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January 6th, Just What Was It?

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Jan 6 was an insurrection.
When the riots first happened; day 1, the Media and Left did not call it an insurrection. It was called the Capital riots. They tried to paint everyone at the Demonstration as rioters, even though most people were peaceful. It seemed more like payback for the Summer of 2020 riots being called riots. It took a few weeks before the meme, "insurrection", was created and then this was repeated again and again, by fake news, until the meme stuck, like a jingle in the heads of the Left. This is why is it good to know and even remember history, and not get sucked into revisionist's history. First impressions tend to be cleaner than mob inductions. As time goes on, revisionist history can take over since the mind wants to embellish.

The late Rush Limbaugh used to do this parody skit, where he would make a recording of the marching orders from the Left Brass, given to fake news and then how a dozen or more media outlets, would all say the very same narrative, right down to the same buzz words du jour. This template was also followed for the Jan 6, riots. I tired to Google how many times the media said the buzz work; insurrection. I remember how fake it sounded in 100 part harmony. I did a Google search to see if anyone did a count, but Google results were overly sanitized to that question. The first page of answers were how Trump was evil, which I did not ask. My guess is 100-1000 times per day for the first few weeks. This may give us a clue to how long it take to program about 90% of the Lefties. Science observations skills also have real world applications.

One of the tricks that was used by the Jan 6 Committee, was to present good facts, but not the whole truth, thereby influencing context. If you leave out data, the curve will change. The new curve will still be made up of facts, but not all the facts. The result of the shifted curve that new curve may have a spin.

For example, has anyone seen the video of Q'anon being led peacefully around the Capital, escorted by Capital police? What caused the dynamics to change from the tour being mutually respectful and peaceful, to violent? If the violence had been already brewing in the Capital, the Capital Police would not being giving a tour. Or if the violence had starting during the tour, they would have had a system wide security alert, and they would have ended the tour. Instead it continued as what appears to be a long leisurely tourist tour. There had to be a tipping point, after that video.

As an analogy, you go to park with your family, so the kids can play ball with their friends and have a family picnic with your wife and smaller child. Everyone at the park knows each other and are planning a relaxing and fun day. All of a sudden, bigger kids appear, who had been drinking and start to bully the smaller kids. Many of the parents go to the field to see what is happening and to try to peacefully restore order. It escalates, due to the rabble rouser teens not wanting to back down. If we start taking a video at the point where the rabble rousers escalate and the parents start to defend, but fail to show the peaceful beginning, one might be convinced these angry parent came for a fight. Fake news can spin.

The video of Q'anon shows a family picnic, so I was curious how this fits into the rabble rousers, and why wasn't that context shown by the Jan 6 committee, if truth was important? There were no serious events earlier at the demonstration, so what cause the crowd to get so ugly?

One video I saw the first week and is now part of the Video given to Tucker Carlson, was a large white male; who looked like a plain clothes cop, trying to incite the crowd, near the Capital. He even gets up high and talks loud to seen and heard. I saw many people, not going along, with some calling him an FBI plant, trying to start trouble.

This person of interest was never interviewed by the Jan 6 committee. His last name is Epp. He was never rounded up or interviewed by the FBI. There are good photos of him but he was not pursued. We may need to interview him, as well as members of the Jan 6 committee, as to why his instigation role was not considered important by the Committee? People with lessor roles were put in jail. Why?

This may be why, the new kill the messenger meme was created, not too long after the videos were given outside the Committee. Once a mob gets going, it is not always clear who is who, especially if one side gets to control the narrative for two years. We need all sides to chime in, and take time to draw the full curve.
 
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It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
When the riots first happened; day 1, the Media and Left did not call it an insurrection. It was called the Capital riots.
It was both. An insurrection is a particular type of riot, different from a race riot or a prison riot. One needs to know the motivation to decide what to call a riot. I didn't understand what their purpose was either when I first saw the insurrection riot footage.
What caused the dynamics to change from the tour being mutually respectful and peaceful, to violent?
The insurrectionists arrived at their destination and turned their attention from the police who abetted them to the congresspersons they came to string up.
The video of Q'anon shows a family picnic
LOL. And you like to accuse others of revisionism.

