Jehovah's Witnesses Knocked on My Door

[Super Universe]

Oh did you? Ah yes - I see! Your obvious misconception has now become true by virtue of mindless repetition in the face of clear expositions of contrary facts!

I'm not writing all that down again. You can go back and re-read every page of the topic.

 

[siti]

I'm not writing all that down again. You can go back and re-read every page of the topic.

Ha Ha! I did and it was very amusing. Especially the one about the ardent fundamentalist who tried preaching to the village idiot. Very funny! LMFAO!

 

[hughwatt]

Some of the quotes have the biblical reference in parenthesis as if to admit that this is not the word for word version and that it is their interpretation. Some of the quotes do not have the parenthesis and are still very changed.

When you change a biblical quote on purpose and provide a bible reference for that changed quote, that is called lying.

If you want to post a biblical quote and THEN give your Jehovah's Witness interpretation of it, that is fine, but purposely changing quotes to make the bible say what you WANT it to mean is dishonest.

As with such groups the WT witness expresses what the leadership tell them to say. If they begin to think for themselves the psychological battle of believing what their intelligence is saying gives way to family ties and community.

I had an opportunity to spend some time with one such person a while back and for all the questions which could not be refuted adequately with any fair sense of reply, it was admitted by him that though he had no answer to what was asked of the WT misinterpretation of even the NWT, he said, in so many words, he was not going to give up believing what they taught.

 

[Super Universe]

As with such groups the WT witness expresses what the leadership tell them to say. If they begin to think for themselves the psychological battle of believing what their intelligence is saying gives way to family ties and community.

I had an opportunity to spend some time with one such person a while back and for all the questions which could not be refuted adequately with any fair sense of reply, it was admitted by him that though he had no answer to what was asked of the WT misinterpretation of even the NWT, he said, in so many words, he was not going to give up believing what they taught.

Some people need religion because there has to be something better after this.

That is the only way they can go on with their life.

 

[hughwatt]

Some people need religion because there has to be something better after this.

That is the only way they can go on with their life.

That's the problem right there; religion. Thankfully I don't have religion. I have Christ.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I think the bible was translated to English without consideration to current relevance or to gain more followers? Of course it was translated into English to gain more followers. I have no problem with translation, my problem is with purposely changing it and still going around saying "It's the word of God!"

Was the bible translated to English without consideration to current relevance? You're suggesting that when the bible was translated from Greek to English things were added. I will look at your evidence if you can provide it. Also, I don't know when the bible was first translated to English but it must have been hundreds of years ago so if any "current relevance" was added it's hundreds of years old.

You're missing my point. The whole reason for translation was to give it "current relevance'".

 

[Deeje]

That's the problem right there; religion. Thankfully I don't have religion. I have Christ.

Funny....Jesus had a religion. Are you the same religion as he was?

Just wondering.....

 

[12jtartar]

There are different interpretations of scripture? That's fine. They can say "We think this says this." They can interpret all they want but when you give a biblical reference and people check the biblical reference and it is different, that is lying.

It's no different than Christians who cherry pick? But the Christians who cherry pick are saying "We like these parts and not these other parts," while the JW's are changing the parts they don't like to make them more reflective of JW beliefs.

Super Universe,
The Holy Scriptures are Univocal, they all are part of one truth. God, Himself said that He will protect His words from all generations, Psalms 12:6,7. There is no reason for a person not to know God’s truth, because many Bibles translate a few things differently, when all you have to do is compare several translations, to find what God’s message to mankind is.
I don’t exactly understand what you mean by Cherry Pick. The truth is; the Bible is not written like a novel where everything about one subject can be found in one place. The Bible is written in a way that ONLY God can write, so that babes can understand His word, but wise and intellectual one CANNOT, Matthew 11:25,26. The Bible tells us that we must search for truth, just as someone might search for silver or gold, Proverbs 2:1-10. Jesus said that we must be like a young child, who wants to know things, and is humble enough to listen and learn, Matthew 18:1-4.
We must also pray to God for His Holy Spirit, so that we can understand the deep things of God. You see, it is the HEART that makes the difference whether a person can understand or not, Matthew 13:10-15. Wicked or Evil ones cannot understand God’s word, Daniel 12:9,10, Isaiah 26:10, Mark 7:20-23.

