Jehovah's Witness=Unbiblical Religion!

[Spiderman]

@Spiderman , how come you can’t honestly answer my questions, without being rude?!

Is it because you really know the answers, but hate reaching those conclusions? You hate where the answers lead you?

Actually, these questions weren’t even addressed to you.

For Christians? Where?


And what was the outcome? What point was Jesus making? Answer me, please. What did Jesus say afterwards? “All those who take the sword will…”.. what?

Be honest.

As I said, the Bible contradicts itself in many places, saying the opposite in one place that it says in the other.

The Bible was never intended to be the sole and final rule of authority on anything. Jesus Christ did not leave the early Christians with a bible, he left them with a church.

I most certainly know without doubt that the Jehovah's witnesses are a false man-made religion. Jesus Christ built a church in the first century, and promised the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

That doesn't mean there's not going to be great sinners and evil people within the church, or that the church hierarchy is not going to be without scandal.

The church hierarchy had scandal even in the times of the scriptures. But the bottom line is, the Bible was never supposed to be the final authority on anything, the Bible makes it very clear that it is not the final authority on anything , and that people twist it to their own destruction.

Jesus Christ said " listen to the church." He didn't say read the Bible or follow the Bible as your final authority on anything.

because the Bible is full of illustrations, parables, poetry, hyperbole, gross exaggerations, and language that doesn't mean what it says, or it's lost its meaning in translation, or lost its meaning due to cultural context or other factors, the Bible is a terrible guide to be basing your theology or all of your religion on.

Besides, Jehovah's witnesses deny a lot of scripture, or explain away the verses that do not suit their agenda.

The scriptures are one leg to hold up a chair, figuratively speaking. The scriptures are necessary to be complete. Scripture is inspired by god. But there's a lot of things that are inspired by God other than scripture, as well as the church, and church councils.

There needs to be an authority outside of scripture, to settle disputes about the correct interpretation of scripture. That is why Jesus established a church.

The Holy Spirit he promised would guide the church. For many centuries there was only one Church on the face of the earth.

Protestantism did not come into existence until the 16th century. Jehovah's witnesses were not invented by man until the 19th century. The first Christians were not Bible christians. So I know with certainty Jehovah's witnesses are a false religion!

 

[YoursTrue]

Even though I disagree with their "my way or the highway" approach, nevertheless they are Christians. Jesus' main teaching was love of God and neighbor, and they do teach that.

Awww..that made me smile in a nice way. (Although we do have differences.) But I'm still smiling.

 

[Spiderman]

and i suppose you believe the 'apostles creed' was actually written by Jesus 12 apostles hey?

It was defined under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, by the Church that Christ founded on the rock!

Let me ask you, how do you know that you have the correct New Testament Canon?

There were a lot of holy writings about Jesus Christ that never made it into that canon. It was the Catholic church that decided which books belonged in that canon, and which did not.

The Bible doesn't say which books belong in the New Testament canon. So even you yourself believe the church was under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they made that decision.

Therefore , to a certain extent, you believe in church authority. And you accept it.

 

[Spiderman]

Congratulations on staying sober for a while. It's possible to do it long-term.
It doesn't matter particularly what you or anyone would prefer. You said, "and charitable, or be replaced by a person or spirit, who is generous, charitable, kind, humble, not narcissistic, who is gentle, merciful, who will relieve pain and suffering, feed the hungry, enlighten the confused, make earth a happy place, give all who seek it wisdom, truth, and understanding." Or replaced?? you say? By the way, in conjunction with this point, are you or are you not in communication with the spirits. And congratulations on getting off illegal drugs -- it's not an always easy road. Hope you keep it up -- when discussing religious topics, it's best to try and be (1) sober and (2) clear and (3) willing to be fair and learn. No one can fight against God and win. No one. Not you. Not me. Not the Devil. Not anyone. And God DOES promise a wonderful new earth where all the good qualities will be abundant and no misery will be anymore. Do you have a Bible? If so -- you might try and read Revelation chapter 21, verses 1-5. I won't go any further now because I could say more, however, I'll let you dwell on tihs.

