Jehovah's Witness=Unbiblical Religion!

[Hockeycowboy]

The scriptures also speak of humans being a combination of body and spirit. (Genesis 2:7)

And what does Genesis 2:7 say?
“...the man became a living soul.” It doesn’t say Adam was given a soul.
We, as individual persons, are souls...and our soul — our person — dies....Ezekiel 18 4,20

Really?
"Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, 'Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?' And Jesus said, 'I am;

Oh goodness!
Yes, “he is’ the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One.

Who is the Blessed One? Not Jesus.

He is the One in the First of the 10 Commandments, in Exodus 20:1-5, who is the only One we should worship.
He is the “One” who sent Jesus & taught him the words to say....

John 3:1-2...”Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” “

(Please note, it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 3:16...”For God loved the world so much, that He gave His Only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him might not perish but have eternal life.”

(Again, it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 3:31-32...”The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.”

(Jesus is the Faithful Witness, not to himself, but to “what he has seen and heard.” From whom? YHWH, His Father, his God.)

John 3:34...”The one whom God has sent speaks God's words, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.”

(Once again, i must point out it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 4:23-24...”Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

(True worshipers worship who?)
(Jesus said “God is spirit.” He did not say “God is part flesh right now.”)

In the next two verses, at John 4:25-26, we read Jesus saying “Ego eimi” (I am) to being the Messiah. He did not imply he was God....”The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.” “




Keep in mind, these are just 2 chapters, from 1 Gospel....
I could quote more of the same from now till forever, showing that Jesus was not God.

If the Bible really wanted to support the idea that Jesus was on equal terms with his Father, it would have called them brothers.
But the designation “son”, by definition, implies a beginning. And Jesus is the “only-begotten.”

 

[Hockeycowboy]

”Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, 'Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?' And Jesus said, 'I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.' Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, 'What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?' And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death. Some began to spit at Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him with their fists, and to say to Him, 'Prophesy!' And the officers received Him with slaps in the face" (Mark 14:55-65).

You highlighted the wrong part...it was Jesus saying...
“..and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
...that caused the high priest to condemn him.
Why would Jesus say he was sitting “at the right hand of Power”? If Jesus were God, he would be the Power.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

@cataway
More people convert to Catholicism every year than Jehovah's witnesses, or any other Christian denomination by far!

Many people can see clearly that the Catholic Church is the only Church to date back to Christ, and was founded by Christ.

Jehovah's witness Denomination was founded, invented by a man.

Jesus said, " unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have no life in you. " He lost many followers over that teaching. He didn't call them back. People that rejected that teaching are like Jehovah's witnesses!

At every last supper account, he said "this is my body, this is my blood". That is not the language of symbolism.

Jehovah's witnesses changed his words to suit their agenda. They follow a different Gospel.

Paul in Scripture said that people eating the consecrated bread and wine, without discerning the body and blood of Christ, eat and drink condemnation on themselves.

Paul said receiving the body and blood of Christ unworthily, was causing people to be sick and die. If it was just blessed bread, symbolic bread, people would not die receiving it unworthily.

Jesus taught very severely, with grave extreme warning, as did Paul, about the importance of that sacred sacrament, that Jehovah's witnesses reject. If I was the Devil , I would want Jehovah's witnesses to lead people astray, and away from that sacrament!

Early Christians believed what the Catholic Church believes about the sacraments.

Jesus even gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins like Catholic priests do.

The Catholic Church is more Biblical than Jehovah's witnesses. It's one reason Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny little denomination, despite them going door to door to push their man made Religion.

Catholics don't need to go door to door, and the holy spirit leads more people into that Church founded by Christ, than 30,000 Protestant denominations combined! That speaks volumes!

Jehovah's witnesses are man made an unbiblical Religion. Catholic Church was founded by Christ!

There have been Witnesses for Jehovah since Abel.
Hebrews 11:4-39; Hebrews 12:1.

They worshipped Jehovah Psalms 83:18

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus told them He was equal to God and they understood Him.
They did not want to kill Him for claiming to be alive before Abraham was, there was no blasphemy in that. You know why they saw Him as blaspheming at that place, but you want to say it is because He claimed to be alive before Abraham was. It's a case of the WT mistranslating the scriptures again.

They knew if he was alive before Abraham he was God's SON. And that was - is - a very high position as the inheritor.