 

[savagewind]

Funny....Jesus had a religion. Are you the same religion as he was?

Just wondering.....

I don't understand this. The religion Jesus "had" was one which a person had to be born into.
Also, you speak of Jesus in the past tense. Is he not with you now?

 

[savagewind]

Funny....Jesus had a religion. Are you the same religion as he was?

Just wondering.....

I have to wonder if the devil made you say that because I can't remember a stupider comment I've heard, (though I may have posted something stupider, but if I did, it was all me)
I mean us @Jayhawker Soule (I am still laughing and that one was the best joke still).

 

[hughwatt]

Funny....Jesus had a religion. Are you the same religion as he was?

Just wondering.....

Jesus had relationship. That's why He called God His Father.

 

[savagewind]

Funny....Jesus had a religion. Are you the same religion as he was?

Just wondering.....

The religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses is The Watchtower. Rubbish, yes, but you can't honestly deny that.

Now Jesus. I know you know his religion wasn't that. I don't know how to say it right, but he was Jewish. That was his religion. Wasn't it?

 

[12jtartar]

Wouldn't a christian who already believes god exists be reading it from a biased perspective, however?

Probably the only true objective reading would come from one who did not have a belief in god nor a disbelief in god.

Mister Silver,
Translating the Bible is a very difficult project. Not only do you have to have a very good understanding of the language, but because many languages are like English, you also must understand what God’s PURPOSE is, because many words can be correctly translated, and still not say what the true message from God is. This is because a translator must know which translation is correct for the TEXT, because many words have several different meanings, and to be accurate the translator must know which meaning fits this particular place. The only way is to understand God’s purpose, for the earth and mankind.
Let me give you just one example. Consider Hebrews 1:6, where almost all Bibles say; let all the angels of God worship him, meaning Jesus. These translations are inaccurate here, because the word used Here in Greek, can mean, either worship, or obeisance. It is up to the translator to use the correct interpretation. Here obeisance should be used, because the Bible is very clear, that ONLY God is to be worshiped, Exodus 20:4,5, 34:14, Matthew 4:8-10, Revelation 22:9. This example is just one of many in the Holy Scriptures. Agape!!!

 

[hughwatt]

Let me give you just one example. Consider Hebrews 1:6, where almost all Bibles say; let all the angels of God worship him, meaning Jesus. These translations are inaccurate here, because the word used Here in Greek, can mean, either worship, or obeisance. It is up to the translator to use the correct interpretation. Here obeisance should be used, because the Bible is very clear, that ONLY God is to be worshiped, Exodus 20:4,5, 34:14, Matthew 4:8-10, Revelation 22:9. This example is just one of many in the Holy Scriptures. Agape!!!

This is the WT bias coming out here.To start with a doctrine which denies the Trinity then publish the NWT to reflect that is not being fair to the reader.

 

[Super Universe]

Super Universe,
The Holy Scriptures are Univocal, they all are part of one truth. God, Himself said that He will protect His words from all generations, Psalms 12:6,7. There is no reason for a person not to know God’s truth, because many Bibles translate a few things differently, when all you have to do is compare several translations, to find what God’s message to mankind is.
I don’t exactly understand what you mean by Cherry Pick. The truth is; the Bible is not written like a novel where everything about one subject can be found in one place. The Bible is written in a way that ONLY God can write, so that babes can understand His word, but wise and intellectual one CANNOT, Matthew 11:25,26. The Bible tells us that we must search for truth, just as someone might search for silver or gold, Proverbs 2:1-10. Jesus said that we must be like a young child, who wants to know things, and is humble enough to listen and learn, Matthew 18:1-4.
We must also pray to God for His Holy Spirit, so that we can understand the deep things of God. You see, it is the HEART that makes the difference whether a person can understand or not, Matthew 13:10-15. Wicked or Evil ones cannot understand God’s word, Daniel 12:9,10, Isaiah 26:10, Mark 7:20-23.