Sorry, but you speak unbiblical falsehood. You said nobody can fight with God and win. My surname is an alternative for jacob, and in scripture, it says of jacob, "you have fought with god, and you have fought with man, and you have one". His name was changed to Israel, which means, "one who fights with God."

I sometimes ask God to pass a message on to the souls in heaven. I don't summon Spirits or practice spiritism or hold seances. I don't dabble in the occult.

Jesus was seen with Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration on Mount tabor. Jesus spoke of the rich man burning in Hades, and asking Abraham If Abraham would put cold water on his tongue, or permit Lazarus to do so. Lazarus was taken to Abraham's bosom.

Saul, his spirit, told , or rather, was told by Samuel, that he would shortly be joining him in the world of the dead, and shortly he did just that.

The Book of Revelation speaks of a sign in the sky, a woman standing on the moon, clothed with the Sun, on her head a crown of 12 stars, who battles the dragon, and she is the mother of those who keep the commandments of god.

Scripture says Mary is the mother of the lord, "who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me", is the words of elizabeth, scripture says she is full of grace, blessed among women, and scripture says" all generations shall call Mary blessed". The Catholics actually do that. Do you?

The Book of Revelation talks about the martyrs interceding for the souls on Earth. Scripture says we are one body in christ, all of us branches connected to the true Vine that is christ. If a person dies, they do not cease to be a member of the body of christ.

Jesus said that those who believe in him, even if they die, they live. Jesus said of a dead man, to his sister, "your brother lives".

Also, not everything has to be in scripture to be true. In fact scripture makes that very clear, that there are a lot of truths, a lot of things Jesus said, and a lot of things Jesus did, that are not in scripture, and not even written down, and the Bible says that.

It was every Christian Church on the face of the Earth for over 1500 years, that believed in the communion of saints, and we are connected to the souls in heaven, and that they pray and intercede for us.

If it was such an offensive thing, Jesus Christ would have raised up a Christian Church on Earth before the 16th century to condemn such a practice.

The scripture says we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Scripture says that Jesus descended to the dead, to preach to the souls in prison, and was talking about souls who had left their bodies behind and were in the world of the Dead.

. But the Bible is not supposed to be the final authority on anything, and nowhere in the Bible does it say the Bible is to be the final authority on anything.

 

[YoursTrue]

It was defined under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, by the Church that Christ founded on the rock!

Let me ask you, how do you know that you have the correct New Testament Canon?

There were a lot of holy writings about Jesus Christ that never made it into that canon. It was the Catholic church that decided which books belonged in that canon, and which did not.

The Bible doesn't say which books belong in the New Testament canon. So even you yourself believe the church was under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they made that decision.

Therefore , to a certain extent, you believe in church authority. And you accept it.

I'm not going to answer all of your points here, only the one about the Bible canon. So let's go over a point or two as a beginning regarding what is the Bible "canon." OK?
Originally the reed (Hebrew qaneh) was used as a rule or measuring device. That's where the word 'canon' comes from--measuring unit.) Thus the term Bible canon came to denote the catalog of inspired books worthy of being used as a straightedge in measuring faith, doctrine, and conduct. (That's a beginning...hopefully we can keep this structured so we can talk about it. )

 

[Spiderman]

So you think the protestant churches just don't know what they're talking about?.

On that issue they don't

 

[Spiderman]

Protestants get their Bible from the Catholic Church. The Bible doesn't say to make sure everything you believe comes from the Bible.

The Bible is a Catholic book. Jesus didn't leave the early Church with a Bible.

Jesus said "listen to the Church". He never said reading the Bible is important. I win.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Protestants get their Bible from the Catholic Church. The Bible doesn't say to make sure everything you believe comes from the Bible.

The Bible is a Catholic book. Jesus didn't leave the early Church with a Bible.

Jesus said "listen to the Church". He never said reading the Bible is important. I win.

Was not Jesus the "church" ?
And the bible was written down some years after his passing if I remember correctly. So Jesus did not use the bible..not catholic or protestand bible...