Well, there'll be plenty of opportunity for them to picnic in prison. They even make wine there. You can find the recipe if you jump to "prison wine" in this link, which is a series of hilarious articles on things this guy will eat but probably shouldn't:

The Sneeze - Half zine. Half blog. Half not good with fractions.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
When the riots first happened; day 1, the Media and Left did not call it an insurrection. It was called the Capital riots.
Good for reputable media for waiting until they had more evidence of a conspiracy and plot, including Trump's participation.
They tried to paint everyone at the Demonstration as rioters, even though most people were peaceful.
There never should have been a protest to get out of hand, because it was all a lie Trump told his gullible followers. If some were smart enought to not go into the Capitol, then good for them. Trump might accuse them of not being patriotic enough. Hopefully they learned to stop supporting corrupt candidates like Trump.
It seemed more like payback for the Summer of 2020 riots being called riots. It took a few weeks before the meme, "insurrection", was created and then this was repeated again and again, by fake news, until the meme stuck, like a jingle in the heads of the Left. This is why is it good to know and even remember history, and not get sucked into revisionist's history. First impressions tend to be cleaner than mob inductions. As time goes on, revisionist history can take over since the mind wants to embellish.

The late Rush Limbaugh used to do this parody skit, where he would make a recording of the marching orders from the Left Brass, given to fake news and then how a dozen or more media outlets, would all say the very same narrative, right down to the same buzz words du jour. This template was also followed for the Jan 6, riots. I tired to Google how many times the media said the buzz work; insurrection. I remember how fake it sounded in 100 part harmony. I did a Google search to see if anyone did a count, but Google results were overly sanitized to that question. The first page of answers were how Trump was evil, which I did not ask. My guess is 100-1000 times per day for the first few weeks. This may give us a clue to how long it take to program about 90% of the Lefties. Science observations skills also have real world applications.

One of the tricks that was used by the Jan 6 Committee, was to present good facts, but not the whole truth, thereby influencing context. If you leave out data, the curve will change. The new curve will still be made up of facts, but not all the facts. The result of the shifted curve that new curve may have a spin.

For example, has anyone seen the video of Q'anon being led peacefully around the Capital, escorted by Capital police? What caused the dynamics to change from the tour being mutually respectful and peaceful, to violent? If the violence had been already brewing in the Capital, the Capital Police would not being giving a tour. Or if the violence had starting during the tour, they would have had a system wide security alert, and they would have ended the tour. Instead it continued as what appears to be a long leisurely tourist tour. There had to be a tipping point, after that video.

As an analogy, you go to park with your family, so the kids can play ball with their friends and have a family picnic with your wife and smaller child. Everyone at the park knows each other and are planning a relaxing and fun day. All of a sudden, bigger kids appear, who had been drinking and start to bully the smaller kids. Many of the parents go to the field to see what is happening and to try to peacefully restore order. It escalates, due to the rabble rouser teens not wanting to back down. If we start taking a video at the point where the rabble rousers escalate and the parents start to defend, but fail to show the peaceful beginning, one might be convinced these angry parent came for a fight. Fake news can spin.

The video of Q'anon shows a family picnic, so I was curious how this fits into the rabble rousers, and why wasn't that context shown by the Jan 6 committee, if truth was important? There were no serious events earlier at the demonstration, so what cause the crowd to get so ugly?

One video I saw the first week and is now part of the Video given to Tucker Carlson, was a large white male; who looked like a plain clothes cop, trying to incite the crowd, near the Capital. He even gets up high and talks loud to seen and heard. I saw many people, not going along, with some calling him an FBI plant, trying to start trouble.

This person of interest was never interviewed by the Jan 6 committee. His last name is Epp. He was never rounded up or interviewed by the FBI. There are good photos of him but he was not pursued. We may need to interview him, as well as members of the Jan 6 committee, as to why his instigation role was not considered important by the Committee? People with lessor roles were put in jail. Why?

This may be why, the new kill the messenger meme was created, not too long after the videos were given outside the Committee. Once a mob gets going, it is not always clear who is who, especially if one side gets to control the narrative for two years. We need all sides to chime in, and take time to draw the full curve.
And the rest of this is incoherent ramblings and conspiracy theory.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
As an analogy, you go to park with your family, so the kids can play ball with their friends and have a family picnic with your wife and smaller child. Everyone at the park knows each other and are planning a relaxing and fun day. All of a sudden, bigger kids appear, who had been drinking and start to bully the smaller kids. Many of the parents go to the field to see what is happening and to try to peacefully restore order. It escalates, due to the rabble rouser teens not wanting to back down. If we start taking a video at the point where the rabble rousers escalate and the parents start to defend, but fail to show the peaceful beginning, one might be convinced these angry parent came for a fight. Fake news can spin.
Just so we're clear: in this analogy, the people who set up a gallows in front of the Capitol are the ones having a "family picnic"... right?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Just so we're clear: in this analogy, the people who set up a gallows in front of the Capitol are the ones having a "family picnic"... right?
Now now, to be fair, not everyone who marched on the Capitol Building participated in building the gallows, breaking in to the Capitol building or calling for the deaths of elected officials. They were just all perfectly happy to march alongside the people who built a gallows, broke into the Capitol building and call for the death of elected officials.

