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I've Been Warning Y'all....Many Low Skill Jobs Will Soon Disappear

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
You don't need religion to be a moral person, and there is no shortage of people with religion who are terrible people.

Ha ha!!!! Ahhhh...eh, you my friend have a knack for misunderstanding my posts, either that or you have a misconstrued notion of what Christianity is about. In any case, first I didn't say one had to be a Christian to be a moral person, what I meant that if the worlds population practiced the moral tenets of Christianity, meaning Jesus's teachings, the world would be a far more moral and better place to live, both morally and otherwise. So you must agree that the two statements & concepts are different from a logical, if not (maybe a moral) conclusion/standpoint.

Secondly, your last somewhat of an anti-Christian slur (well that only applies if you were referencing Christianity)that is illogical/non-relevant to my post was your comment that many religious people are terrible. However again I was making the point that if the TEACHINGS OF CHRISTIANITY were practiced the world would be a paradise. There are many that claim the mantel of Christianity or other basically moral religions but are in truth not what they claim. A christian can not be a terrible person if he practices what is considered the teachings of Jesus IMO.




Pray for peace on earth ~

A Tree and its Fruit 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?…
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Ha ha!!!! Ahhhh...eh, you my friend have a knack for misunderstanding my posts, either that or you have a misconstrued notion of what Christianity is about. In any case, first I didn't say one had to be a Christian for it to be a better world etc etc. I meant that if the worlds population practiced the moral tenets of Christianity, meaning Jesus's teachings, the world would be a far more moral and better place to live. You react as if I said 'the world must all change to Christians to produce a paradise'. So you must agree that the two statements & concepts are different from a logical, if not (maybe a moral) conclusion/standpoint. Secondly, your last somewhat of an anti-Christian slur (well that only applies if you were referencing Christianity)that is illogical/non-relevant to my post was your comment that many religious people are terrible. However again I was making the point that if the TEACHINGS OF CHRISTIANITY were practiced the world would be a paradise. There are many that claim the mantel of Christianity or other basically moral religions but are in truth not what they claim. A christian can not be a terrible person if he practices what is considered the teachings of Jesus IMO.




Pray for peace on earth ~

A Tree and its Fruit 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?…
I am saying we don't need Christianity or any other religious tenants to improve things, and pointing out there are many Christians and those of other religions who have done more than their fare share to add the to world's suffering.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
I am saying we don't need Christianity or any other religious tenants to improve things, and .

Ok at least you can see where you were wrong on your earlier comments.

As for this latest comment I can only counter by quoting a famous saying which goes something like this; "A nations morals are judged by how they treat their prisoners"... So I ask you would you rather be in a prison ran by a Godless or atheist country or by one with Christian or other religious tenets in their constitution and documents?

For example would you would rather be put in a jail ran by a christian nation than by an atheist nation like North Korea.? Or if a POW in Nam, which would it be, an American POW camp or one ran by the Khmer Rouge. Or in WW2 I would far rather be a Japanese in an American prisoner camp than an American in a Japanese POW camp.

and pointing out there are many Christians and those of other religions who have done more than their fare share to add the to world's suffering

I cant speak for other religions and I cant change atrocities and misdemeanors committed by 'want to be' Christians (ie false prophets I referred to earlier) and 'non-Christians' trying to claim the mantel of Christianity hundreds or thousands of years ago. I will say that those that in the modern age doing such bad things were not practicing Christianity. By the teachings of Jesus violence is forbidden! I can say that Stalin and Paul Pot and others were atheists and slaughtered millions, no doubt about their atheism eh?

However, again you can not get over the fact that we are not speaking of those that claim Christianity, my original reply was referencing THOSE THAT PRACTICED THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS. NOT THOSE THAT FAILED TO ABIDE BY THOSE TEACHINGS. With all due respect, I hope I don't have to go over this again.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ok at least you can see where you were wrong on your earlier comments.

As for this latest comment I can only counter by quoting a famous saying which goes something like this; "A nations morals are judged by how they treat their prisoners"... So I ask you would you rather be in a prison ran by a Godless or atheist country or by one with Christian or other religious tenets in their constitution and documents?

For example would you would rather be put in a jail ran by a christian nation than by an atheist nation like North Korea.? Or if a POW in Nam, which would it be, an American POW camp or one ran by the Khmer Rouge. Or in WW2 I would far rather be a Japanese in an American prisoner camp than an American in a Japanese POW camp.
Your question about which jail she'd prefer is a teensy bit loaded.
I'll pose a different one.
Which country's jail would you prefer?
1) Norway (relatively God free)
2) Saudi Arabia (heavily loaded with God stuff)
As I recall, both SW & I favor better protection of prisoner rights here.
And we're both fire breathing heathens.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As for this latest comment I can only counter by quoting a famous saying which goes something like this; "A nations morals are judged by how they treat their prisoners"... So I ask you would you rather be in a prison ran by a Godless or atheist country or by one with Christian or other religious tenets in their constitution and documents?
The secular nation would have the benefit of not trying to uphold ancient standards and trying to appease some god that only has power over the believers. But, we can look at a place like America where there are a bunch of Christians and much Christian policy into law, or the much more Atheistic Norway, and if I had to do a sentence in the prison system of either one, I'll take Norway without second thought or hesitation.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Your question about which jail she'd prefer is a teensy bit loaded.
I'll pose a different one.
Which country's jail would you prefer?

