Jerusalem, the world's capital

[Brickjectivity]

Even though the UN appears to support peace in the Middle East that is merely an official position of the UN, but the UN itself isn't really accountable. They might vote against corruption, but its not the same as being accountable. Its all talk, because its an unaccountable organization. We can't put that in charge of anything.

 

[BSM1]

And there we go; equating dislike of Israel and how it treats people with Jew-hatred. How very original. And disappointing. I don't hate Jews. Indeed, I don't know any so how can I hate them? Israel and its government is not the sum of the world's Jews - you might as well ask why I hate Americans because I believe their government is a bunch of obnoxious, meddling buttinskis who cause chaos for their own gain (quick hint: I don't hate Americans).

I do, however, raise an eyebrow at the notion that you believe you and your fellows are entitled to a single strip of land along the eastern Mediterranean because your religions says so, that people who aren't Jews must accept this belief unquestioningly and must adapt their world-view accordingly. E.g. Palestinians must submit because Israel conquered them, because they live on land 'bequeathed' to people who lived thousands of years ago by a tribal deity - as if might makes right or some other barbarous notion.

I'm not singling you out because you're a Jew, or because Israel is mostly populated by Jews - I'm singling you out because your claims are bull**** and - because I don't buy into your religious narrative - I'm in no way obligated to take them seriously.

Methinks someone may protest too much. Also, not a Jew. No.

 

[Juhurka]

Because some deny the holocaust but for me i wasn't there, i only heard about it.

But you have no problems believing that the so called nakba happened even if you weren't there. You selectively believe what you want and no matter how hard you try to look objective, I see your lies. Arabs have been slaughtering Jews even before there was israel and palestine and you know it very well so stop with your bs stories how arabs living next door did not know or see anything they tried to save Jews. The hebron massacre is just one of the examples, the list could go on and on. You are all the same, no matter how evil and murderous arabs behave they will still never admit it because they think they are always right just because they are muslims, you think that you can murder and its allowed because you are a holy muslim so go screw your self and honestly speaking the biggest mistake Jews have ever done is not kick out every single arab after 6 day war (the fruits of liberal thinking) .

 

[BSM1]

How long have you hated Muslims????

Do you hear me ranting incoherently about Mecca or Medina?

 

[JRMcC]

Please cite the violence being done or promoted from Israeli Jews in this thread. Should be easy.

Let's just save the arguing for when Israel starts bombing Palestine again.

Ok that wasn't a fair answer at all. The op started a conversation about a possible constructive way forward regarding this issue and the ones to oppose it most forcefully were those backing the Israeli cause.

 

[Flankerl]

Let's just save the arguing for when Israel starts bombing Palestine again.

Ok that wasn't a fair answer at all. The op started a conversation about a possible constructive way forward regarding this issue and the ones to oppose it most forcefully were those backing the Israeli cause.

A possible constructive way? The UN has a rather large voting bloc that is inherently anti-Israel. With their sheer numbers they regularly pass or block vote after vote in the General Assembly regarding anything concerning Israel.
So who would ensure the safety of Jews and Jewish holy places? UN peacekeeping forces? Where are they from? Sure as hell not from a Muslim country. And if the UN forces in Syria and Lebanon are what would happen in Jerusalem you might as well not send any of them.
Jewish 101 after WW2: Don't expect the non-Jews to come for your rescue.


Its just another way to bring Jerusalem under Muslim control.

 

[psychoslice]

I myself feel that Jerusalem would be the last place on earth to bring peace, with all these belief systems trying to out do each other, when in fact their all wrong.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Methinks someone may protest too much.

Answering your question is 'protesting too much'?

 

[metis]

What makes you think that all of humanity should care about your little blood-soaked dustball of a city? Jerusalem doesn't mean anything to me. Jews, Christians and Muslims can fight over it for eternity for all I care. Just leave the rest of us out of it.

Most Christians that at least I associate with, including my wife, don't take such a parochial view. To me and them, a human life is a human life regardless of where they live.

 

[Lyndon]

Most Christians that at least I associate with, including my wife, don't take such a parochial view. To me and them, a human life is a human life regardless of where they live.

Too bad the IDF doesn't function on that principle!!

 

[JRMcC]

A possible constructive way? The UN has a rather large voting bloc that is inherently anti-Israel. With their sheer numbers they regularly pass or block vote after vote in the General Assembly regarding anything concerning Israel.
So who would ensure the safety of Jews and Jewish holy places? UN peacekeeping forces? Where are they from? Sure as hell not from a Muslim country. And if the UN forces in Syria and Lebanon are what would happen in Jerusalem you might as well not send any of them.
Jewish 101 after WW2: Don't expect the non-Jews to come for your rescue.


