Sure, but it's still missing the point of the amendment if you're using guns for the purpose of poorly-regulated recreation.
Nope, never said that, so the rest of this paragraph is a childish strawman.
Once again, I didn't say that. I said it was poorly-regulated. Once again, you're engaging a strawman.
And yet countries like the UK where firearms are practically non-existent and countries like Sweden which have much stricter gun control don't seem to have the same problem with gun violence that America has. Go figure.
So you're arguing that obtaining a gun illegally is just as easy as obtaining one legally, or that putting regulations on the guns sold or supplied legally, and the industry that produces them, won't make it more difficult to get a hold of them?
And many people get a hold of them legally and pose a massive threat and kill hundreds of people. Do you really think it's worth the deaths of thousands of people every year just so a few million people can own a thing which either they a) will never actually use or, b) will use and statistically make themselves and their family less safe? Again, I'm not even calling for a gun ban, just more regulation. Better regulation doesn't harm the people willing to own and operate firearms within the law at all, all it will do is prevent people who will use guns to harm others from being able to do so as easily. You seem under the unusual impression that putting regulations on a tool made exclusively to kill will somehow harm people who don't want to kill people, which is pretty wrong-headed.
And do you think the sheer number of guns currently in America, both legally and illegally, that have been mass-produced by an extremely lucrative and poorly-regulated industry seeking to flood the market whilst wielding massive political power pays absolutely no role whatsoever in that?
Translation: "There's just nothing we can do despite all the global evidence that suggests gun regulations work to reduce murder rates - our country (the only one in which mass shootings can be considered a regular occurrence) is just completely powerless and no decisions we can make or act on will ever have a tangible difference on this issue despite the abundance of evidence to the contrary".
Great idea! Why didn't I think of that?? Rather than putting guns out of the hands of people who would use them to harm others, or put tighter regulations on an industry which isn't concerned with how much harm their products cause, all we need to do is investigate and eradicate the fundamental causes of all violent crime!
While we're at it, why don't we end all other forms of crime too? And no more war would be a nice idea. And here I was wasting my time thinking of putting more regulations on an industry that regularly causes violent death due to lack of regulation - but, obviously, such thinking is far too unrealistic and utopian.
Talk about strawmen ! I wasn´t Nice bit of sarcasm talking about ¨ eliminating crime ¨ I was talking about measures to curb and lessen gun crime. Nice sarcasm though.
I asked why you wanted the gun industry to be ¨ more regulated ´ You didn´t answer clearly at all. They vare fically well managed, their employees work in safe environments, their employees are paid well with benefits, their products are well built and safe for the purchaser, so, what would you regulate ?
Now, to mitigating the causes of gun crime.
1) Actually enforce the current gun laws on the books. Violators negotiate away too often their gun law culpability for copping a plea on a concurrent crime. The current gun laws should be strictly enforced, with mandatory sentences, and no discretionary enforcement.
2) ATF and other agencies should have increased resources in dealing with gun crime. They should make massive efforts at finding the illegal gun dealers, and developing probable cause to eliminate them. Now, they are usually only identified if the police stumble on them while conducting another investigation.
3) Recognize that society has completely changed. No longer is America like it once was. With the same per capita number of legal firearms owners, when I went to school so called mass shootings were unheard of. One could order a firearm through the mail.
However, it is no longer the 1950ś. Like it or not, targets that draw these crazed people need to be hardened. The police don´t do prevention well, They haven´t the resources. Their mandate is to react after an incident begins.
Schools with appropriately screened and trained armed teachers offer a defense that actually has an opportunity to be effective at the start of an incident. Many Churches have designated armed responders as part of their congregations.
These steps may seem repugnant, and they are. But, once again, they reflect the America of today. Stopping someone from filling out the forms, having a background check, and not allowing a man or woman to buy a Thompson Contender, a hunting pistol, will do virtually nothing to eliminate gun crime and mass shootings.
4) Social media surveillance is critical. Necessary resources should allocated for this purpose. Time after time it is discovered that a crazed shooter is responsible for posts indicating that he was contemplating or proclaiming violence, and once identified a multi agency approach should be instituted to minimize the threat.
5) Mental health issues. Why has our society, and in fact most of the world become so violent ? An actual maximum effort should be made to try and answer the question, then try and eliminate some of the causes
There is absolutely no doubt that for whatever the reason, mentally ill folk are allowed to be free in society. Anyone who would commit a mass shooting is severely mentally ill, deranged, and usually this was known before the incident.
I once was involved in stopping a young lady from jumping to her death from the top of a building. It was the second time this occurred. As usual, we sent her for a mental health evaluation at the appropriate hospital. She was released in each case after 72 hours. We begged the head of the psych unit to keep her and really help her. Because of lack of bed space, lack of funds, civil rights issues, etc., etc, she was released. A month later she obtained a gun, which she had no legal right to own, and killed herself. This scenario is played out regularly in the US, and instead of shooting themselves, some shoot others. This can and should be stopped.
You state that a firearms sole purpose is to kill. Utter nonsense. To kill people, or animals ? Still nonsense.
I have two single shot target rifles, that were designed for target competition, nothing else, ditto for some target pistols, that is what they were designed for. I have a beautiful over and under shotgun, designed for bird hunting. Since I am not a hunter, and don´t like to kill anything, I use it on large exploding type targets, great fun. It would be useful for home defense for my wife, if for some reason I am not at home.
Finally, there is the issue of the second amendment to the US Constitution. I don know if you are an American or not. Your ignorance regarding firearms would lead me to suspect not, but you certainly could be.
Firearm ownership is a right that cannot be removed, accept by an amendment to the Constitution, which will never happen, civil martial law, which I believe has never happened country wide, or a convention of the states, which has never happened.
You may hate it, rail against it, point out reasons why it should be eliminated and denied to the citizenry, but it is still my right. It is no more removable than your first amendment right to verbally trash the second amendment.
Penalizing the legal gun buyer will not deter those who want to kill with a gun. All the drug control laws have not deterred the illegal use of drugs. They have created unintended consequences. Folk who have very serious medical pain issues are having difficulty obtaining the medication they need. Physicians are limited as to how many scrips they write. Some patients do not pass the stringent government imposed test for pain meds, yet their docs believe they are needed. Many true pain patients are turning to the illegal market to try and get their medication.
The feel good restriction of legal gun buyers will be no different. Those bent on killing with a gun will obtain one, illegally, just as under current law those not qualified to own guns get them.