A TEENY BIT HUH, LOL, i WAS TRYING TO GET A POINT ACROSS. OOPS CAPS. To answer your question I would want to be in a prison where I could practice my religion.


1) Norway (relatively God free)
2) Saudi Arabia (heavily loaded with God stuff)

Hates Christians even if they don't admit it!

As I recall, both SW & I favor better protection of prisoner rights here.
And we're both fire breathing heathens.

As do I, a man shouldn't fear for his life in jail. And I would in any prison in America.

But I am guilty as charged.
But please don't taze me bro!

Hell far', these days a man should consider himself lucky just to make it to prison alive.

A black man should consider it a miracle ~

What a screwy world ~ I need God just to know where the boundaries are~ don't ask me which boundaries, lol ~
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
The secular nation would have the benefit of not trying to uphold ancient standards and trying to appease some god that only has power over the believers. But, we can look at a place like America where there are a bunch of Christians and much Christian policy into law, or the much more Atheistic Norway, and if I had to do a sentence in the prison system of either one, I'll take Norway without second thought or hesitation.

See ya there mate !

Just kidding, I would probably choose Norway too. I dig the scenery and they have some cutting edge bike builders there ~
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A TEENY BIT HUH, LOL, i WAS TRYING TO GET A POINT ACROSS. OOPS CAPS. To answer your question I would want to be in a prison where I could practice my religion.




Hates Christians even if they don't admit it!



As do I, a man shouldn't fear for his life in jail. And I would in any prison in America.

But I am guilty as charged.
But please don't taze me bro!

Hell far', these days a man should consider himself lucky just to make it to prison alive.

A black man should consider it a miracle ~

What a screwy world ~ I need God just to know where the boundaries are~ don't ask me which boundaries, lol ~
Plenty of black guys make it to prison alive.
But that's more a symptom of something wrong, rather than something good.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Plenty of black guys make it to prison alive.
But that's more a symptom of something wrong, rather than something good.


Yes I was making a bit of a 'sarcasm funny' while risking being called a racist or my comment being in bad taste!

A few general thoughts about the nature of racism hate and the stinking glue that binds it together, i.e. ; poverty

My Grandad was a french national and my father a naturalized American, how I ended up being brought up in the abject poverty of Appalachia is a long story, but I was. So that brings me to this next comment. IMO, we poor* whites have much much more in common with economically challenged blacks than we do with even our middle class white friends. Even the housing projects are mostly white here in this and a couple other towns near here (Elizabethton and Erwin TN. No I ain't fraid' of giving out my home town). Growing up in my early teens the police treated us with disdain and I suffered many an accident when in their care, lol. My redneck racist associates look at me like I am crazy when I tell them that they should be highly concerned what is happening to the blacks. Of course no matter what our economic or racial profile is we should care what happens to our fellow man. Also the police have a difficult job and many of the vids that end up on the CNN's and the MSNBC's are there on the behest of anti police groups and people. But due to my upbringing even though I am a vet I am still very suspicious of police and their intent. They should be in that job ONLY to protect and server and not as a solider ready to employ lethal force in even the most benign situation.

footnotes; 'we poor' meant that from the age of 4 to 16 man we were truly hillbilly poor as a family. Not to say we didn't have some beautiful times enjoying natural splendor of the deep blue ridge mountains, but dad had to drive to FL to work etc etc. However and maybe unfortunately that kind of poverty doesn't exist now, well unless its way back in the mountains and usually self imposed.

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MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Those are being mechanized/automated too.

(note drop to last paragraph to skip the general information) I don't know about picking fruit or doing agricultural crop work but I can tell anyone that the hard work is not the problem. I began working as a journeyman iron-worker as a young adult as soon as I got out of the Army. Its a high paying skilled labor job and there aren't many if any jobs as physically demanding than the reinforcing ironwork. Some guys just can't do it. Anyway I eventually hooked up with a good company and was making about five times the min wage. It takes about eight years, total to become proficient at the work, ie from general labor to apprentice to a sub group to a journeyman which simply means a JM can do all phases of ironwork from working high steel connecting to 'punking' in the reinforcing rods in the foundation. Just as I was about to get out of this kind of work having went to school at night to earn a degree(s), I noticed subcontractors bringing in all Mexican and South American ironworker crews. I liked those guys, especially the south American Indians because they had no fear of heights and they would be right beside me when as foreman I asked for volunteers for dangerous jobs (ie very high work).