 

[Spiderman]

Was not Jesus the "church" ?
And the bible was written down some years after his passing if I remember correctly. So Jesus did not use the bible..not catholic or protestand bible...

The Catholic Church decided which books would be in the first Christian Bible. It was Catholic monks who printed new Bibles, and the Catholic Church protected, preached, and preserved the Bible for centuries.

Protestantism began with a Catholic priest.

Jesus said he would build his Church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Only the Catholic Church dates back to Christ.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The Catholic Church decided which books would be in the first Christian Bible. It was Catholic monks who printed new Bibles, and the Catholic Church protected, preached, and preserved the Bible for centuries.

Protestantism began with a Catholic priest.

Jesus said he would build his Church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Only the Catholic Church dates back to Christ.

Yes the man was named Martin Luther....teacher and a monk

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, but you speak unbiblical falsehood. You said nobody can fight with God and win. My surname is an alternative for jacob, and in scripture, it says of jacob, "you have fought with god, and you have fought with man, and you have one". His name was changed to Israel, which means, "one who fights with God."

I sometimes ask God to pass a message on to the souls in heaven. I don't summon Spirits or practice spiritism or hold seances. I don't dabble in the occult.

Jesus was seen with Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration on Mount tabor. Jesus spoke of the rich man burning in Hades, and asking Abraham If Abraham would put cold water on his tongue, or permit Lazarus to do so. Lazarus was taken to Abraham's bosom.

Saul, his spirit, told , or rather, was told by Samuel, that he would shortly be joining him in the world of the dead, and shortly he did just that.

The Book of Revelation speaks of a sign in the sky, a woman standing on the moon, clothed with the Sun, on her head a crown of 12 stars, who battles the dragon, and she is the mother of those who keep the commandments of god.

Scripture says Mary is the mother of the lord, "who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me", is the words of elizabeth, scripture says she is full of grace, blessed among women, and scripture says" all generations shall call Mary blessed". The Catholics actually do that. Do you?

The Book of Revelation talks about the martyrs interceding for the souls on Earth. Scripture says we are one body in christ, all of us branches connected to the true Vine that is christ. If a person dies, they do not cease to be a member of the body of christ.

Jesus said that those who believe in him, even if they die, they live. Jesus said of a dead man, to his sister, "your brother lives".

Also, not everything has to be in scripture to be true. In fact scripture makes that very clear, that there are a lot of truths, a lot of things Jesus said, and a lot of things Jesus did, that are not in scripture, and not even written down, and the Bible says that.

It was every Christian Church on the face of the Earth for over 1500 years, that believed in the communion of saints, and we are connected to the souls in heaven, and that they pray and intercede for us.

If it was such an offensive thing, Jesus Christ would have raised up a Christian Church on Earth before the 16th century to condemn such a practice.

The scripture says we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Scripture says that Jesus descended to the dead, to preach to the souls in prison, and was talking about souls who had left their bodies behind and were in the world of the Dead.

. But the Bible is not supposed to be the final authority on anything, and nowhere in the Bible does it say the Bible is to be the final authority on anything.

Jacob had a limp after that, didn't he? You're bringing up many points here -- one thing at a time.
Jacob did not "defeat God. He proved himself victorious in his desire to obtain God's blessing. There's another point here but perhaps later.
He did not defeat a powerful angel of God--or God. He had blessings from God before that. It was because of God’s purpose and permission that he was allowed to contend with the angel, Jacob showed great appreciation of his need of God’s blessing. Notice Genesis 32:28: "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed."
It doesn't mean he won over God. God blessed him for his perseverance or striving with God. But he limped after that. (There's more but I'll leave it at that for now.)

 

[YoursTrue]

The Catholic Church decided which books would be in the first Christian Bible. It was Catholic monks who printed new Bibles, and the Catholic Church protected, preached, and preserved the Bible for centuries.

Protestantism began with a Catholic priest.

Jesus said he would build his Church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Only the Catholic Church dates back to Christ.

Later... have a nice day, keep God in mind and stay off illegal drugs.

