Ivanka Trump LOCK HER UP!

[Nous]

I have not read this thread yet, but, Ivanka's email are definitely covered by the Presidential Records Act, 44 USC Ch. 22, and, as far as I know, it has not been determined whether she, and through her, her father, have violated this law, and/or the statutes regarding classified material.

If anyone has any information where it has been determined that she has not violated these laws, please provide it.

 

[wellwisher]

Clinton was partly right, Jeff. None of her emails were classified "secret" or "top secret" at the time she sent them. Retroactively, some were -- that is, only after she had sent them. Three email chains, however, contained paragraphs marked "confidential" at the time they were sent -- the lowest level of classification. So there's that.

Of the emails that were classified, many that were classified only contained information already available to the public. The State Department has in the past been heavily criticized for overuse of classification.

I wonder what folks will think if any of Trump's emails are retroactively classified?

Actually President Obama corresponded with Hillary via her private server. She was his secretary of state and the next person in line for the Democrat party, as presidential candidate; rigged primaries. Anything that comes from the office of the President is classified. Why do you think Hillary had to erase so much data even at the risk of disobeying a Congressional order?? You don't break a direct order to hide yoga discussions. Comey pardoned Hillary as part of the cover up strategy; plan B. So Hillary was able to erase and not worry about any negative outcome.

The question is why use a private e-mail server in the first place. One reason is you don't want a public record of your doings. Another reason is a government e-mail account can be seen, internally, by government IT personal under the guise of looking for outside hack anomalies. The second reason is to avoid swamp IT, from spying on you in real time.

Hillary was the first case, since she was influence peddling for the Clinton Foundation on company time. After she lost the election, donations to the Clinton foundation dropped significantly. Ivanka, on the other hand, was aware that the swamp is embedded at all levels of government, including IT, and she was avoiding snooping eyes. Hillary was part of the swamp and was not afraid of this. The FBI and Justice Departments had her back. The FBI and Justice Department don't have Trump's back, yet. Hillary was more concerned about the Republicans having a record of her criminal activity. A private server could be made to go away if need be, which is what happened under Obama.

Another consideration is that Comey and others indicated that foreign players had hacked Hillary's server. If this was so, then any classified correspondence with Obama would have been known to the hackers. It did seem that Obama and Hillary were caught unprepared for foreign affairs things like the Russian expansion. Did they unknowingly give away their strategy to Russian hackers? Or was part of the influence peddling deal to set up an easy to hack private server, as a way to passively sell classified intel and have a buffer?

 

[Father Heathen]

this man is dangerous to our democracy,

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The ignorance and stupidity of the American people is dangerous to our democracy, of which Trump is only a symptom. If we lose our democracy, it would be because we deserved it.

 

[metis]

Actually President Obama corresponded with Hillary via her private server. She was his secretary of state and the next person in line for the Democrat party, as presidential candidate; rigged primaries. Anything that comes from the office of the President is classified. Why do you think Hillary had to erase so much data even at the risk of disobeying a Congressional order?? You don't break a direct order to hide yoga discussions. Comey pardoned Hillary as part of the cover up strategy; plan B. So Hillary was able to erase and not worry about any negative outcome.

The question is why use a private e-mail server in the first place. One reason is you don't want a public record of your doings. Another reason is a government e-mail account can be seen, internally, by government IT personal under the guise of looking for outside hack anomalies. The second reason is to avoid swamp IT, from spying on you in real time.

Hillary was the first case, since she was influence peddling for the Clinton Foundation on company time. After she lost the election, donations to the Clinton foundation dropped significantly. Ivanka, on the other hand, was aware that the swamp is embedded at all levels of government, including IT, and she was avoiding snooping eyes. Hillary was part of the swamp and was not afraid of this. The FBI and Justice Departments had her back. The FBI and Justice Department don't have Trump's back, yet. Hillary was more concerned about the Republicans having a record of her criminal activity. A private server could be made to go away if need be, which is what happened under Obama.

Another consideration is that Comey and others indicated that foreign players had hacked Hillary's server. If this was so, then any classified correspondence with Obama would have been known to the hackers. It did seem that Obama and Hillary were caught unprepared for foreign affairs things like the Russian expansion. Did they unknowingly give away their strategy to Russian hackers? Or was part of the influence peddling deal to set up an easy to hack private server, as a way to passively sell classified intel and have a buffer?

So, what you are in essence saying is that if a Democrat does it, it's wrong; but if a Republican does it, it's excusable.

Got it.

 

[Riders]

Is your standard is that the Republicans didn’t win all the Democrat Senate seats up for election? I doubt that. Most of the Democrat seats up for election were “safe” seats. I don’t know of anybody that expected the Republicans to win in places like say, for example, California. It means that Democrats must try to convince four Republican Senators to vote with them on each and every vote in the Senate. That is a high bar. It all but guarantees that everything that requires “advice and consent” (such as confirmation of judges and cabinet officials and ratification of treaties) will sail through. Think Supreme Court nominees, confirmation of Attorney General Whitaker, and ratification of a revised NAFTA.

The Democrats will now also bear responsibility for governance. Think government shutdown responsibility. Trump can, with help of the Senate, put poison pills in spending bills and blame the Democrats. Imagine the House Democrats trying to spin not putting funding of the border wall in appropriations and forcing a shutdown. They would have to explain to voters, who want the wall funded, why they won’t fund it but would rather shutdown the government. For Democrats gaining the House this year may turn out to be a case of “be careful what you wish for”. Add into the mix that now Trump and the Republicans can use the specter of the unpopular Nancy Pelosi as a symbol for fund raising and get out the votes in 2020.

Hey Dems won the house period! You know they also won in several places that normally Republican including Texas House!