Ken Brown
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Hi Xchristian, we should, but only by the mouth of two or three reliable or true witnesses, and not by the mouth of false testimony. Do you have reliable or true testimony? KB
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jesus and prophecies .. strange! .. but true
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Hi Xchristian, we should, but only by the mouth of two or three reliable or true witnesses, and not by the mouth of false testimony. Do you have reliable or true testimony? KB
Xchristian
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If there are none of that sort on earth to do the job then the Mosaic verse is useless, right?
I'm sorry, I think you missed that it is true a person must be alive to be judged. So the mosaic verse is still true about living persons.
Xchristian
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Reminder:
The people of GOD have done the job ..
[Dt 18:18][ I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything that I command.]
[Dt 18:19][ Anyone who does not heed the words that the prophet shall speak in my name, I myself will hold accountable.]
[Dt 18:20][ But any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded the prophet to speak?that prophet shall die."]
[Dt 18:21][ You may say to yourself, "How can we recognize a word that the Lord has not spoken?"]
[Dt 18:22][ If a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.]
They said:
[Mk 15:13][ And they cried out again, Crucify him.]
Bless Them
Can you see my brothers and sisters? ... (unless you don't believe Moses, that's a different thing)
The people of GOD have done the job ..
[Dt 18:18][ I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything that I command.]
[Dt 18:19][ Anyone who does not heed the words that the prophet shall speak in my name, I myself will hold accountable.]
[Dt 18:20][ But any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded the prophet to speak?that prophet shall die."]
[Dt 18:21][ You may say to yourself, "How can we recognize a word that the Lord has not spoken?"]
[Dt 18:22][ If a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.]
They said:
[Mk 15:13][ And they cried out again, Crucify him.]
Bless Them
Can you see my brothers and sisters? ... (unless you don't believe Moses, that's a different thing)
I hear you saying the crowd who put 'Jesus' under a death sentence were righteous. Is that correct? He is dead and they are dead. OK?
Xchristian
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They applied a prophecy, obeyed a scared order -that of Moses, now righteous or not, that's a totally different issue. I think a righteous person is a person who doesn't fool people with promises that never come true.
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Hi Xchristian, didn't Yeshua prophesy the following:
Mat 16:20-21
(20) Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.
(21) From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.
Mat 17:22-23
(22) And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men;
(23) and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day." And they were deeply grieved.
Mat 20:17-19
(17) As Jesus was about to go up to Jerusalem, He took the twelve disciples aside by themselves, and on the way He said to them,
(18) "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death,
(19) and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up."
So what's your point? Yeshua prophesied correctly that He would be Killed, and He also prophesied correctly that He would RISE on the third day, thus fulfilling what Moses said. The Apostle Peter even quotes Moses in the fact that Yeshua was RAISED UP by G-d, and He was RAISED up by G-d so that a blessing could occur in TURING sinners FROM their sin:
Act 3:22-23,26
(22) "Moses said, 'THE LORD G-D WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED to everything He says to you.
(23) 'And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'
(26) "For you first, G-d raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."
Can't you see this Xchristian? G-d RAISED UP a Prophet LIKE unto Moses, and He is LIVING, not DEAD as you conjecture. KB
Xchristian
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Actually, there are two prophecies here, not one.
The first is not too far from a suicidal person's last letter to the world.
I don't think the Samurai, or the nine eleven criminals differ much there.
The second is an unfulfilled claim that has not been realised, I am quite sure you understand I can't see that person, and that all those claims of resurrection were by his own people, not by an independent person.
Third and most importantly, ....
Even assuming what you claim to be a realised prophecy, we are talking about unfulfilled prophecies in light of what Moses said.
So, all in all, I am sorry, this is not what answers our question.
Good effort anyway.
Ken Brown
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Hi Xchristian, no, you have forgotten about Moses. Moses WROTE of Yeshua's SUFFERING, DEATH, BURIAL, and THIRD DAY RESURRECTION. Don't you BELIEVE Moses as a valid independent WITNESS? Sorry Xchristian, good try. KB
Xchristian
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can you give me a reference to what's in red of Moses saying in so many words?
thanks
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Hi XXchristian, Numbers 19, the Ritual of the Red Heifer...The Foundation of the Torah, at least from Judaism's standpoint. KB
Xchristian
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Where in numbers 19 please?
I want Moses talking about a person called 'jesus' .. unless it's your own deduction.