 

[YoursTrue]

@cataway
More people convert to Catholicism every year than Jehovah's witnesses, or any other Christian denomination by far!

Many people can see clearly that the Catholic Church is the only Church to date back to Christ, and was founded by Christ.

Jehovah's witness Denomination was founded, invented by a man.

Jesus said, " unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have no life in you. " He lost many followers over that teaching. He didn't call them back. People that rejected that teaching are like Jehovah's witnesses!

At every last supper account, he said "this is my body, this is my blood". That is not the language of symbolism.

Jehovah's witnesses changed his words to suit their agenda. They follow a different Gospel.

Paul in Scripture said that people eating the consecrated bread and wine, without discerning the body and blood of Christ, eat and drink condemnation on themselves.

Paul said receiving the body and blood of Christ unworthily, was causing people to be sick and die. If it was just blessed bread, symbolic bread, people would not die receiving it unworthily.

Jesus taught very severely, with grave extreme warning, as did Paul, about the importance of that sacred sacrament, that Jehovah's witnesses reject. If I was the Devil , I would want Jehovah's witnesses to lead people astray, and away from that sacrament!

Early Christians believed what the Catholic Church believes about the sacraments.

Jesus even gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins like Catholic priests do.

The Catholic Church is more Biblical than Jehovah's witnesses. It's one reason Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny little denomination, despite them going door to door to push their man made Religion.

Catholics don't need to go door to door, and the holy spirit leads more people into that Church founded by Christ, than 30,000 Protestant denominations combined! That speaks volumes!

Jehovah's witnesses are man made an unbiblical Religion. Catholic Church was founded by Christ!

I know many believe that. But it's not true. The church is founded on Jesus. To say otherwise is a complete distortion.

 

[Brian2]

You highlighted the wrong part...it was Jesus saying...
“..and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
...that caused the high priest to condemn him.
Why would Jesus say he was sitting “at the right hand of Power”? If Jesus were God, he would be the Power.

The Son is the Son and the Father is the Father. Pretty easy to understand.

 

[Brian2]

They knew if he was alive before Abraham he was God's SON. And that was - is - a very high position as the inheritor.

They certainly saw the Son as equal to His Father. That is the blasphemy that caused them to want to stone Jesus.

 

[cataway]

@cataway
More people convert to Catholicism every year than Jehovah's witnesses, or any other Christian denomination by far!

Many people can see clearly that the Catholic Church is the only Church to date back to Christ, and was founded by Christ.

Jehovah's witness Denomination was founded, invented by a man.

Jesus said, " unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have no life in you. " He lost many followers over that teaching. He didn't call them back. People that rejected that teaching are like Jehovah's witnesses!

At every last supper account, he said "this is my body, this is my blood". That is not the language of symbolism.

Jehovah's witnesses changed his words to suit their agenda. They follow a different Gospel.

Paul in Scripture said that people eating the consecrated bread and wine, without discerning the body and blood of Christ, eat and drink condemnation on themselves.

Paul said receiving the body and blood of Christ unworthily, was causing people to be sick and die. If it was just blessed bread, symbolic bread, people would not die receiving it unworthily.

Jesus taught very severely, with grave extreme warning, as did Paul, about the importance of that sacred sacrament, that Jehovah's witnesses reject. If I was the Devil , I would want Jehovah's witnesses to lead people astray, and away from that sacrament!

Early Christians believed what the Catholic Church believes about the sacraments.

Jesus even gave the Apostles the ability to forgive sins like Catholic priests do.

The Catholic Church is more Biblical than Jehovah's witnesses. It's one reason Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny little denomination, despite them going door to door to push their man made Religion.

Catholics don't need to go door to door, and the holy spirit leads more people into that Church founded by Christ, than 30,000 Protestant denominations combined! That speaks volumes!

Jehovah's witnesses are man made an unbiblical Religion. Catholic Church was founded by Christ!

i would like to explore your comment '' It's one reason Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny little denomination," what are the numbers you have in mined ?

 

[Wildswanderer]

And what does Genesis 2:7 say?
“...the man became a living soul.” It doesn’t say Adam was given a soul.
We, as individual persons, are souls...and our soul — our person — dies....Ezekiel 18 4,20



Oh goodness!
Yes, “he is’ the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One.

