January 6th, Just What Was It?

[ImmortalFlame]

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The left has always condemned mobs attacking buildings and police officers, yes.

We're also very concerned about democracy, which was something this particular mob was explicitly arranged to curtail. Your non-argument is noted.

 

[Colt]

The left has always condemned mobs attacking buildings and police officers, yes.

We're also very concerned about democracy, which was something this particular mob was explicitly arranged to curtail. Your non-argument is noted.

You don't seem to be concerned about woke Leftist mobs attacking buildings and police officers!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You don't seem to be concerned about woke Leftist mobs attacking buildings and police officers!

Yes, I am, actually. The left has always condemned that.

Please stop making up random stuff, and adding words like "woke" and "leftist" doesn't scare me.

Also, this was not just "attacking buildings and police officers". It was an armed protest, spurred by provable lies told to them by the sitting president of the United States, entering a government building in order to disrupt a democratic process.

Not some random building. Not some random officers. Not a random mob.

 

[Estro Felino]

The left has always condemned mobs attacking buildings and police officers, yes.

We're also very concerned about democracy, which was something this particular mob was explicitly arranged to curtail. Your non-argument is noted.

That's for sure.
The Left of today is light years away from trade unionists, strikes, demonstrations,...all that involves workers' rights.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That's for sure.
The Left of today is light years away from trade unionists, strikes, demonstrations,...all that involves workers' rights.

Depends which "left" we're talking about. Depending on who you talk to, when people say "the left" they can mean neoliberals, liberals, centrists, Democrats, centre-leaning Republicans, anarchists, Communists, Socialists, Marxist-Leninists, or just a pick and mix of all of the above. To be fair, the same can often be said when people use the term "the right".

I don't consider the modern Democratic party to be actually politically leftwing, but understand and accept that the majority of people in America, when they refer to "the left" often mean the Democratic party and anyone to the left of it.

 

[Kenny]

The definition of "insurrection" doesn't require that the insurrectionists be armed.
Being armed is useful, but not all insurrectionists plan ahead or are competent.
Jan 6 was more than just occupation...it was motivated by the belief that
Biden stole election victory from Trump. It appeared that they tried to
install their Dear Leader.

The other option is that it wasn't an insurrection but a few that were radicals that pressed in and the rest were suckered in. I don't remember any insurrectionists that actually did something without being armed.

 

[Estro Felino]

Depends which "left" we're talking about. Depending on who you talk to, when people say "the left" they can mean neoliberals, liberals, centrists, Democrats, centre-leaning Republicans, anarchists, Communists, Socialists, Marxist-Leninists, or just a pick and mix of all of the above. To be fair, the same can often be said when people use the term "the right".

I don't consider the modern Democratic party to be actually politically leftwing, but understand and accept that the majority of people in America, when they refer to "the left" often mean the Democratic party and anyone to the left of it.

Then we perfectly agree on what the DP is.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Then we perfectly agree on what the DP is.

I have no idea if that's the case. I regard the current Democratic party as neo-Liberal centrist with progressive elements.

 

[Kenny]

What happened is that Chansley had the audacity to shout obscenities in the Senate Chamber, to sit in Mike Pence's seat there, and to refuse multiple requests from the police that he leave. Also, he also went all-out on the cosplay, used a bullhorn, and carried a U.S. flag.
Who would you choose to follow around the capitol building if you were a police officer?

Wouldn't you think that when he was alone among 8 officers they would go ahead and handcuff him? And not show him around? Or at the least say, "no further than here?" I did love it when, from the bullhorn, he thanked the police for letting them in.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The other option is that it wasn't an insurrection but a few that were radicals that pressed in and the rest were suckered in. I don't remember any insurrectionists that actually did something without being armed.

Weird how you want to downplay a clear and obvious attempt to subvert the democratic processes of America and violence committed against democratically elected officials and those assigned to protect them.

 

[Estro Felino]

I have no idea if that's the case. I regard the current Democratic party as neo-Liberal centrist with progressive elements.

So they are not Socialists because I do know some Socialists and they are not liberal.

 

[Kenny]

Weird how you want to downplay a clear and obvious attempt to subvert the democratic processes of America and violence committed against democratically elected officials and those assigned to protect them.

Purely your interpretation which you have every right to express.

 

[Stevicus]

Again, I think you have nailed it. Frankly, I think the more people try to tear down Trump, the more people will tend to gravitate to him (for right or wrong). It cements their position of "If they hate him so much, he must be doing something right".

I understood the reasons why many people hated Trump on an intellectual level, though I could never understand the intensity and zeal behind it, though it never seemed real or genuine. It was almost like it was all some sort of put on. They spread it on way too thick as to be unbelievable.

