FearGod
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What history, you're seeing Israel as an angel, while even the UN accused them of war crimes.
UN charges Israel with war crimes — is the US next?
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What history, you're seeing Israel as an angel, while even the UN accused them of war crimes.
UN charges Israel with war crimes — is the US next?
Actually you can't and haven't debunked any of the statements above.
rosends
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There was a was in 1947/8 in which Arab nations, after refusing partition, attempted to take ALL of the historic Palestine Mandate and failed. Muslim countries again tried to take all of the Israel in 1967, and failed. There are Israelis who rightly point out that pre-1948, the term "Palestinian" often applied to the Jews who lived in the mandate and that there has been a Jewish presence there continuously for 3000 years, even when outside observers saw very little other population. There are historians who point out that there never was a country called Palestine and that the Arabs, historically, considered the land part of Syria and the people, often from Jordan, Egypt and other countries.
Prior to Israel's being created (in the same way that Jordan was, among other countries) there were pogroms in the mideast and elsewhere, there was dhimmi status and there were massacres. Was there also a Golden Era in Spain? Sure. And aren't Muslim Arabs serving in the highest echelons of Israeli government? Sure.
Prior to Israel's being created (in the same way that Jordan was, among other countries) there were pogroms in the mideast and elsewhere, there was dhimmi status and there were massacres. Was there also a Golden Era in Spain? Sure. And aren't Muslim Arabs serving in the highest echelons of Israeli government? Sure.
I live in California so I am a Californian, that does not mean California is a country, Palestinians lived in Palestine for over a thousand years, whether they had a country called Palestine is immaterial, they are still Palestinian, and in 1900 over 90% of Palestinians were Muslims not Jews, try to distinguish lies from the facts.
rosends
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California is a state. It is incorporated as one, with a government etc. What is interesting is that it is a state in a sovereign nation, the USA. Palestine was a mandate of a sovereign nation -- England. So your parallel simply reinforces that there was never any nation called "Palestine". Well done.
In terms of numbers, actually, census numbers show a number closer to 87 percent by 1915 if your claim is about Muslims. I'm sure some of those were the ones who massacred Jews in Hebron or were part of the attack on Tel Hai (you know...back when things were oh so peaceful for Jews in the land). In terms of population, they were all Palestinians by your definition, so the Jews cannot be said to have taken Palestinian land. They were already there. Of course, this is as useful as talking about North American land and North Americans while the land was governed by England or France or Spain.
FearGod
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Palestine was a part of the Arab world, division of the Arab world was made by the Colonizers and they brought the Jews
to Palestine from Europe (their homeland) and they stole the lands of the Palestinians.
Palestine to the Arab world was as California to the USA.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Wow...you pack so many bits of nonsense into such a short post. The efficiency is commendable.
Palestine was not part of the Arab world. The region, after being taken from the Jews was subject to dominion by a variety of outside forces, leading up to the Ottomans and then the British. The "colonizers" actually set up a number of mandates (http://www.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/the_west/mandates_map.html) and the Jews were already there. The Jews never left completely. Europe was not the Jewish homeland and the "Palestinians" the way you use it is a bit of historical fiction. Hope that helps.
Jewish people are always spreading nonsense about the Palestinians, the Palestinians were even there in the time of Jesus, and Jews only made up a majority of the people for a shorter time in Palestine's History, before the time of Jesus and after 1948. And even before the time of Jesus there were large parts of Modern day Israel occupied by non Jews.
FearGod
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The Jews came from Europe and they stole the land of the Palestinians, that's a fact.
Search also ancient newspapers that proves the existence of Palestine.
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/s...FilterType=yearRange&rows=20&searchType=basic
Let's get some things straight:
- Jews are descendants of the native people of that land (Canaan/Israel/Palestine/etc.)
