It's simple! (to be or not to be revisited)

[crossfire]

I'm looking for something a little more ... actionable.



Because it's a systemic problem, I think it makes sense to look beyond the individual soul for a root cause.

Lemme see--building respect for individuals who are different applied in a collectivist manner? (When it is hatred and delusion that overcomes an individual's mind and they behave in a collective manner....)
**Cues up music from the game Jeopardy**

 

[dybmh]

**Cues up music from the game Jeopardy**

If the model "Hatred >>> is becoming >>> Delusion" is correct, then I'm looking for the source which is feeding the "becoming". Starve the beast; break the cycle. That's why I'm not interested in knowledge and information. It's irrelevant. Knowledge and information will not address the reasons ( the metaphorical nourishment ) for the delusion(s).

 

[dybmh]

building respect for individuals who are different ...

... cannot occur unless the inherent hypocrisy is prevented. And. It's a steep hill to climb; because, political progressives have a very bad reputation in this regard.

 

[crossfire]

If the model "Hatred >>> is becoming >>> Delusion" is correct, then I'm looking for the source which is feeding the "becoming". Starve the beast; break the cycle. That's why I'm not interested in knowledge and information. It's irrelevant. Knowledge and information will not address the reasons ( the metaphorical nourishment ) for the delusion(s).

... cannot occur unless the inherent hypocrisy is prevented. And. It's a steep hill to climb; because, political progressives have a very bad reputation in this regard.

How is the individual's mind (and sound judgment) that was overcome going to be regained? I see that as the goal. Your mileage may vary.

 

[dybmh]

How is the individual's mind (and sound judgment) that was overcome going to be regained?

Lacking the delusion, they will naturally see themselves in the other, relate, empathize, and behave more compassionately.

 

[crossfire]

Lacking the delusion, they will naturally see themselves in the other, relate, empathize, and behave more compassionately.

That's not answering my question: How is the individual's mind (and sound judgment) that was overcome going to be regained? Just dispelling the delusion is not necessarily going to restore their drive and ability to recognize delusion within their own mind and instill a desire to end it. It's the equivalent dressing the would lightly and saying shalom. Without this restoring the drive for a clear mind, the individual could easily be overcome by the next delusion propagated by the spin doctors.

 

[dybmh]

That's not answering my question:

Sorry

How is the individual's mind (and sound judgment) that was overcome going to be regained? Just dispelling the delusion is not necessarily going to restore their drive and ability to recognize delusion within their own mind and instill a desire to end it. It's the equivalent dressing the would lightly and saying shalom. Without this restoring the drive for a clear mind, the individual could easily be overcome by the next delusion propagated by the spin doctors.

I don't think there's a "silver-bullet", however, I think if there is relief in this specific case, that will encourage clarity in other cases and in general. This is an ongoing problem. It will always need maintenance.

 

[crossfire]

Sorry



I don't think there's a "silver-bullet", however, I think if there is relief in this specific case, that will encourage clarity in other cases and in general. This is an ongoing problem. It will always need maintenance.

Wouldn't reinstating the drive for self-maintenace be the way to go then?

 

[dybmh]

Wouldn't reinstating the drive for self-maintenace be the way to go then?

The drive for self-maintenance isn't lacking.

We haven't talked about fear. Maybe we should? IIR, there's good science showing political conservatives have a more pronounced fear response compared to others.

As an aside, I wonder if this contributed to the election. Anti-Maga fear mongering doesn't have the same profound effect as Anti-Deep-State fear mongering. "When they go low, we go high" <--- this works.

 

[crossfire]

The drive for self-maintenance isn't lacking.

If ones mind is overcome, it is.

We haven't talked about fear. Maybe we should? IIR, there's good science showing political conservatives have a more pronounced fear response compared to others.

As an aside, I wonder if this contributed to the election. Anti-Maga fear mongering doesn't have the same profound effect as Anti-Deep-State fear mongering. "When they go low, we go high" <--- this works.

[thread highjack] How many members of Trump's first administration went to jail? [/thread highjack]

 

[dybmh]

If ones mind is overcome, it is.

That's not what I'm seeing. Not overcome, super-imposed. Like a song playing in the background. A discordant drum-beat which is very-very uncomfortable. The individual, naturally, wants it to stop.

 

[crossfire]

That's not what I'm seeing. Not overcome, super-imposed. Like a song playing in the background. A discordant drum-beat which is very-very uncomfortable. The individual, naturally, wants it to stop.

Their mind is overcome when they tell lies, kill other beings, harass a targeted out group, and prompt others to do the same. If they are prompting others to do the same, then they obviously don't want it to stop.

 

[dybmh]

Their mind is overcome when they tell lies, kill other beings, harass a targeted out group, and prompt others to do the same. If they are prompting others to do the same, then they obviously don't want it to stop.

Everyone lies. Everyone kills other beings. Both sides are harassing each other as out-groups and encouraging others to do the same.

Now what?

My point is, the "it" you're describing cannot be the cause for intolerance of trans people, because, trans people and advocates are doing those things too.

 

[Heyo]

If they are prompting others to do the same, then they obviously don't want it to stop.

[off-topic]When I have a problem, maybe I cause you to have the same problem, and you find a way to solve it?
It's called projection and is frequently used by people with mental problems.[/off-topic]

 

[dybmh]

It's called projection

... whose root cause is avoidance?

 

[dybmh]

used by people with mental problems

^^ encouraging harassing the out-group ^^

 

[Heyo]

^^ encouraging harassing the out-group ^^

Spoken from true ignorance. I've often enough declared that they are my "in-group".

 

[dybmh]

Spoken from true ignorance. I've often enough declared that they are my "in-group".

Please? Plain and simple, lacking nuance? "the ones who disagree are mentally ill" is not out-grouping those who disagree?

 

[crossfire]

Everyone lies. Everyone kills other beings. Both sides are harassing each other as out-groups and encouraging others to do the same.

Now what?

My point is, the "it" you're describing cannot be the cause for intolerance of trans people, because, trans people and advocates are doing those things too.

Like I quoted Buddha earlier: Hatred does not overcome hatred. Hatred is overcome by non-hatred.

 

[crossfire]

... whose root cause is avoidance?

Which goes back to their lack of a drive for self-maintenance. Their mind is overcome by the poisons.