God Himself said that He will protect His words from all generations? People are changing the words all the time. Liberal people have even come up with a New Living Translation that changes many things. Where is the protection?

There is no reason for a person not to know the truth? Written by an ignorant human who did not know that "fireballs from heaven" were really meteors or that when the ground shakes it's not an angry God it's plate tectonics.

All you have to do is compare several bibles to find out what God's message to mankind is? More like primitive humans ideas about God who is way beyond their ability to comprehend.

You don't understand the term "cherry pick?" It means to believe and follow some things but not other things in the bible.

It is babes and the heart that understand God's word? Okay, get your baby to explain why the OT says an eye for an eye and the NT says to forgive. Which is it? Also, why does God want money, it says "You shall pay me a ransom on the census." Also, what does all the Revelations stuff about 144,000 mean and twelve dragons and all the seals mean?

 

[savagewind]

The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that bad associations spoil useful habits means that some people have the power over others to bring to ruin their usefulness.

Then they have Jesus riding with Earth's three most terrible bad associations. War, famine, and death.

 

[12jtartar]

Wouldn't a christian who already believes god exists be reading it from a biased perspective, however?

Probably the only true objective reading would come from one who did not have a belief in god nor a disbelief in god.

Mister Silver,
Translating the Bible is a very difficult project. Not only do you have to have a very good understanding of the language, but because many languages are like English, you also must understand what God’s PURPOSE is, because many words can be correctly translated, and still not say what the true message from God is. This is because a translator must know which translation is correct for the TEXT, because many words have several different meanings, and to be accurate the translator must know which meaning fits this particular place. The only way is to understand God’s purpose, for the earth and mankind.
Let me give you just one example. Consider Hebrews 1:6, where almost all Bibles say; let all the angels of God worship him, meaning Jesus. These translations are inaccurate here, because the word used Here in Greek, can mean, either worship, or obeisance. It is up to the translator to use the correct interpretation. Here obeisance should be used, because the Bible is very clear, that ONLY God is to be worshiped, Exodus 20:4,5, 34:14, Matthew 4:8-10, Revelation 22:9. This example is just one of many in the Holy Scriptures. Agape!!!

 

[Deeje]

Jesus had relationship. That's why He called God His Father.

Jesus was Jewish by birth (nationality) and by religion (under Jewish law) so Jesus practiced his religion by attending religious services where God's word was read to his people. He called God his Father, but when he taught his disciples to pray, he addressed his God as "Our Father". We can all call God our Father.

So what "religion" are you?
Today, Christendom is fractured into more fragments than a broken bottle. To identify yourself as a "Christian" is therefore pretty meaningless these days. Everything it seems, needs a 'brand'....even if it is to distinguish itself from all the other 'brands' selling the same 'product'.

This is the WT bias coming out here.To start with a doctrine which denies the Trinity then publish the NWT to reflect that is not being fair to the reader.

When you expose the false teaching of the trinity for what it is, a blasphemous lie adopted by Christendom long after the death of Jesus, you can see clearly that the first commandment is broken by this false doctrine. (Exodus 20:3) There is no trinity in the OT because Jews worshipped one God, (Deuteronomy 6:4).....not three gods squeezed into one head. Trinities are found in many religions in paganism however.

When you put Jesus in place of the Father, you make him cringe because he never once claimed to be God, nor did he ever claim any kind of equality with him. He is identified as God's son and also his "servant". (Acts 3:13; Acts 4:27-30) Can God be a servant of himself? Can God worship himself? How many times does the resurrected Jesus (who is in heaven) call his Father "my God" in Revelation 3:12?