Who is the Blessed One? Not Jesus.

He is the One in the First of the 10 Commandments, in Exodus 20:1-5, who is the only One we should worship.
He is the “One” who sent Jesus & taught him the words to say....

John 3:1-2...”Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” “

(Please note, it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 3:16...”For God loved the world so much, that He gave His Only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him might not perish but have eternal life.”

(Again, it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 3:31-32...”The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.”

(Jesus is the Faithful Witness, not to himself, but to “what he has seen and heard.” From whom? YHWH, His Father, his God.)

John 3:34...”The one whom God has sent speaks God's words, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.”

(Once again, i must point out it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

John 4:23-24...”Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

(True worshipers worship who?)
(Jesus said “God is spirit.” He did not say “God is part flesh right now.”)

In the next two verses, at John 4:25-26, we read Jesus saying “Ego eimi” (I am) to being the Messiah. He did not imply he was God....”The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.” “




Keep in mind, these are just 2 chapters, from 1 Gospel....
I could quote more of the same from now till forever, showing that Jesus was not God.

If the Bible really wanted to support the idea that Jesus was on equal terms with his Father, it would have called them brothers.
But the designation “son”, by definition, implies a beginning. And Jesus is the “only-begotten.”

Hebrews 1:8

But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.

Colossians 2:9

For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 5:23

so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 10:33

The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

 

[Wildswanderer]

You highlighted the wrong part...it was Jesus saying...
“..and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
...that caused the high priest to condemn him.
Why would Jesus say he was sitting “at the right hand of Power”? If Jesus were God, he would be the Power.

Because Jesus took on human form.
1 Peter 3:22,

“(Jesus) Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities and powers having been subjected to him" – ESV
Wait, angels are subject to Jesus? Be the JW think he IS an angel, which is nowhere in scripture.

Hebrews 8:1

“Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven”

Part of Jesus' role in the God head is to be a priest on our behalf.

 

[Brian2]

And what does Genesis 2:7 say?
“...the man became a living soul.” It doesn’t say Adam was given a soul.
We, as individual persons, are souls...and our soul — our person — dies....Ezekiel 18 4,20

You know "soul" has more than one meaning in the scriptures and when it suites you use one of those other meanings but never use the other meaning of the spirit part of a human.
In Matt 10:28 Jesus said that when the body dies the soul does not and you have to explain it away even though in JW theology the soul certainly does die when the body dies.
At Gen 2:7 we can see that a human is more than a body and that we have a spirit.
The 2 combined become a living soul, which is the totality of the person.
When a person dies the totality of the person is the spirit part and that is then the soul, which can re-enter the body to bring it back to life. (see 1Kings 17:22)
When the body dies the soul is what goes to hades and can be called back up by God to speak with people again. (see the story of the witch of Endor, see the story of the transfiguration).
This spirit part of man is not just a life force, (see 1Cor 2:11, which also speaks of the Holy Spirit as more than just a force. In this regard see Romans 8:27)

He is the One in the First of the 10 Commandments, in Exodus 20:1-5, who is the only One we should worship.
He is the “One” who sent Jesus & taught him the words to say....

The Son is shown to be God also.

John 3:1-2...”Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” “

(Please note, it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

Of course he says "God".
The language is to make the Father and Son distinct in the NT.
The Father is the only true God because the Son and Spirit come from the Father.

(Jesus is the Faithful Witness, not to himself, but to “what he has seen and heard.” From whom? YHWH, His Father, his God.)

Jesus became a servant when He became a man (Phil 2) Jesus did not come in His own authority but was sent by the greatest authority, His Father, God.

John 3:34...”The one whom God has sent speaks God's words, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.”

Yes the man Jesus was given the Spirit without measure. There is one Spirit (Eph 4:4-6) and so the Spirit of God actually IS the Spirit of Christ in places like Romans 8:9-11 and the Spirit is the Lord, or as the NWT says, Jehovah. 2Cor 3:15-18

(Once again, i must point out it doesn’t say “the Father”; it says “God”)

That is interchangeable in the NT. So.?
Jesus also is called God in the NT but usually Lord is used to distinguish between the Father and Son.
If Jesus is our only Lord, does that mean that the Father is not our Lord?
Why do you then teach that the Father being the only God means that Jesus is not God, esp when Jesus is called our God in the NT. (eg John 20:28, Titus 2:13, John 1:18)

Keep in mind, these are just 2 chapters, from 1 Gospel....
I could quote more of the same from now till forever, showing that Jesus was not God.