Here I would add that Fox is simply the balance to MSNBC and CNN with others. People saw those as agitators and so gravitated towards a voice that was different. Both sides, as I look at them, agitate people.

There's a traditional, historical difference between right-wing agitation and left-wing agitation. Right-wing agitation tends towards nationalism and atavistic ideals, whereas left-wing agitation has tended to be more class-based and progressive - except in recent times. The left-wing has shifted more towards identity politics, which is merely nationalism of a different stripe.

And then there are the political agitators on both sides. I think, basically, the days are gone where two political parties that actually wanted the best for the nations came together to reconcile the differences for the betterment of the nation. For our faith, our last hope is another revival like unto times past. Jesus Revolution was one of them. Of course, within context of my signature.

Much of the problem seems to stem from the notion of America being the so-called "leader of the free world," which makes it appear that the interventionists believe in putting the interests of other countries ahead of American interests. That's why they're being opposed by the "America Firsters," who believe that America's interests should come first and foremost.

Although, the matter probably never would have come up if the Powers That Be had minded the store and managed the economy better. What seems painfully obvious, despite whatever war of rhetoric goes on between right and left (and the shameful pretense that both parties are actually "different" from each other), the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer.

Agreed - I always wondered why they didn't release the tapes when the investigation started. It gave the impetus to the thought that it was a kangaroo court.

The lack of transparency in government has hurt America in innumerable ways. This has been a problem in the culture of government for longer than I've been alive.

Hope you have a great day!

Thanks, you too!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So they are not Socialists because I do know some Socialists and they are not liberal.

Yes. I also regard Socialists and Liberals as distinct groups.

Another quirk of American politics is that they tend to use Liberal/Leftist/Socialist/Communist as interchangeable or equivalent.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes. I also regard Socialists and Liberals as distinct groups.

Another quirk of American politics is that they tend to use Liberal/Leftist/Socialist/Communist as interchangeable or equivalent.

Exactly.
I give you an example.
We have a party that is considered the European branch of the Democratic Party overseas.
They admit it they are not socialists.

For instance there is the leader of the Italian Communist Party that really antagonizes them.

 

[Colt]

 

[metis]

Anyone with common sense would have known the Democrats were running another scam, after Pelosi removed two Republicans from the Jan 6 committee. They asked good questions, such why she did not accept the help before the riot happened? She replaced them with two Trump haters, who wanted to railroad Trump, and were willing to go along with the fiction and kangaroo count. Q'Anon was jailed as a special effect; add credibility, to make the con look more convincing. They did the same thing to many people during the Russian Collusion Coup; General Flynn.

Jan 6, was a protest to complain about how the election was not legitimate, since the Swamp had Twitter and Social Media was running Democrat censorship and interference; Hunter Biden Story. The Dems needed to create the illusion something sinister was happening from this protest, to cover their latest crimes. Once again they took the offense to force others on the defense, who were not pretend to be railroaded, for being innocent. I hope there are civil suits against the democrats leaders. Jail time would also be good.

You will eventually see is the Swamp FBI instigating the Capital invasion, to better fit the narrative. These characters were never rounded up even with video evidence. This video had been shown a fews day after Jan 6, but was later suppressed by social media after that. Google search even stopped linking. The fix was in. Let the new con begin.

As usual, you supply your opinion minus any objective links to supposedly prove your point.

 

[metis]

If what happened in Detroit had happened in my country, there would have been tens of detentions.
Who was jailed? Nobody was.

Nothing happened in Detroit that would have negatively affected the outcome of the election. I live here and followed election night on our local channels and nationally linked channels.

 

[Shaul]

Nope. You guys are always going on about Hillary's emails, Hunter Biden's emails, blah, blah. We've got clear-cut evidence in the form of e-mails and sworn testimony that Fox News has been knowingly and willfully lying to its viewers for years now. They are not a credible source of accurate information because they just make things up.

The source here is Tucker Carlson and Fox News. You do know that videos can be edited and manipulated, right?

What you have are allegations. Again. The source of the videos is Congress. The videos speak for themselves independent of anything Fox News does.

 

[metis]

Of corse what is wrong is wrong - and if Carlson gives false information, he should be brought to task but not at the expense of the rest of the story

WHEN are police supposed to escort a violator around and even test doors? If he is the only one in between 5+ policemen - WHY was he not handcuffed? Appearance says, and additional info supports, it was a contrived effort to let them do it!

This is 100% complete nonsense, and I am appalled that you are so willing to stoop to this low. You have the right and moral obligation to speak the Truth, and that Truth cannot be relative to someone's opinion, which that be yours, mine, or on Fox.

IOW, this is not just politics-- it's basic Judeo-Christian morality that's at stake here. Fox is not the Gospel, so you should decide which is more important to you.