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Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Let's try this again; name a single woman I've ignored
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.
Since you are so reluctant to provide names, how about if you list a post I've neglected to respond to, and I will respond to it immediately.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Since you are so reluctant to provide names, how about if you list a post I've neglected to respond to, and I will respond to it immediately.
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
That's the exact same response you gave last time! Are you gonna keep repeating the same thing over and over without answering my question or supporting your claim? Or is it just a case of running out of rehearsed talking points. Perhaps it is YOU who should start paying attention.
 
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Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
That's the exact same response you gave last time! Are you gonna keep repeating the same thing over and over without answering my question or supporting your claim? Or is it just a case of running out of rehearsed talking points. Perhaps it is YOU who should start paying attention.
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
Ahh so you're content with just repeating the same thing over and over again; huh? I think we're done here; good day sir!

Ken
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Ahh so you're content with just repeating the same thing over and over again; huh? I think we're done here; good day sir!

Ken
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Where are these women claiming they have been getting harassed by men nearly everyday since age 12? Where are these women supporting your empty claims? All I see is you making a bunch of empty claims and no outside source backing it up.
They're the ones who choose the bear in the thought experiment. They're everywhere all over social media. Hence the reason we're having this discussion in the very first place.

Good grief man!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Good lord, THE ONE WHO'S BEEN RESPONDING TO YOU THIS WHOLE TIME WITH ME. It's like you're determined to prove just how much you can not listen or pay attention.

The bottom line remains, this exercise shows just how wary women are of strange men. That doesn't mean they're bigoted or that they hate men. It means they have years (sometimes many years) of constant be behavior from men toward them that inform their worldview. You can choose to argue desperately against this for some reason, or you can say "Huh, I didn't realize the problem was bad enough that a significant number of women would answer this that way". One is a good option, the other is not. Maybe at some point you'll go for the good one.
I've got another super fun example that just happened this weekend ...

My sister and I live a couple of city blocks apart and often walk and meet up in the middle. The walk is on a very busy street, one of the busiest in the city. So, Saturday afternoon in broad daylight, I'm walking down the street to meet up with my sister and my niece and do some shopping, and a car drives by with a cute little boy in the backseat. He's got his hand out the window, and he calls to me and waves at me. There was a man driving and he smiled at me as well. I waved back at the little boy, thinking not much of it and carried on walking. Then about, maybe 3 minutes later, I'm coming up to the next block where there is a semi-empty parking lot on the corner. And guess who has now parked his car in this parking lot. The man who just drove by with the cute kid. The cute little boy is running around in circles beside the parked car, with all the doors wide open, and the man standing at the edge of the lot looking around for ..... turns out it's me. When I get close enough to walk past, he starts moving toward me asking my name and telling me to come over and "hang out." He keeps inching closer and closer and I see my sister off in the distance so I just started like, super fast speed walking toward her. By the time I got to her, and we were making our way back, the man had left.
Any idea what that guy's big plan was? Seems pretty sinister to me.

Oh and I just thought of another one that happened to me last year. I was walking home from work, again in broad daylight, I was crossing through a busy parking lot. A car pulls up beside me, some guy asks if I have the time. I give him the time as I keep walking. He doesn't leave. Keeps driving slowly beside me. Then asks me if I party. I said nope. No thanks. He still doesn't go. Still driving slowly beside me. I walk faster, start heading toward a store to run into. All the while he's still there, getting more aggressive. "Come party with me in my car. Come on! Come on!" So, I ducked into a store, watched the guy park in front of the store and wait for me for a while, then finally gave up and left. I called a cab after that and didn't go outside again until it showed up. I'm sure this guy was totally on the up-and-up too, right?

I could go on and on and on and on ....

As you well know. :)
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
I've got another super fun example that just happened this weekend ...

My sister and I live a couple of city blocks apart and often walk and meet up in the middle. The walk is on a very busy street, one of the busiest in the city. So, Saturday afternoon in broad daylight, I'm walking down the street to meet up with my sister and my niece and do some shopping, and a car drives by with a cute little boy in the backseat. He's got his hand out the window, and he calls to me and waves at me. There was a man driving and he smiled at me as well. I waved back at the little boy, thinking not much of it and carried on walking. Then about, maybe 3 minutes later, I'm coming up to the next block where there is a semi-empty parking lot on the corner. And guess who has now parked his car in this parking lot. The man who just drove by with the cute kid. The cute little boy is running around in circles beside the parked car, with all the doors wide open, and the man standing at the edge of the lot looking around for ..... turns out it's me. When I get close enough to walk past, he starts moving toward me asking my name and telling me to come over and "hang out." He keeps inching closer and closer and I see my sister off in the distance so I just started like, super fast speed walking toward her. By the time I got to her, and we were making our way back, the man had left.
Any idea what that guy's big plan was? Seems pretty sinister to me.
Okay; Sorry for that experience. What day did that happen? Perhaps Saturday? What happened Sunday?
Oh and I just thought of another one that happened to me last year.
Naaww I ain't tryin' ta hear what happened last year, I wanna know what happened the next day! The claim is that these things happen nearly every day from age 10 or 12 for the rest of your life! So I ain't trying to hear about what happened last year, last month, or even last week; I wanna hear what happened the next day. If the guy trying to crack on you in the parking lot happened on Saturday, something equally as traumatic must have happened on Sunday, Monday, and pretty much every day for the entire week. If not, then your argument failed. So again; what happened the next day?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've got another super fun example that just happened this weekend ...