The Jewish people grew out of the Canaanite people and culture. They originally were basically Canaanites but then reformed their religious practices and became more monotheistic over time, worshiping Yahweh as their tribal/national deity. The Jews were always living in that land until the Roman Emperor Hadrian kicked them out in 132/5 AD, after one of their many revolts against Greco-Roman rule. It was then that the land of Judea was renamed "Syria Palaestina", from which we get "Palestine". So that name is a Roman creation.
After that, the Jewish people became dispersed around the Roman Empire and, gradually, the world. But they always maintained their hope of returning to the land of their ancestors.
- Arabs and Arab culture are not native to that land.
The Arabs in that land are of two types: They are either the descendants of Jews and Christians who converted to Islam and became Arabized over time, or they are the descendants of Arab invaders. Arabs were primarily nomadic tribes in the Arabian Peninsula (although they did have kingdoms and such, too). They are not native to Canaan/Israel or North Africa. They Arabized those lands due to the rise of Islam and they invaded all those lands, spreading their culture and religion. "Arab" is an ethno-linguistic category, much like "Latino/Hispanic" is. You're an Arab if you are culturally Arab and speak Arabic as your first language, just as you can be Arab through ancestry. But claiming that the Arabs are the native people of North Africa and Israel is as stupid as claiming that the native language of the Incas is Spanish.
- Jews are descendants of the native people of that land (Canaan/Israel/Palestine/etc.)
The Jewish people grew out of the Canaanite people and culture. They originally were basically Canaanites but then reformed their religious practices and became more monotheistic over time, worshiping Yahweh as their tribal/national deity. The Jews were always living in that land until the Roman Emperor Hadrian kicked them out in 132/5 AD, after one of their many revolts against Greco-Roman rule. It was then that the land of Judea was renamed "Syria Palaestina", from which we get "Palestine". So that name is a Roman creation.
After that, the Jewish people became dispersed around the Roman Empire and, gradually, the world. But they always maintained their hope of returning to the land of their ancestors.
- Arabs and Arab culture are not native to that land.
The Arabs in that land are of two types: They are either the descendants of Jews and Christians who converted to Islam and became Arabized over time, or they are the descendants of Arab invaders. Arabs were primarily nomadic tribes in the Arabian Peninsula (although they did have kingdoms and such, too). They are not native to Canaan/Israel or North Africa. They Arabized those lands due to the rise of Islam and they invaded all those lands, spreading their culture and religion. "Arab" is an ethno-linguistic category, much like "Latino/Hispanic" is. You're an Arab if you are culturally Arab and speak Arabic as your first language, just as you can be Arab through ancestry. But claiming that the Arabs are the native people of North Africa and Israel is as stupid as claiming that the native language of the Incas is Spanish.
rosends
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Yeah, you should probably research the Palestine PostThe Jews came from Europe and they stole the land of the Palestinians, that's a fact.
Search also ancient newspapers that proves the existence of Palestine.
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/s...FilterType=yearRange&rows=20&searchType=basic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerusalem_Post
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
rosends
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I LOVE that! You DO know what it says in parentheses, don't you?
You just made my point. Thanks.
I should add that when the Romans renamed Judea as "Syria Palaestina", it was meant to be a sort of insult to the Jews to erase the Jewish connection to that land.
From the Arch of Titus, celebrating the conquering and enslavement of the Jews:
You're welcome.
From the Arch of Titus, celebrating the conquering and enslavement of the Jews:
You're welcome.
JRMcC
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FearGod
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The coin says Palestine in English, Arabic and Hebrew.
It wasn't Israel, but Palestine
rosends
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you should do more research...there are 2 letters in the parentheses. Do you know what they stand for? You should look it up before you say anything else ignorant.
Sapiens sat.
FearGod
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rosends
Well-Known Member
You need more evidences that Palestine existed.
Yup, there it is again, right in the parentheses. You are making yourself into a laughing stock. You are proving my point repeatedly. Please, please, look it up so you can stop embarrassing yourself.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I don't need to know what it says in the parentheses,as it says clearly in Arabic and English (Palestine Pound)