(I don't mind if it's you just wanting it to be about jesus, but just give me some solid proof)
P.S:
Even though this topic is about the prophecies that jesus made and that so far none has been realised, and even though I am going to -gods willing- make a new separate thread for prophecies that are twisted to fit jesus of nazareth, and that I will -gods willing- show that none of that is true, I still will make an exception for Mr Brown.
Anyone who knows anything about the Bible knows this is not true. Why do you keep insisting it is correct?
Xchristian
Active Member
None of them has put one single prophecy that came true, all I saw is a suicidal person's pre-suicide note, and another which any one at the time could have predicted (jews being washed out by the Romans) and which even that is not true because we can see the wailing wall still there, a sight for sore eyes.
So, I am sorry but those attempts have all failed like small waves on a granite solid gigantic wall.
That's why our friend Alex has attempted to come up with OT predictions that have nothing to do with jesus and that are even written after the state of affairs have settled (pretty much like saying today: I predict - pretending it is 1890 while it's 2013- that Brazil will dominate world football) Of course we know that is true, but written after Brazil has already dominated the world football.
OK I did look it up. It seems it is not historically correct that it is definitely a section of Herod's temple. Is there a link that you can offer us where there exist definitive evidence that the wall that still stands is part of Herod's temple?
Xchristian
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Here's what I found about the Red Heifer
Hebrew Bible
According to Numbers 19:2: "Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke"
The Book of Numbers stipulates that the animal must not have hairs of any other color, must be in perfect health, and it must not have been used to perform work (Numbers 19:2). The heifer is then ritually slaughtered (Numbers 19:3) and burned outside of the camp (Numbers 19:3–6). Cedar wood, hyssop, and scarlet are added to the fire, and the remaining ashes are placed in a vessel containing pure water (Numbers 19:9).
In order to purify a person who has become ritually contaminated by contact with a corpse, water from the vessel is sprinkled on him, using a bunch of hyssop, on the third and seventh day of the purification process (Numbers 19:18–19).
The priest who performs the ritual then becomes ritually unclean, and must then bathe himself and his clothes in a ritual bath. He is deemed impure until evening.
Red heifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't really think Mr Brown is trying to tell us that jesus is the cow that gets killed ..
or perhaps he is talking about a cow that rises from the death
or worse! .. that jesus was slaughtered!!!
Anything else?
Hebrew Bible
According to Numbers 19:2: "Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke"
The Book of Numbers stipulates that the animal must not have hairs of any other color, must be in perfect health, and it must not have been used to perform work (Numbers 19:2). The heifer is then ritually slaughtered (Numbers 19:3) and burned outside of the camp (Numbers 19:3–6). Cedar wood, hyssop, and scarlet are added to the fire, and the remaining ashes are placed in a vessel containing pure water (Numbers 19:9).
In order to purify a person who has become ritually contaminated by contact with a corpse, water from the vessel is sprinkled on him, using a bunch of hyssop, on the third and seventh day of the purification process (Numbers 19:18–19).
The priest who performs the ritual then becomes ritually unclean, and must then bathe himself and his clothes in a ritual bath. He is deemed impure until evening.
Red heifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't really think Mr Brown is trying to tell us that jesus is the cow that gets killed ..
or perhaps he is talking about a cow that rises from the death
or worse! .. that jesus was slaughtered!!!
Anything else?
Xchristian
Active Member
temple or not temple, jesus wasn't talking about a temple, he was talking about EVERYTHING. call him a deceiver if you wish, but he didn't talk about a temple, he said:
In Luke:
Lk:21:6]["As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down."
EVERYTHING ..
and in Matthew:
[Mt 24:2][Then he asked them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down."]
ALL ...
and in Mark
[Mk 13:2][Then Jesus asked him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down."]
All the buildings
I know it hurts .. but the truth always does .. he made a mistake
I know john tried to lessen it by moving the story and changing it because it hasn't come true, and made the disciples change it, but there's nothing about a temple (only) .. reference or no reference!
Who is this prophesy about? And when 'Jesus' and his friends were looking down at the buildings of the temple did he say the building would never be rebuilt?
Ezekiel 26:14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.
How DO YOU KNOW the wall was not REBUILT?
Ezekiel 26:14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.
How DO YOU KNOW the wall was not REBUILT?
Xchristian
Active Member
savagewind, can you please repeat in other words? I really don't understand.
The wall YOU say "was not thrown down" might have been rebuilt AFTER it was thrown down. How do you know the wall you speak of was not rebuilt since the time of "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down"?