Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[SkepticThinker]

Nope. You missed the whole point. You specified "assault" and "attack". I pointed out that there's more to it than just those things. It's bad/creepy/rapey.

I'll bet those last two things do happen. I also know they don't happen at anywhere near the same ballpark as women's experiences with men.

He's never going to get it because he's not trying to get it. I gave him a plethora of different kinds of examples of what we're talking about.
And he's still trying to pull this nonsense.
"Yeah, but what do you mean by 'creepy?" Gee, I don't know, how about figure it out from the dozen examples I gave.

 

[Kfox]

This is a woman's issue. This is about women's feelings and experiences.
So yeah, I'm gonna keep womansplaining my woman position until the end of time.

Your friend seems to think womansplaining is not a thing, perhaps you can explain to him that it is.

You don't seem to know that they are

You keep saying that, but if it were true, you would be able to provide evidence that it is

We tried telling you with #MeToo.
We're trying to tell you AGAIN with the bear question.

Nothing new here, you keep repeating the same talking points over and over again without providing any evidence to support your claim. If you cant support your claim, I will continue to dismiss it.

 

[Kfox]

He's never going to get it because he's not trying to get it. I gave him a plethora of different kinds of examples of what we're talking about.
And he's still trying to pull this nonsense.
"Yeah, but what do you mean by 'creepy?" Gee, I don't know, how about figure it out from the dozen examples I gave.

You said "creepy/rapey"! C'mon that's not even a word! You're making words up and I'm supposed to know what you are talking about, then when I try to ask for specifics and get an actual definition of what you are talking about, you accuse me of not trying to understand. It's like you're intentionally trying to be vague because you know when pressed, your claims have no merit

 

[Kfox]

Yet again, the answers to the bear question are the source. That's the entire point.

No it's not! Nowhere in the bear question does it claim each women is somehow offended nearly every day of their lives by men; this is just some exaggerated nonsense you're making up

No, your weird attempt to make "womansplaining" a thing won't work.

Your friend Skepticthinker is an actual woman, and she seems to think it's a real thing. Perhaps talk to her

No, I point out that you aren't listening because you're not listening. You're not disagreeing with me. You're desperately trying to argue something that has already been pointed out to be wrong, and you're ignoring the actual ways we've pointed that out. You keep asking for "outside sources", which ignores the entire point of the question.

Outside sources are important if you're trying to convince somebody because just saying it's true is not very convincing. Again; if you want to be believed, provide something other than your empty claims that what you say is true.

 

[Magic Man]

No it's not! Nowhere in the bear question does it claim each women is somehow offended nearly every day of their lives by men; this is just some exaggerated nonsense you're making up

Remember when you claimed you're listening, just disagreeing? Yeah, this is more evidence you're not listening. The entire point of the question is that women are so wary of men because of all those bad experiences they have with them. The fact that you still haven't grasped that basic aspect of the very topic you're trying to argue about is problematic.

Your friend Skepticthinker is an actual woman, and she seems to think it's a real thing. Perhaps talk to her

No, mansplaining exists. You tried to make "womansplaining" a thing. It didn't work.

Outside sources are important if you're trying to convince somebody because just saying it's true is not very convincing. Again; if you want to be believed, provide something other than your empty claims that what you say is true.

Again, if you want to be taken seriously, actually listen to what people are saying, instead of just trying to win an argument with desperate attempts that ignore everything that's being told to you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your friend seems to think womansplaining is not a thing, perhaps you can explain to him that it is.

I don't care. You made it up.

You keep saying that, but if it were true, you would be able to provide evidence that it is

I have. Many, many, many examples.

Nothing new here, you keep repeating the same talking points over and over again without providing any evidence to support your claim. If you cant support your claim, I will continue to dismiss it.

LOL @ talking points.

Mmkay.

I have fully supported my claim. Your response over and over has been "nuh uh, Women don't go through that." As a woman is literally telling you we go through that. As an entire population of women have just told you we go through that all the time. As a bunch of women are answering that they choose a bear over a man in the woods, all over social media.
So, I don't care anymore. Go wallow in your ignorance.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You said "creepy/rapey"! C'mon that's not even a word! You're making words up and I'm supposed to know what you are talking about, then when I try to ask for specifics and get an actual definition of what you are talking about, you accuse me of not trying to understand. It's like you're intentionally trying to be vague because you know when pressed, your claims have no merit

Nope, I didn't.

But I would suggest that if you have a hard time figuring out what "creepy/rapey" means, you've got bigger problems to work on than this discussion.

I gave you a ton of specifics. LOL

 

[SkepticThinker]

No it's not! Nowhere in the bear question does it claim each women is somehow offended nearly every day of their lives by men; this is just some exaggerated nonsense you're making up

THAT. IS. THE. ENTIRE. POINT. OF. IT.

Your friend Skepticthinker is an actual woman, and she seems to think it's a real thing. Perhaps talk to her

You're the guy trying to make it work.

Outside sources are important if you're trying to convince somebody because just saying it's true is not very convincing. Again; if you want to be believed, provide something other than your empty claims that what you say is true.