 

[2ndpillar]

Was not Jesus the "church" ?
And the bible was written down some years after his passing if I remember correctly. So Jesus did not use the bible..not catholic or protestand bible...

Yeshua quoted from the "Word of God", the Law and the prophets. He disparaged the Pharisees as hypocrites. The Pharisee of Pharisees would be the false prophet Paul. The "church" is to be the "tabernacle" of the Spirit of God, which in the kingdom of God, which will be comprised of the combined "sticks" of Judah and Ephraim/Israel, on the land given to Jacob, with a new heart and a new spirit, under the leadership of king David (Ezekiel 37:22-28). It is now composed of those who have came out of "her"/Babylon, and have the anointing, "keep the commandment of God and hold to the testimony of Yeshua" (Revelation12:17). On the other hand, those with the mark of the beast, followers of the doctrines of the Roman church of the beast Constantine, they will drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10)

 

[Spiderman]

Jacob had a limp after that, didn't he? You're bringing up many points here -- one thing at a time.
Jacob did not "defeat God. He proved himself victorious in his desire to obtain God's blessing. There's another point here but perhaps later.
He did not defeat a powerful angel of God--or God. He had blessings from God before that. It was because of God’s purpose and permission that he was allowed to contend with the angel, Jacob showed great appreciation of his need of God’s blessing. Notice Genesis 32:28: "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed."
It doesn't mean he won over God. God blessed him for his perseverance or striving with God. But he limped after that. (There's more but I'll leave it at that for now.)

"Striven" is a faulty interpretation, and you love to twist scripture.

Jehovah's witnesses changed scripture.

Scripture says "you have fought with God and won". Israel means "one who fights with God, contender with God"!

 

[Wildswanderer]

IN "Those books" it does say it's good to pray for the dead. That could change some Protestant views. Or practices.

No it doesn't. One guy in one story prays for his dead soldiers. It doesn't say whether that was a good or bad thing... And it sure doesn't give any basis for a doctrine of purgatory.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's actually not off topic, since it's considered what Jehovah's Witnesses believe or don't believe. And since it's been said that Protestants "ripped" those books out of the Bible then how do you explain that? It's open for discussion of belief.

It seems to me that the JWs just rewrite verses they don't like. Like I said, those extra Catholic books don't deal with doctrine. That's not true of the changes that the JWs made.

 

[savagewind]

As you all know I attended a JW meeting today.

I would like to share this video I made for JW pastors , and let them know how Unbiblical they are , and share them some of my good news!

Please let me know what I should add to it. Thank you!

Do you feel JW are a Biblical Religion? Their whole foundation is totally not supported anywhere in Scripture!

Do you think Jehovah's witnesses are Christians? They deny the Trinity and reject the cross!

First of all, it is my opinion that only Jews are Biblical anything.

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are presently sinning against the Word of God's path of righteousness.

I am sorry. I did not watch the video. Should I?

 

[savagewind]

Here it goes. I tried to watch it. But, I think I can't! I think that you are right. So far.

I believe that the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong. I have no doubt about it. But, that does not mean the JW people are wrong.

 

[oldbadger]

Do you feel JW are a Biblical Religion? Their whole foundation is totally not supported anywhere in Scripture!

Do you think Jehovah's witnesses are Christians? They deny the Trinity and reject the cross!

Yes, I think JWs are Christians because they attend communion each year.
Yes, Since I think that the Trinity is totally illogical , then I think that the JWs are sensible in being Unitarian.
Yes, I think the JWs are very well educated in the Bible .
No, I don't think that JWs reject the cross, they simply think that executions took place on stakes rather than crosses. Christians have certainly got the crucifixion wrong, every time they wrap a nice neet cloth around Jesus's middle.... so no accuracy there!

 

[Spiderman]

First of all, it is my opinion that only Jews are Biblical anything.

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are presently sinning against the Word of God's path of righteousness.

I am sorry. I did not watch the video. Should I?

You might get something out of the video. It contains some content you probably haven't seen elsewhere.