The problem was when one of my befriended Mexican guys told me what they were making for skilled reinforcing ironwork on the same job-site I was on. It was less than min wage! As a couple years passed I was forced to train the all Mexican and south American crews and turn a blind eye to their inexperience etc. Even though I rarely worked in the field I watched the wages for Journeymen iron-workers to stagnate then drop and drop and drop. Today except in union shops most iron-workers are not Americana and the craft pays little more than general labor. So its not that Americans will not work hard difficult jobs, they will, I did for over ten years. Its that Americans can not feed their families on what these undocumented workers will work for.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The problem was when one of my befriended Mexican guys told me what they were making for skilled reinforcing ironwork on the same job-site I was on. It was less than min wage! As a couple years passed I was forced to train the all Mexican and south American crews and turn a blind eye to their inexperience etc. Even though I rarely worked in the field I watched the wages for Journeymen iron-workers to stagnate then drop and drop and drop. Today except in union shops most iron-workers are not Americana and the craft pays little more than general labor. So its not that Americans will not work hard difficult jobs, they will, I did for over ten years. Its that Americans can not feed their families on what these undocumented workers will work for.
Long story short during those days we little students were hammered about the coming two or three day work week the flyin' cars, space motels and all the other goodies that science and technology would bring us by 1990 at the latest. Oh yeah the robots! Those babies would make the two or three day work week possible Ole HAL would slave away while we basked in our new found wealth, we don't have to pay robots wages or pensions or health plans....Guess what? GREED HAPPENED. Low down dirty greed, CEOs with their golden parachutes, nations funding unending wars paid for with funny money and our two work week money. GREED. GREED GREED!!! plain ole piggy greed. Jesus was right when he said the LOVE of money ie GREED is the root of all evil.
I wish robots would enable individuals to manufacture our own goods. I can see the potential, but the cost of manufacturing robots is still high. You can't manufacture them yourself (easily), and training them is complicated. It is possible however, particularly with the amazing open source software available and the (currently) cheap programming boards available.

If jobs are disappearing then we are headed for a huge worldwide manufacturing crash, in which case computer and robot part prices may skyrocket. Buy computer parts now while they're cheap, and store them in Nitrogen for your grandchildren. Buy robot parts. Buy motors. Buy seals and bearings and gears. Buy cables. Buy copper wire. Buy Raspberry Pi 3's and welders and saws. Buy Lego Mindstorms kits and manufacturing tools. Buy Lithium and rare metals. Its all gold in the future (but of course look for the best prices).

Also buy one of those Rambo style survival knives with a compass and a little cable saw stored in its handle.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
I wish robots would enable individuals to manufacture our own goods. I can see the potential, but the cost of manufacturing robots is still high. You can't manufacture them yourself (easily), and training them is complicated. It is possible however, particularly with the amazing open source software available and the (currently) cheap programming boards available.

If jobs are disappearing then we are headed for a huge worldwide manufacturing crash, in which case computer and robot part prices may skyrocket. Buy computer parts now while they're cheap, and store them in Nitrogen for your grandchildren. Buy robot parts. Buy motors. Buy seals and bearings and gears. Buy cables. Buy copper wire. Buy Raspberry Pi 3's and welders and saws. Buy Lego Mindstorms kits and manufacturing tools. Buy Lithium and rare metals. Its all gold in the future (but of course look for the best prices).

Also buy one of those Rambo style survival knives with a compass and a little cable saw stored in its handle.

Are you serious? Rambo Knives? DON'T DO IT! I bought one of those things way back in the day at the local flea market for $9.99. I couldn't wait to get home to check it out. SO there I was ripping the thin cardboard box apart. But I must have used too much rambo like muscles because something broke and the cheap round compass that held the Blade to the handle came off in my hand as I was doing ramobone moves. All the neat survival stuff went everywhere, but the worst part was the 12" serrated knife blade was now a four pound spear which nearly impaled my toes to the deck......

Ha ha...

I am not making fun of you if you are a prepper' I am too somewhat. We well those of us that did not rob wall st and or profit from 10 year long better put something back and I mean it! Not GOLD except enough to use for petty cash. I mean food. Our money is literally worthless and we have a Fed that has a treasury devoid of Gold but filled with fiat currency ..... oh man whats the use?
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Are you serious? Rambo Knives? DON'T DO IT! I bought one of those things way back in the day at the local flea market for $9.99. I couldn't wait to get home to check it out. SO there I was ripping the thin cardboard box apart. But I must have used too much rambo like muscles because something broke and the cheap round compass that held the Blade to the handle came off in my hand as I was doing ramobone moves. All the neat survival stuff went everywhere, but the worst part was the 12" serrated knife blade was now a four pound spear which nearly impaled my toes to the deck......