 

[Kfox]

Remember when you claimed you're listening, just disagreeing? Yeah, this is more evidence you're not listening. The entire point of the question is that women are so wary of men because of all those bad experiences they have with them.

I never said they weren't

The fact that you still haven't grasped that basic aspect of the very topic you're trying to argue about is problematic.

I am not arguing that; the fact that you think that I am proves you are the one not listening.

 

[Kfox]

But I would suggest that if you have a hard time figuring out what "creepy/rapey" means, you've got bigger problems to work on than this discussion.

I would suggest if you wish to be taken seriously, you should use real words instead of made up words that might mean different things to different people.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would suggest if you wish to be taken seriously, you should use real words instead of made up words that might mean different things to different people.

LOL You made up the word, bud.



If you want to be taken seriously ... ah, never mind. Too late.

 

[Magic Man]

I never said they weren't

That's all you've been saying. But if you now agree with us, great. I guess it's settled.

I am not arguing that; the fact that you think that I am proves you are the one not listening.

You were arguing that until this post. If you're now changing your tune, that's great! Glad we got this resolved.

 

[Magic Man]

I would suggest if you wish to be taken seriously, you should use real words instead of made up words that might mean different things to different people.

I would suggest if you wish to be taken seriously, you should use real words instead of made-up words that might mean different things to different people, and also learn actual words, so that you understand them and don't have to try to use some weird argument instead of addressing actual points being made.

 

[Kfox]

LOL You made up the word, bud.

I did not make up the word rapey/creepy; that was either you or that other guy

 

[Kfox]

That's all you've been saying.

No; the only thing I've been saying is that all women do not get bad behavior (or whatever negative madeup word you wanna use) from men on a daily basis. They may get bad behavior from men, but not nearly as often as a daily basis for the rest of your life.

 

[Magic Man]

No; the only thing I've been saying is that all women do not get bad behavior (or whatever negative madeup word you wanna use) from men on a daily basis. They may get bad behavior from men, but not nearly as often as a daily basis for the rest of your life.

Let's recap:

Us: Women chose the bear because they are wary of men due to the overwhelming number of bad experiences they've dealt with from men in their lives.
You: No, they're just bigoted against men.
Us: No, it's because of the thing we said.
30 pages later, you: Well, yes, women chose the bear because they are wary of men due to the overwhelming number of bad experiences they've dealt with from men in their lives. BUT, uh, it doesn't happen on a daily basis for the rest of your life! Ha!

In other words, you finally agree with what we've been saying all along, but you're too deep into it to either admit that or move along, so you have to desperately find a nit to pick with wording to try and still "stick it to us". "No, it's only 1,890 experiences, not 1,960!"

So, anyway, the point remains. Women have to deal with bad/creepy/rapey behavior from men all the time. That causes them to be wary of men they don't know. So, the idea of meeting a strange man in the woods makes them very uncomfortable/scared.

I'm glad after 38 pages you agree with that.

 

[Magic Man]

I did not make up the word rapey/creepy; that was either you or that other guy

You made up the word "womansplaining" in a weak attempt to dismiss the criticism of mansplaining leveled at you.

 

[Kfox]

Let's recap:

Us: Women chose the bear because they are wary of men due to the overwhelming number of bad experiences they've dealt with from men in their lives.

That was a different thread, that thread is dead and buried. This thread is about a woman who posted a video saying hating men has become fashionable, and I agreed with that woman.

Then you guys made the claim that all women have to deal with “rapey/creepy behavior (whatever that means) from men beginning age 10 or 12, nearly every day for their entire lives. 30 pages later, I'm still saying it isn't something that happens every single day of your life.

 

[Magic Man]

That was a different thread, that thread is dead and buried. This thread is about a woman who posted a video saying hating men has become fashionable, and I agreed with that woman.

Uh...what? This thread is about women choosing the bear. This is the thread where we've discussed this. I haven't been part of another thread on this topic.

Then you guys made the claim that all women have to deal with “rapey/creepy behavior (whatever that means) from men beginning age 10 or 12, nearly every day for their entire lives. 30 pages later, I'm still saying it isn't something that happens every single day of your life.

Right, you're desperately attempting to nitpick instead of just have an honest conversation. "You said every day, but it's only 25 days a month!"

So, we're back to the actual point. Women choose the bear due to the huge number of negative interactions they have with men in their lives. If you accept that, then just stop trying to win an argument on a technicality.

Also, I love how within two lines you go from "nearly every day for their entire lives" to "every single day of your life". You're trying to win on a technicality while also changing the technicality in the span of maybe 20 words. And you're also trying to exaggerate in a desperate attempt to try to win on that technicality.

You accept the point we're making. Just leave it at that.

 

[Kfox]

Uh...what? This thread is about women choosing the bear. This is the thread where we've discussed this. I haven't been part of another thread on this topic.

This thread is about a woman who says there is a new wave of feminism where it has become fashionable to hate men, and she uses the “women choosing the bear” absurdity as an example of this female bigotry. If I recall correctly, she even has a name for this type of bigotry; though not "womansplaining, I'm sure it's something you would find just as objectionable.
This is what this thread is about! Go back and read the Original Post. I know you wanna make it about something else, but it ain’t.