not much cultural difference between "the British who founded the USA" and the other Europeans. Of course you will say that Irish and Italians have so many cultural and religious similarities.
There are so many German surnames in the USA...but some Americans hardly realize this.
Schwimmer, Pfeiffer, Drescher, Hirsch, etc etc etc
(and Trump of course).

I think that Germans and Scandinavians were integrated very very easily. The other Europeans had difficulties because they looked more Mediterranean. But the history of Italo-Americans is a story made up of people who did anything to try to fit in, to assimilate.
Very few Italo-Americans speak Italian.

Both of you are not noting that
the Irish (whose names don't end
in vowels) were the object of much
discrimination.

They like the Italians were poor.

Few of us do want poor people
next door.

 

[Audie]

If it's what Italians want, that's their right.

I heard earlier its a basic human right
for people to live wherever they like.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Italian minister sparks row with 'ethnic replacement' warning

Agriculture minister says Italians risk being replaced by migrants as country registers record-low birth rates - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Welll...what did he say wrong?

There's nothing wrong with an indigenous ethnicity wishing to remain the majority in their own homeland. That's just a human right. Italy is the home of the Italian ethnic nation. They need to make babies.

 

[Audie]

There's nothing wrong with an indigenous ethnicity wishing to remain the majority in their own homeland. That's just a human right. Italy is the home of the Italian ethnic nation. They need to make babies.

Far from anything wrong with it, there's a positive value in it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I heard earlier its a basic human right
for people to live wherever they like.

Yeah, people do like to say ambitious things.