You have been misled. Please be aware that when Jesus began his ministry, he was viewed in much the same way that JW's are viewed today. He exposed the false teaching and traditions of the Pharisees who were viewed as the leaders of Christendom are viewed today. We expose the false teachings of Christendom, who went down exactly the same path as Judaism, substituting man-made traditions for God's word. It makes us very unpopular....but its what we were told to expect. (John 15:18-21)

If you take your information about us from our opposers, then like Jesus and his disciples in the religious climate of the first century, you will not be getting an unbiased view of anything. Its all going to sound damning.....its twisted half truths and lies. It worked in the first century and its working again, but only on the unbelievers. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4) The devil can't fool everyone.

Ask you questions and make your statements from an informed perspective, by listening to both sides. I was on your side of the fence once.....I can assure you that I was as confident as you are about how wrong JW's were....but one day I actually listened, and what they said made more sense than anything I ever learned in 20 years in a church. Perhaps you might like to try that instead of just firing bullets manufactured by someone else? Hearing only one side of a story is not a good platform for making decisions about anything.

 

[savagewind]

If something is true it can't be made untrue just because the person sharing it has no respect.

I mean gets no respect.

 

[Deeje]

The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that bad associations spoil useful habits means that some people have the power over others to bring to ruin their usefulness.

It is actually the Bible that teaches that....1 Corinthians 15:33....verse 34 is also interesting.
"Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. 34 Come to your senses in a righteous way and do not practice sin, for some have no knowledge of God. I am speaking to move you to shame."

It means that some people have the ability to lead others into a wrong course. The weaker ones among us can be easily influenced by the words and actions others....the devil counts on it. We can be misled.

Your attempts to slander JW's always seem to backfire on you. Do you wonder why?

Your obsession I believe is born out of a fear that we might be right. If we are, then where does that leave someone who continually slanders people they don't even know? What if the GB are appointed by Jesus to feed their fellow servants? What becomes of those who openly oppose Christ's brothers?
You know what the Bible says.....

Then they have Jesus riding with Earth's three most terrible bad associations. War, famine, and death.

You make a statement like this and wonder why I say you were never a JW?

What a pathetic attempt to paint a completely distorted picture. The ride of the "horsemen" is a prophesy about the last days. It begins with the rider on the white horse who pictures Jesus as king. He rides first, meaning that he has been "given all authority" to rule and to carry out his pledge to be "with" his disciples "all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." (Matthew 28:19-20) He is overseeing the preaching that he commanded to be done before "the end" of this world system, ruled by the devil. (Matthew 24:14; 1 John 5:19)

What was to happen in these last days?.....
Behind Jesus comes a horse the color of fire, whose rider takes peace away from all the earth. This is the first sign Jesus gave to indicate that his rule had begun.....unprecedented warfare. (Matthew 24:6-8)
Can anyone deny that there is no peace on earth and hasn't been for a very long time? Are things getting better?....or worse by the day? A greater tribulation is foretold that will leave any previous conflict among men to pale into insignificance. (Matthew 24:21)

The red horse is followed a third one, a black horse, carrying a rider who holds a pair of scales as an indication that a lack of basic foodstuffs was also going to be a feature of these last days.
Famine, malnutrition and starvation take millions of lives (especially children) every year, even though the earth can produce enough food for all....selfish humans refuse to share it.

The fourth horse is a sickly pale color, picturing disease and other lethal threats, ridden by Death itself. And the Grave, the common grave of mankind, follows closely, reaping a terrible harvest of human lives. (Revelation 6:1-8) How many painful and lingering deaths can people endure? The suffering of humanity under human rulership is appalling....but predicted.

Your woeful interpretation and ridiculous inference should make you 'ashamed' of the rubbish you post.