My sister and I live a couple of city blocks apart and often walk and meet up in the middle. The walk is on a very busy street, one of the busiest in the city. So, Saturday afternoon in broad daylight, I'm walking down the street to meet up with my sister and my niece and do some shopping, and a car drives by with a cute little boy in the backseat. He's got his hand out the window, and he calls to me and waves at me. There was a man driving and he smiled at me as well. I waved back at the little boy, thinking not much of it and carried on walking. Then about, maybe 3 minutes later, I'm coming up to the next block where there is a semi-empty parking lot on the corner. And guess who has now parked his car in this parking lot. The man who just drove by with the cute kid. The cute little boy is running around in circles beside the parked car, with all the doors wide open, and the man standing at the edge of the lot looking around for ..... turns out it's me. When I get close enough to walk past, he starts moving toward me asking my name and telling me to come over and "hang out." He keeps inching closer and closer and I see my sister off in the distance so I just started like, super fast speed walking toward her. By the time I got to her, and we were making our way back, the man had left.
Any idea what that guy's big plan was? Seems pretty sinister to me.

Oh and I just thought of another one that happened to me last year. I was walking home from work, again in broad daylight, I was crossing through a busy parking lot. A car pulls up beside me, some guy asks if I have the time. I give him the time as I keep walking. He doesn't leave. Keeps driving slowly beside me. Then asks me if I party. I said nope. No thanks. He still doesn't go. Still driving slowly beside me. I walk faster, start heading toward a store to run into. All the while he's still there, getting more aggressive. "Come party with me in my car. Come on! Come on!" So, I ducked into a store, watched the guy park in front of the store and wait for me for a while, then finally gave up and left. I called a cab after that and didn't go outside again until it showed up. I'm sure this guy was totally on the up-and-up too, right?

I could go on and on and on and on ....

As you well know. :)
I wonder....
These 2 creepy guys were just some of the many men
you passed. What percentage were the 2 of the many?

This might indicate the level of probability of meeting a
random man in the woods who is as creepy as those 2.
I wonder what the probability that a bear one meets
would would attack?
Also, are the consequences of meeting a creepy man
& an attacking bear different?

Those are questions for thought,
not necessarily answering.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Then provide a link, or something that supports this claim, because you and magic man are the only ones I see making this claim.
Look around this site. Look on Facebook. Instagram. TikTok. Everywhere all over social media.
I've been having back-and-forth interactions about this on Facebook for well over a month now.
What post number did I ignore?
You're ignoring the words I am trying to express to you.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I wonder....
These 2 creepy guys were just some of the many men
you passed. What percentage were the 2 of the many?
Good question. Probably many. I always get that one guy though. I seem to attract the creepers.

Funny how when he was still in his car, I didn't find him all that creepy.
This might indicate the level of probability of meeting a
random man in the woods who is as creepy as those 2.
I wonder what the probability that a bear one meets
would would attack?
That would be interesting to figure out.

Have you ever seen The Great Outdoors? It's been coming to mind lately as I've been thinking about this whole bear thing. Great '80s movie! There are some twin girls in that movie who might choose men over bears, if you asked them now. ;)
Also, are the consequences of meeting a creepy man
& an attacking bear different?
Probably.
Those are questions for thought,
not necessarily answering.
They are indeed.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Okay; Sorry for that experience. What day did that happen? Perhaps Saturday? What happened Sunday?

Naaww I ain't tryin' ta hear what happened last year, I wanna know what happened the next day! The claim is that these things happen nearly every day from age 10 or 12 for the rest of your life! So I ain't trying to hear about what happened last year, last month, or even last week; I wanna hear what happened the next day. If the guy trying to crack on you in the parking lot happened on Saturday, something equally as traumatic must have happened on Sunday, Monday, and pretty much every day for the entire week. If not, then your argument failed. So again; what happened the next day?
:facepalm:

You ain't tryin' ta hear anything.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Look around this site. Look on Facebook. Instagram. TikTok. Everywhere all over social media.
I've been having back-and-forth interactions about this on Facebook for well over a month now.
I have! And I haven't found a single person to claim the vast majority of women in the US are harassed by men nearly every day of their lives. Nobody is making that claim except you and that other dude.
You're ignoring the words I am trying to express to you.
If I've ignored what you said, how did I respond to everything you've said? You're making no sense here.
You ain't tryin' ta hear anything.
Your problem seems to be that you are trying to conflate listening with agreement, which is completely absurd. Just because I disgree with you does not mean I'm not listening to what you've said.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I have! And I haven't found a single person to claim the vast majority of women in the US are harassed by men nearly every day of their lives. Nobody is making that claim except you and that other dude.

If I've ignored what you said, how did I respond to everything you've said? You're making no sense here.

Your problem seems to be that you are trying to conflate listening with agreement, which is completely absurd. Just because I disgree with you does not mean I'm not listening to what you've said.
What do you think we were trying to tell you guys with #MeToo?
Same goes for the bear thing.

You can believe what we tell you. Or dismiss it. As you're doing. We're just telling it like it is. We know you don't like it and many of you don't even want to hear it. It's hard to face hard truths sometimes, I get it.

Great job missing the point of all of it. My hats off to you.
 
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