Ha ha...
They are disappointing. I almost bought one several times but never did. All my knives are either free, cheap, or free and cheap.
I am not making fun of you if you are a prepper' I am too somewhat. We well those of us that did not rob wall st and or profit from 10 year long better put something back and I mean it! Not GOLD except enough to use for petty cash. I mean food. Our money is literally worthless and we have a Fed that has a treasury devoid of Gold but filled with fiat currency ..... oh man whats the use?
There is a lot of political fear mongering about it, especially on youtube. I have taken a few economics classes, and I understand the risks of inflation. Our country (USA) has a lot of value, so our currency isn't going to drop off of a cliff. We have educated people combined with a lot of investment and honesty, a good infrastructure and a government that doesn't swoop in and take over successful companies. That all contributes to stability. Not every country has all of that. Even now many other governments invest in our money, because they believe in its value. Remember this, too; that 4 years ago, 8 years ago and 12 years ago we heard the same cries that our currency was about to collapse. It came from politically funded think-tanks, internet sites, speeches, facebook, friends and all over the place. So very frequently impending doom was claimed when there was no impending doom.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
(note drop to last paragraph to skip the general information) I don't know about picking fruit or doing agricultural crop work but I can tell anyone that the hard work is not the problem. I began working as a journeyman iron-worker as a young adult as soon as I got out of the Army. Its a high paying skilled labor job and there aren't many if any jobs as physically demanding than the reinforcing ironwork. Some guys just can't do it. Anyway I eventually hooked up with a good company and was making about five times the min wage. It takes about eight years, total to become proficient at the work, ie from general labor to apprentice to a sub group to a journeyman which simply means a JM can do all phases of ironwork from working high steel connecting to 'punking' in the reinforcing rods in the foundation. Just as I was about to get out of this kind of work having went to school at night to earn a degree(s), I noticed subcontractors bringing in all Mexican and South American ironworker crews. I liked those guys, especially the south American Indians because they had no fear of heights and they would be right beside me when as foreman I asked for volunteers for dangerous jobs (ie very high work).

The problem was when one of my befriended Mexican guys told me what they were making for skilled reinforcing ironwork on the same job-site I was on. It was less than min wage! As a couple years passed I was forced to train the all Mexican and south American crews and turn a blind eye to their inexperience etc. Even though I rarely worked in the field I watched the wages for Journeymen iron-workers to stagnate then drop and drop and drop. Today except in union shops most iron-workers are not Americana and the craft pays little more than general labor. So its not that Americans will not work hard difficult jobs, they will, I did for over ten years. Its that Americans can not feed their families on what these undocumented workers will work for.
The fruble is for relating your interesting experience.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
They are disappointing. I almost bought one several times but never did. All my knives are either free, cheap, or free and cheap.


Thanks for your reply. I have been in the prepper' thing so long its second mature to me. When we began prepping it was called being a boy raised in the mountains! Really! But those knives, most of the so called Rambo knives were made by using a 20 ton hammer forge to mash a pipe together then investment striking the flat pipe into a blade. Basically worthless! However, there is a lot of good things to be said of re-purposing items and knives are thrown away too often! I am happy you had friends and family that passed knives down to you. Usually the older knives are made from truly top drawer high carbon steel. I would stay away from the stainless steel blades, the metal is too hard and nearly impossible to sharpen. BTW I liked your tip about stocking up on lithium too.

There is a lot of political fear mongering about it, especially on youtube. I have taken a few economics classes, and I understand the risks of inflation. Our country (USA) has a lot of value, so our currency isn't going to drop off of a cliff. We have educated people combined with a lot of investment and honesty, a good infrastructure and a government that doesn't swoop in and take over successful companies. That all contributes to stability. Not every country has all of that. Even now many other governments invest in our money, because they believe in its value. Remember this, too; that 4 years ago, 8 years ago and 12 years ago we heard the same cries that our currency was about to collapse. It came from politically funded think-tanks, internet sites, speeches, facebook, friends and all over the place. So very frequently impending doom was claimed when there was no impending doom.

Since you have a few (recent it sounds like) semester hours under your belt I would like to ask you how could (or would) our government stop a run on the banks? I don't expect social unrest will be caused by a total failure of the economic system ie the population losing trust and demanding their money in currency. I do fear a natural or man made EMP (electro magnetic pulse) which would be disastrous. In fact I do not expect any huge scale or extinction level event on the horizon, still an extra case of food canned and dry, some C notes and silver quarters etc would help tide anyone over if something did happen.....

Peace ~

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