metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Did you ever get around to asking yourself why did McCarthy give the 44,000 hours of recordings to just one person on just one network? Any clue?
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January 6th, Just What Was It?
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, all of those who pled guilty and are in prison, with many of them saying they were just following Trump's orders, were lying? And the judges are supposedly so brain dead that they couldn't rightfully see through this?
I totally agree on the outcome of the election.
But certain irregularities made people question the outcome.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Socialists by definition are liberal.
The attempted coup by Trump and his co-conspirators tried to use the system to do it, namely exploiting vague rules in the Electoral College system. This is why Guiliani set up fake electors in five states, and then another two were talking about it. Their aim was that the fake electors would get seated over he actual electors, or at least cause confusion and a dilemma that would have stalled the whole process that is required to be concluded on January 6. There are no provisions for what to do if this process is interupted or otherwise stopped. This is what Trump and the mob were trying to do. Do you follow me here, their plan was to disrupt the process that is required to be completed on January 6. Eastman had a dubious legal argument that would have used the rigid rules of the process to call it all as invalid. The one part that is unclear is that Trump would no longer be president on January 20 as per the rules, so with no winner of the election Biden would not be president either. This is why pence decided to stay, because he was obligated to continue his role in the counting of the electors. His secret service wanted to take him away, which he famously refused by saying that he would not get in that car. His detail is reported as being very scared for their lives.
And the "Movement for the Truth" was founded on disinformation, and based on Trump's lie of massive election fraud. The truth was that Barr, Wrey, and other federal officials said there was no indication of massive fraud. This is why many of the people who went on FOX claiming election fraud are facing indictment. Sydney powel and Guiliani and Eastman have all been disbared due to their misconduct and criminal activity as Trump's lawyers.
Trump continually claimed the election was stolen. It's literally what he says, so for you to say "A movement who has never claimed the election was stolen, but has demanded the proper investigations." is completely false and contrary to their own statements. The movement you are referring to is absurd since they were duped by lies of a "stolen election".
I'm curious what sort of media you consume to believe what you posted above, it certainly isn't reputable for you to hold views that are obviously counter to what is known factually.
Neo-liberism is the opposite of Socialism.
Since you Americans call liberalism what we in Italy call liberism or neo-liberism, liberalism is the opposite of Socialism.
They are all terms invented in Europe, btw
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's not what happened.
Fox encouraged people to go to where the vote was counted and go watch for themselves but were not allowed in because one has to register in advance. Also, there was the issue of boxes being carried in and out, and then it was explained that this is normal as they have to make room for new ballots coming in.
The question is why isn't the far right concerned? Oh right, they were the mob masquerading as "patriots".
I guess that's why about 1000 are charged with crimes against the USA, some of whom blame Trump.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
^^this!^^
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Yes, I'm aware of who supplied them. That makes me even more dubious. Other posters have pointed out that if McCarthy actually cared about public accountability, he would have released them to the public, rather than to a propaganda arm of his own party that masquerades as a news program.
Tucker Carlson didn't play the entire video, right? Just some selective snippets that he and his crew edited out. And since Tucker Carlson is a known liar, I'm not going to take his word for anything. And neither should anybody else who cares about the truth.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Eeeeesh.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Your news sources are extremely poor and you don't seem to care about that at all.Wow.. how jumpity and touchy people get when something is different to what they were force fed.
And as I noted in a previous post far right pundit Liz Wheeler took Carlson's broadcast and doubled down with false conclusions. How many far right citizens only watch these corrupt agents of disinformation and are even more cyinical about democracy? If a viewer is so deluded to believe these far right wing disinformation broadcasts offer news then it will eventually have a negative consequence. Until Jan 6 it was not a direct threat to national security, but today it is.
An incompetent insurrection.
Colt
Well-Known Member
I cant speak for the for right, but if it was BLM or Atifa they could have burned down the buildings and there wouldn't be concern or hearings.
False. People who are caught committing crimes will be arrested and prosecuted. Feel free to offer examples of your conspiracy theory.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Apparently part of the right-wing alternate reality about Jan 6 is complete denial of the fact that multiple people who participated in the insurrection have pled guilty to, and been convicted of, seditious conspiracy, assaulting officers, obstructing an official proceeding, etc.
CLICK HERE to see a summary.
"Criminal charges:
Pleas:
CLICK HERE to see a summary.
"Criminal charges:
- Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
- Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
- Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
- Approximately 919 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 101 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
- Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 46 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
- More than 306 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
- Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Pleas:
- Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
- Approximately 133 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 385 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
- A total of 60 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 26 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 86 defendants, 47 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 90 months.
- Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy."
I’m not American, but I did watch Jan 6 live. As in the people storming the Capitol building literally filmed themselves and live-streamed the entire event. And various folks I watch online reacted to it in real time.
It was….interesting to say the least.
So I don’t know what the US news is saying about the event, but it was pretty evident from the actual live source that the crowd was against the results, believed that the election was stolen, wished harm to congress and ultimately didn’t know what to do once they overwhelmed police.
That such individuals faced criminal charges does not surprise me in the least.
Bunch of loons, you ask me
It was….interesting to say the least.
So I don’t know what the US news is saying about the event, but it was pretty evident from the actual live source that the crowd was against the results, believed that the election was stolen, wished harm to congress and ultimately didn’t know what to do once they overwhelmed police.
That such individuals faced criminal charges does not surprise me in the least.
Bunch of loons, you ask me
Also, somewhat unrelated but Tucker Carlson creeps me the hell out. I don’t know why. Just a vibe of creeper, I guess
And his weird reactions to sexy M&Ms don’t really make him look better lol
He’s quite the laughing stock among actual journalists apparently.
And his weird reactions to sexy M&Ms don’t really make him look better lol
He’s quite the laughing stock among actual journalists apparently.