It does not show Jesus was not God, Jesus came to bear witness to the Father and He did and what the Father gave Him to say and to the writers of the NT bears witness to whom Jesus is also. The Son glorifies the Father and the Father glorifies the Son.
All you are doing to pointing to the language used that distinguishes Jesus from His Father and shows the Son glorifying the Father. You are ignoring where the Father glorifies His Son.

If the Bible really wanted to support the idea that Jesus was on equal terms with his Father, it would have called them brothers.
But the designation “son”, by definition, implies a beginning. And Jesus is the “only-begotten.”

That sounds like rubbish to me. Jesus came to testify to the truth and the truth is that He is the Son because His Father is His source of life and He is in His Father.
It does not imply a beginning because it has always been this way. The Father has always been the Father and the Son has always been the Son.
Actually God's name "I am" points to the fact that God created time.
If time has always been in existence from infinity in the past then we cannot be at this point in time yet.
Jesus also says "I am" before Abraham was.
The Jews knew what He was saying and wanted to stone Him.

 

[Spiderman]

i would like to explore your comment '' It's one reason Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny little denomination," what are the numbers you have in mined ?

There are a little over 8 million Jehovah's witnesses. There are more than 1.329 billion Catholics.

A billion is one thousand million. That is a lot of millions compared to 8. It means that Jehovah's witnesses are such a small denomination, multiply them so that they are 125 times larger in numbers, and they are still quite a few million less people than the Catholic Church. That is tiny in comparison.

If I could be 125 times larger, and still be shorter than you by quite a bit, I would be so tiny, you could squish me with your foot!

That is what I mean!

 

[cataway]

There are a little over 8 million Jehovah's witnesses. There are more than 1.329 billion Catholics.

A billion is one thousand million. That is a lot of millions compared to 8. It means that Jehovah's witnesses are such a small denomination, multiply them so that they are 125 times larger in numbers, and they are still quite a few million less people than the Catholic Church. That is tiny in comparison.

If I could be 125 times larger, and still be shorter than you by quite a bit, I would be so tiny, you could squish me with your foot!

That is what I mean!

before you looked it up ,how many did you think there are ?

 

[Spiderman]

before you looked it up ,how many did you think there are ?

I would have guessed 5-10 million

 

[cataway]

There are a little over 8 million Jehovah's witnesses. There are more than 1.329 billion Catholics.

A billion is one thousand million. That is a lot of millions compared to 8. It means that Jehovah's witnesses are such a small denomination, multiply them so that they are 125 times larger in numbers, and they are still quite a few million less people than the Catholic Church. That is tiny in comparison.

If I could be 125 times larger, and still be shorter than you by quite a bit, I would be so tiny, you could squish me with your foot!

That is what I mean!

and of that 1.329 billion only 39% even bother to attend mass .that BTW is a sad number .

 

[Spiderman]

and of that 1.329 billion only 39% even bother to attend mass .that BTW is a sad number .

They attend certain times, just not every week. I tried to attend almost every day when I can.

 

[Spiderman]

and of that 1.329 billion only 39% even bother to attend mass .that BTW is a sad number .

Still far larger than Jehovah's witnesses.

Also, many attend daily Mass as well.

I've known Jehovah's witnesses in jail that don't follow their faith as well.

 

[cataway]

Still far larger than Jehovah's witnesses.

Also, many attend daily Mass as well.

I've known Jehovah's witnesses in jail that don't follow their faith as well.

Matthew 24:
4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. "

might does not make right

 

[Spiderman]

Matthew 24:
4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. "

might does not make right

Christ still built a visible institution, a Church that he promised the gates of hell would not prevail against!

The early Christians believed in the sacraments, and were not Jehovah's witnesses!

 

[cataway]

Christ still built a visible institution, a Church that he promised the gates of hell would not prevail against!

The early Christians believed in the sacraments, and were not Jehovah's witnesses!

ISAIAH 43:10

You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and have faith in me
And understand that I am the same One.
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.
11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
When there was no foreign god among you.
So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.