Totally innocent.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This is the best you got?

Just ignore literally everything leading up to and resulting from the insurrection and just claim that, because it wasn't exactly stellarly arranged, it doesn't count as an insurrection?

And I also find it hilarious the way you make it sound like Ashli Babbit - a woman who was shot by security while TRYING TO BREAK INTO THE CAPITOL BUILDING DURING THE COUNTING OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES - as simply "shooting an unarmed woman". You know full well that in any other scenario you would not give someone breaking and entering into a building - much less a building that contains elected officials carrying out a vital democratic process - this kind of benefit of the doubt. But because it's inconvenient for you to admit that the right is responsible for a literal attack on democracy, suddenly everything that you claim you value is an irrelevancy.

This is all you can do. Ignore facts and narrativise.
Well, as we all know, if bank robbers get caught trying to rob a bank, they don't get charges pressed against them and they just get off scot-free because they failed, right? :shrug:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
False.
In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large...
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9778...ere-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used
Do you have any idea how many times I have pointed this out to people only to have them repeat again, that nobody was armed.
They don't care. They've got a Fox News narrative and damnit, they're sticking to it!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The mob wasn’t armed, not ONE single shot was fired by protestors.
Something like 114 Capitol police officers were injured that day. I guess they just injured themselves, eh?

This narrative you are pushing is pathetic.

Several posters have already pointed out to you that many members of the mob were armed (and charged for it), but you just go on pretending like you didn't hear that or something. I guess it doesn't fit yours and Fox "News'" pathetic narrative.


"In April, 72-year-old Lonnie Coffman of Falkville, Alabama, was sentenced to four years in prison for bringing loaded guns, ammunition and Molotov cocktail ingredients to Washington on Jan. 6." "

"In March 2022, 49-year-old Texan Guy Reffitt, was convicted (among other charges) for being unlawfully present on Capitol grounds while possessing a firearm and transporting firearms during civil disorder."

"A Department of Justice indictment from January 2021 also states that Christopher Alberts, Maryland, was found carrying a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6."

"Off-duty Drug Enforcement Administration agent Mark Sami Ibrahim, 32, was also indicted by a grand jury for bringing a firearm within the United States Capitol and its grounds.

In an article for Newsweek, Nick Suplina and Justin Wagner of Everytown for Gun Safety said they had identified "12 individuals allegedly tied to the events of Jan. 6 who were arrested in Washington, D.C., and charged with firearms offenses."

A U.S. Capitol Police intelligence division report also found posts on now defunct blog thedonald.win in the lead-up to Jan. 6, which, the report said, contained "several comments [that] promote confronting members of Congress and carrying firearms during the protest." "
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Do you have any idea how many times I have pointed this out to people only to have them repeat again, that nobody was armed.
They don't care. They've got a Fox News narrative and damnit, they're sticking to it!
The only people that had guns were the cops.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Absolutely right. He provides the balance of provable lies and grifting to the narrative of actual facts.
Its cognitive dissonance to the Left who can't stand to be challenged. They even gloat about how they mislead their own sheeple.

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Colt

Well-Known Member
We have emails and texts from Tucker where he basically admits that he is a grifter who will say anything Rupert Murdoch pays him to.

Find another great white hope. Preferably one is doesn't look like an inflatable fast food mascot.
He's living rent free in your head!
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The mob wasn’t armed, not ONE single shot was fired by protestors.
Still with this? The mob was armed and intent on murder. That fact doesn't go away however inconvenient it may be to insurrection apologists.
The reason he annoys the Left so much is that he provides balance to their narrative.
He's a propagandist in support of anti-American beliefs and tendencies. He's been a propagandist for Trump and Putin, two antidemocratic, authoritarian strongmen. He's admitted to lying on air. All of that is just fine with MAGA, but not with people who love America and it's Constitution and who respect the rule of law and want criminals brought to justice. If those aren't your principles, then you stand with Trump and Putin, not America.

He's living rent free in your head!
Yes, in the dungeon manacled to and hanging from a cold, stone wall. Carlson in my head is not having a good time. Think Reek in Game of Thrones if that means anything to you. Nor is the actual Carlson going to enjoy what's coming for him now that he's an admitted propagandist soon to be embroiled in legal difficulties coming from multiple directions. That must feel terrible.

I hear something similar about Trump living rent-free, but this is from people who can't understand how it feels to have Trump in one's mind now. I'm picturing a caged, raging, pacing animal, but one that knows what its fate will be. The Palmer Report is an excellent site to get that schadenfreude itch scratched. They like to focus on what life is like for those in the crosshairs now:

 
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