Its just another way to bring Jerusalem under Muslim control.

If you're in a room with 200-300 people and almost all of them are saying you're a jerk, you should at least be wondering if you actually might be a jerk.

 

[JRMcC]

A possible constructive way? The UN has a rather large voting bloc that is inherently anti-Israel. With their sheer numbers they regularly pass or block vote after vote in the General Assembly regarding anything concerning Israel.
So who would ensure the safety of Jews and Jewish holy places? UN peacekeeping forces? Where are they from? Sure as hell not from a Muslim country. And if the UN forces in Syria and Lebanon are what would happen in Jerusalem you might as well not send any of them.
Jewish 101 after WW2: Don't expect the non-Jews to come for your rescue.


Its just another way to bring Jerusalem under Muslim control.

Or how about this: I have an extensive criminal record, but that's because the police are biased against me. You can tell because of that extensive criminal record they've given me.

 

[YmirGF]

If you're in a room with 200-300 people and almost all of them are saying you're a jerk, you should at least be wondering if you actually might be a jerk.

Then again, it could also be the 200-300 people who are gathered, like in a good old fashioned stoning, that are the real jerks.


In regards to the OP, once Mecca is open to all people, from all religions, including atheists wandering around sipping a beer or a Harvey Wall-banger, then we can talk about Jerusalem. I don't think I would be inclined to put the UN in charge of a lemonade stand, but that's just me.

Further to this, who gets to decide that the UN has authority over a city that is part of a sovereign nation? That is an extremely dangerous precedent.

This is a dumb idea and should be tossed on the scrap heap of all other dumb ideas.

 

[Flankerl]

If you're in a room with 200-300 people and almost all of them are saying you're a jerk, you should at least be wondering if you actually might be a jerk.

Too bad they are mostly Dictators and Absolute Monarchs.

So I don't really care what they are saying. If you want to stay near them that is of course your choice.

Or how about this: I have an extensive criminal record, but that's because the police are biased against me. You can tell because of that extensive criminal record they've given me.

Again: I don't really care about the opinions of Dictatorships, Absolute Monarchies and Theocracies where people quite often hang from construction cranes because they are "different".

If you do that is of course your choice.

 

[columbus]

Too bad the IDF doesn't function on that principle!!

I cannot imagine why anyone thinks this.

Suppose the situation last year had been reversed. The military power of IDF were Muslim and Gaza populated with Zionists, regularly sending terrorists, digging tunnels to send more, and lobbing rockets. What would Gaza be now?

A wasteland of scorched rubble littered with bodies, that's what. Not 2000 casualties, more like 200,000.

Sorry, but if Israel behaved like Muslims they wouldn't have this problem at all. There would be no Palestinian people left.
Tom

 

[FearGod]

I cannot imagine why anyone thinks this.

Suppose the situation last year had been reversed. The military power of IDF were Muslim and Gaza populated with Zionists, regularly sending terrorists, digging tunnels to send more, and lobbing rockets. What would Gaza be now?

A wasteland of scorched rubble littered with bodies, that's what. Not 2000 casualties, more like 200,000.

Sorry, but if Israel behaved like Muslims they wouldn't have this problem at all. There would be no Palestinian people left.
Tom

Do you want to say all Muslims are dictators by nature and the Israelis are soulful.

Warning graphic

 

[columbus]

Do you want to say all Muslims are dictators by nature and the Israelis are soulful.

No.
Which is why I didn't say any such thing.

But on the balance, yes I do think that Islamic culture is much more dictatorial and violent.
And I noticed that you don't have anything to say about that.
Tom
PS I can't watch video on my phone

 

[YmirGF]

I can't watch video on my phone

You didn't miss much other than horribly mangled bodies.
One can only wonder what would happen to a member of Hezbully or Hamas spoke out against his group. My guess is that person would quickly look like one of the poor folks in the grizzly video.

 

[FearGod]

No.
Which is why I didn't say any such thing.

But on the balance, yes I do think that Islamic culture is much more dictatorial and violent.
And I noticed that you don't have anything to say about that.
Tom
PS I can't watch video on my phone

Muslims conveyed knowledge, prosperity and science to Spain.
Do you think they were dictatorial and violent for helping Europe during the dark ages.

 

[FearGod]

You didn't miss much other than horribly mangled bodies.
One can only wonder what would happen to a member of Hezbully or Hamas spoke out against his group. My guess is that person would quickly look like one of the poor folks in the grizzly video.

Good you tried to find something good. how great man you're.