It's the Guns.

[esmith]

You missed my point but that wasn't your interest anyway. I want consistency. Leaving that to state legislation is not the way to make that happen.

Why, we have Federal Laws why shouldn't each State be allowed to set their own laws as long as they do not violate Federal Laws? My State laws do not affect anyone outside of my State, and I must conform to the laws of other States if I am in that State. Explain what you see wrong with that.

 

[esmith]

If people left their guns at home for protection, they wouldn't have people stealing them, finding them in bathrooms, accidental killings, etc.

It's a pretty simple concept.

More guns = more gun violence. More gun sales = more irresponsible gun owners allowing people to obtain them.

Gun violence will only continue getting worse due to quantity.

above only to the uninformed

 

[lewisnotmiller]

and would you invade a population heavily armed
(the so called gun nuts are!)

Heavily armed?
The US has nuclear weapons. You think I'd be fine to invade a country with a nuclear arsenal, but would be put off by some preppers with AR-15s??
Really???

That seems amazingly quaint.

 

[Thief]

Can you imagine the outcome of attacking a school, restaurant or business with golf clubs?

I saw the attack in the news.....robbery and assault ....hotel lobby....it was brutal
Japan

they don't have guns

Switzerland has a practice....everyone owns a rifle and ammo (last I heard)

most peaceful place on earth

anyone gots stats?

 

[Thief]

8 Things blamed for mass murder that are not guns...

1. Drugs
2. Abortion
3. The Media
4. Mental Health
5. Schools
6. Doors
7. Backpacks
8. Video Games

https://www.indy100.com/article/us-mass-shooting-reason-gun-control-mental-health-parents-8362746

My only surprise is that Liberals and Atheists are not listed.

and 2000 people drown in back yard pools every year
(not sure where I heard that)

400,000 die from complications dealt by smoking

 

[Thief]

160+ countries have "freedom" and some of those countries outlawed firearms. They are doing fine last I checked.

hospitals in England noted a rise in the er room

knife wounds and clubbings.....

 

[shunyadragon]

I saw the attack in the news.....robbery and assault ....hotel lobby....it was brutal
Japan

they don't have guns

Switzerland has a practice....everyone owns a rifle and ammo (last I heard)

most peaceful place on earth

anyone gots stats?

You saw (I doubt it) the attack one or two persons maybe compared to tens of thousands killed in violent attacks with guns.

Stats? I doubt there are enough kills by golf clubs to even count statistically.

You got any stats?!?!?

 

[Thief]

You saw (I doubt it) the attack one or two persons maybe compared to tens of thousands killed in violent attacks with guns.

Stats? I doubt there are enough kills by golf clubs to even count statistically.

You got any stats?!?!?

I think it was you that went for the numbers ...first

but in any case ....as a black belt....
I know guns are here to stay

it's not the gun that pulls the trigger

 

[shunyadragon]

hospitals in England noted a rise in the er room

knife wounds and clubbings.....

Count on your fingers, because of the absence of guns.

 

[Thief]

count all we want ....I suppose

the guns are here to stay

 

[wandering peacefully]

"With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?[/QUOTE]"



I believe change will be coming. But it will start at the local level. People in cities and states who have had enough of the status quo. They will demand change from their local town officials leading to more statewide legislation and then to the federal level. Just like most social issues. People will be tired of not being able to send their children to school without worrying about them not coming home. People will also grow tired of being bullied around by the NRA and will take their power from them with votes for locals who have the berries to stand up to them. My best guess is within 60 years big changes will have come. Right after Florida sinks into the sea. That last is meant to be funny but true also.

 

[Mindmaster]

Yeah sure because believing in civil liberties means socialist to you. Sorry no, being against bias doesn’t make a person bias.

There is absolutely nothing in modern liberal ideology that seeks or aspires to liberty, but rather just a certain set of talking points. Virtual slavery and government dependence are fine in the modern perspective, where a classical liberal would find these ideas abhorrent. Classical liberalism was about "worldwide free trade" and individual liberty - it didn't want the government involved in anything personal as it found it anti-competitive and limited the quality of any options.

 

[Altfish]

and 2000 people drown in back yard pools every year
(not sure where I heard that)

400,000 die from complications dealt by smoking

As my Mum used to say, "Two wrongs don't make a right"
What on earth that has got to do with guns.
We increase the price of cigarettes, we restrict the age at which they can be bought, how many mass killings at schools have there been because of cigarettes or swimming pools?

 

[LuisDantas]

I saw the attack in the news.....robbery and assault ....hotel lobby....it was brutal
Japan

they don't have guns

Switzerland has a practice....everyone owns a rifle and ammo (last I heard)

most peaceful place on earth

anyone gots stats?

This sort of thinking keeps mentioning Switzerland because it is such an outlier.

Me, I was born in Rio de Janeiro. Many otherwise helpless people carry guns there. That leaves me little room for delusions about whether they make people safe.

 

[Quetzal]

hospitals in England noted a rise in the er room

knife wounds and clubbings.....

You cannot compare the two. Kindly remind anyone at home when the last mass murder in a school occurred with a club.

 

[metis]

Obviously the chief of police in Chicago and NYC and you and others do not know federal laws
Want to try again @metis

 

[Thief]

"With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?



I believe change will be coming. But it will start at the local level. People in cities and states who have had enough of the status quo. They will demand change from their local town officials leading to more statewide legislation and then to the federal level. Just like most social issues. People will be tired of not being able to send their children to school without worrying about them not coming home. People will also grow tired of being bullied around by the NRA and will take their power from them with votes for locals who have the berries to stand up to them. My best guess is within 60 years big changes will have come. Right after Florida sinks into the sea. That last is meant to be funny but true also.

it has begun
here in this state it is now illegal to own/possess certain weapons

the people ho live in such communities now have their constitutional rights aborted

 

[Thief]

You cannot compare the two. Kindly remind anyone at home when the last mass murder in a school occurred with a club.

wanna use the Flintstones as your reference?

or Cain and Abel

 

[Thief]

the law about guns where I live
reads almost word for word......the writings of Hitler

 

[esmith]

Obviously the chief of police in Chicago and NYC and you and others do not know federal laws
Want to try again @metis

Guess not.
Now since you seem to keep repeating the same tired excuses from the chief of police in Chicago, how about you enlighten all of us with what "lax" firearm laws Indiana has that both the Chicago and NYC chief of police are referring to.
That is if you can.

Oh by the way I don't expect an answer.